Author Topic: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie (Read 6615 times)

Steven · « **on:** September 04, 2009, 03:17:16 AM »

I had a new BuzzBomb/R drilled up the other night. They're being closed out, so I decided to pick one up before the line fades into the sunset.

I didn't know what to expect, because the ball has not received a lot of love. I'm a big fan of the BuzzBomb core, and the Bleeder cover, which I've experienced on my G-Force Evolution, is durable and performs well.

The first chance I had to throw the ball was on the USBC Masters shot in our PBAX League. On this 39' pattern, the ball gets clean through the heads and generates a surprising amount of recovery. I found almost immediately that I could trust the ball and the read it was giving me on the lanes. I suspect that versatility on a THS will be even greater.

Again, I don't know why this ball generated so little love, but I suspect the BuzzBomb/R will turn out to be one of my favorites. If you've thought at all about this ball, take another look and consider picking one up.

urbanj51 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 10, 2009, 11:59:22 AM »

Inverted,

I disagree. I agree with Trigg that it's just marketing. Every company does it to some degree. Regardless if it's in the bowling world or not. And there are always those who disagree with it. But let it go. Everything is going to always be exaggerated by a company because they want to sell it. Get real.
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mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #32 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:06:41 PM »

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No one really know what they are buying until someone like you gets a hold of one and then posts what conditions it's really for.

Inverted: On the contrary, an advantage with throwing Lane#1 is that you should know almost exactly what you're getting with new Lane#1 equipment.

For the original BB, it was clear in looking at the core and the cover specs that the ball is very similar to the Super Carbide Bomb (SCB). And that's almost exactly what it is -- a reactive version of the SCB.

Same process for the evaluating the BB/R. The Doomsday core produces a heavy predictable roll. The Bleeder cover is a known quantity on the at least the G-Force Evolution. It's really not that hard to figure out what that specific combo should produce.

As we discussed before, the problem is evaluating any a ball based on marketing glossies. I don't care what the company -- that's a recipe for unhappiness. But it's what a lot of bowlers do, and then they piss and moan when the ball doesn't do what they 'think' it should.

BTW, I shot a 706 series with the 'turd' in the first night of league bowling this week. Not earth shattering games by any stretch, but the lanes went south really quick and there were a lot of road kill scores going on around me. In the two weeks I've had the BB/R, the ball has been versatile in on sport and THS shots. I really believe this ball has been given a bad rap by bowlers who didn't take the time to understand what this ball is about. It's not surprising.

Steven, I'm not trying to start anything here I just don't see your thinking here. Lane 1 puts out a new ball using an old core and old cover but new combo. How can we truly know what we should expect considering that formulas are constantly tweeked example Brunswicks PK 18 from the Danger Zone Varies from the PK 18 on the Avalanche? Why shouldnt we expect some truth in marketing of a new item?
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OddBalls · « **Reply #33 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:23:55 PM »

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Inverted,

I disagree. I agree with Trigg that it's just marketing. Every company does it to some degree. Regardless if it's in the bowling world or not. And there are always those who disagree with it. But let it go. Everything is going to always be exaggerated by a company because they want to sell it. Get real.
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20% increase in average..that sound familiar??

More than an exaggeration, a downright lie..

Yes, every company does hype. But Richie is the Obama of BS when it comes to bowling balls..

Steven: You're smart enough to look at all the facts and figures when it comes to buying a ball then realize what conditions it's best suited for. Not all of your brethren do the same..
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Edited on 9/10/2009 12:27 PM

urbanj51 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:31:18 PM »

Wrong. It doesn't have to do with 20% increase in averages. It deals with 20% increase in ball motion/movement/energy stored down the lane.
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Steven · « **Reply #35 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:32:31 PM »

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Lane 1 puts out a new ball using an old core and old cover but new combo. How can we truly know what we should expect considering that formulas are constantly tweaked

Fair observation. Cover formulations do get tweaked, so there isn't a 100% guarantee that even with combos of 'old' covers and cores, you'll know eactly what you're getting.

But I've found the Lane#1 combos to be fairly predictable. Enough where I didn't feel cheated in what I got.

Look at the alternatives. For example, how do you evaluate a completely new cover/core like what's found on the Hammer Jigsaw? A lot is a leap of faith based on the marketing. It might be terrific, or a complete disappointment without a track record to go on.

Contrary to some beliefs, most ball reactions have probably been discovered and produced, so there is nothing wrong with using cover/cores with an established track record. If the combo should produce a reaction you're looking for based on real world past experience, isn't that a good thing?

OddBalls · « **Reply #36 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:34:52 PM »

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Wrong. It doesn't have to do with 20% increase in averages. It deals with 20% increase in ball motion/movement/energy stored down the lane.
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My bad..

20% increase in whatever you want to call it (carry, energy storage, blah,blah ,blah)

10 pin increase in average..

That's their claim (or lie)..
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mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:37:21 PM »

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Lane 1 puts out a new ball using an old core and old cover but new combo. How can we truly know what we should expect considering that formulas are constantly tweaked

Fair observation. Cover formulations do get tweaked, so there isn't a 100% guarantee that even with combos of 'old' covers and cores, you'll know eactly what you're getting.

But I've found the Lane#1 combos to be fairly predictable. Enough where I didn't feel cheated in what I got.

Look at the alternatives. For example, how do you evaluate a completely new cover/core like what's found on the Hammer Jigsaw? A lot is a leap of faith based on the marketing. It might be terrific, or a complete disappointment without a track record to go on.

Contrary to some beliefs, most ball reactions have probably been discovered and produced, so there is nothing wrong with using cover/cores with an established track record. If the combo should produce a reaction you're looking for based on real world past experience, isn't that a good thing?

I agree no one is revolutionizing ball reaction at this point. What we are saying is that while you might be able to look at a combo and say a ball will do this, many and i mean most rely on what a ball is hyped as or wait until there is first hand knowledge of the ball. Most will agree that Lane 1 over hypes products to a degree that is laughable.
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JessN16 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:40:32 PM »

Marketing, 20 percent, CG, whatever -- those are separate issues.

There's an overriding issue that has nothing to do with that: It's called people hiding behind anonymous usernames who like to stir schitt up for their own amusement. I don't care whether you're talking about Lane #1 bowling balls or a website dedicated to lovers of club soda.

There is no excuse -- zero, none, nada, zilch -- for that kind of behavior. To me, it's evidence of any number of things, from lack of intelligence all the way up to bad parenting, depending on who's doing it, the level of viciousness and the frequency. Why do you rarely see people act like that in person? Because they know they'd tote an a**-kicking if they did it. The Internet is a wonderful thing, ain't it?

I have a simple solution for it. If you don't use Lane #1, stay out of their forum. If you don't like Lane #1, one post every year or so to that effect just to establish that you don't like them is good enough. Everyone else can make notes accordingly. And then the haters can get back to staying out of the Lane #1 forum.

Inverted, for every Lane #1 fanboy that gets on your nerves, I can pull a dozen threads off just Page 1 of the Lane #1 forum that were either started or driven by the same people saying the same crap. It's usually one-line zingers (misspelled half the time at that) or the same poking and prodding. Am I supposed to think that's funny? Or even intelligent?

What it reminds me of is that group of kids I went to high school with who were totally socially inept and who no one liked, and after school most of them ended up falling well short of their potential. Sometimes it's the answer to the question, "What would Beavis & Butthead have been like on the Internet?".

Jess

OddBalls · « **Reply #39 on:** September 10, 2009, 12:49:22 PM »

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Inverted, for every Lane #1 fanboy that gets on your nerves, I can pull a dozen threads off just Page 1 of the Lane #1 forum that were either started or driven by the same people saying the same crap. It's usually one-line zingers (misspelled half the time at that) or the same poking and prodding. Am I supposed to think that's funny? Or even intelligent?

Threads often get off track, especially here..

I was just answering the orginal post as to why people didn't go for the bb/r.

Sorry for the tangent posts..
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Steven · « **Reply #40 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:10:04 PM »

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many and i mean most rely on what a ball is hyped as or wait until there is first hand knowledge of the ball.

Relying on how a ball is hyped (from any company) is frankly a dumb thing thing to do. The Brunswick Fury debacle is a front page cover story of where that takes you. If in fact 'most' rely on eye candy descriptions, that's not very flattering towards bowlers. If you're not sure, then it's always better to do the second of what you suggested -- wait until there is first hand knowledge of the ball. There shouldn't be so much urgency for any purchase to jump into a black hole.

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Most will agree that Lane 1 over hypes products to a degree that is laughable.

I think 'most of who will agree' have zero or very limited exposure to Lane#1 and have some kind of axe to grind. Anyone who takes the over the top ads for anything more than attention grabbing effects have other agendas.

Look deeper into the Lane#1 site and all the relevant technical data is there to make informed decisions.

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 10, 2009, 01:27:18 PM »

I have been to the sight for Lane 1 I have issues with the sight but for the level in which they operate it fits the bill. I have obviously been burned by Lane 1 products but nontheless my true issue with Lane 1 is there marketing. While they do have there technical data available to an extent, not all bowlers will understand the information and will see a comment like widening lanes and think I gotta have this hook monster. It's no secret that bowling is in trouble. There are very few bowlers left out there that will research a ball or company. They look to see what is advertised or being thrown in the center or on TV. This is were Lane 1's marketing is questionable at least. They offer up visions of grandure to get the sale then when the product doesnt require 5 more boards it's just marketing.
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Roy Munson · « **Reply #42 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:15:03 PM »

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They offer up visions of grandure to get the sale then when the product doesnt require 5 more boards it's just marketing.
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Did you actually believe that they require 5 more boards or not?

Do you actually believe bowlers believe that?
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mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:18:02 PM »

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They offer up visions of grandure to get the sale then when the product doesnt require 5 more boards it's just marketing.
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"Another day will bring a different result"
"Pick your battles because stressing over things will not change an outcome"

Did you actually believe that they require 5 more boards or not?

Do you actually believe bowlers believe that?
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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."

***** Looking for Pearl Cherry C/2 *****
***** Looking for Pearl Cherry Bomb *****

I was simply using that as an example like 20% more hook and 10 pins to your average. No there to argue symantecs.
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Roy Munson · « **Reply #44 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:36:03 PM »

I myself is a Lane #1 fan but I don't buy into those ads
nor their ads bother me.

When I read through the RESULTS my fellow lane #1 bowlers give
then I decide for myself, not because of the ads nor visions of grandeur,
if the ball will fit my style.

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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."

***** Looking for Pearl Cherry C/2 *****
***** Looking for Pearl Cherry Bomb *****

mmcfarland300 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 10, 2009, 02:41:28 PM »

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I myself is a Lane #1 fan but I don't buy into those ads
nor their ads bother me.

When I read through the RESULTS my fellow lane #1 bowlers give
then I decide for myself, not because of the ads nor visions of grandeur,
if the ball will fit my style.

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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."

***** Looking for Pearl Cherry C/2 *****
***** Looking for Pearl Cherry Bomb *****

Thats my point we are not in the majority here. Most bowlers now do not have the knowledge when selecting equipment, most do not visit ballreviews or any other bowling forum.
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