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Steven

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A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« on: September 04, 2009, 03:17:16 AM »
I had a new BuzzBomb/R drilled up the other night. They're being closed out, so I decided to pick one up before the line fades into the sunset.

I didn't know what to expect, because the ball has not received a lot of love. I'm a big fan of the BuzzBomb core, and the Bleeder cover, which I've experienced on my G-Force Evolution, is durable and performs well.

The first chance I had to throw the ball was on the USBC Masters shot in our PBAX League. On this 39' pattern, the ball gets clean through the heads and generates a surprising amount of recovery. I found almost immediately that I could trust the ball and the read it was giving me on the lanes. I suspect that versatility on a THS will be even greater.

Again, I don't know why this ball generated so little love, but I suspect the BuzzBomb/R will turn out to be one of my favorites. If you've thought at all about this ball, take another look and consider picking one up.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2009, 02:51:11 PM »
MM300: I honestly don't know how anyone can be so gullible as to literally be sucked into some of the Lane#1 ads. Rational bowlers know you don't need 5 more boards on a lane for a Dynamo. Richie's letter to the USBC about widening the lanes 5 boards was for attention and a laugh -- nothing more.  

 
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I have obviously been burned by Lane 1 products but nontheless my true issue with Lane 1 is there marketing.


If you don't mind sharing, what Lane#1 products did you feel burned by?
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2009, 03:02:07 PM »
Steven i sent you a PM as we are off topic.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2009, 03:10:31 PM »
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MM300: I honestly don't know how anyone can be so gullible as to literally be sucked into some of the Lane#1 ads. Rational bowlers know you don't need 5 more boards on a lane for a Dynamo. Richie's letter to the USBC about widening the lanes 5 boards was for attention and a laugh -- nothing more.  

 
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I have obviously been burned by Lane 1 products but nontheless my true issue with Lane 1 is there marketing.


If you don't mind sharing, what Lane#1 products did you feel burned by?


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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2009, 03:33:30 PM »
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 This is my last word on the subject. You guys bore me to tears.


CRD: You pretty much exited my thread earlier with your above words of wisdom. What happened? Is it being a certified flake, having the attention span of a Gerbil, or looking for kinship where none exists?

Since you've tripped back into the Lane#1 forum, you must have something technical to share worth listening to. What a concept if it has to do with the BB/R, the actual reason for this thread. It's never too late to turn a new leaf.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2009, 05:32:10 PM »

kinda like . . . er . . . stalking
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2009, 06:28:02 PM »
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kinda like . . . er . . . stalking  


Roy: Creepy isn't it. Kind of conjures up images of a mentally deranged middle aged guy in a trench coat lurking in the bushes outside your house.

You have to understand that CRD long ago settled for bowling mediocrity. He never met his potential, simply accepting mind numbing handicap leagues and low level pot games for his competitive jollies.

He seems to embrace bowling under achievement. Or maybe he's clinging to a raging bitterness of settling for less than it could have been. It doesn't matter because I have no interest in understanding his psychotic phobias. Whatever the reason, he's incredibly hostile towards anyone who strives for improvement. He channels that hostility into a continuous pursuit of trolling, stalking, and just plain being foul.  

I'm holding out hope he'll offer some insights regarding the BB/R, or anything bowling for that matter. As I said before, it's never too late for him to turn a new leaf.

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2009, 08:31:55 AM »
Before this topic took off on a tangent, I did give my opinion of the BB/R, and since then it has revolved around the marketing of the ball.  Using my own observations and comparing stats of the ball, I figured that the BB/R would fit my game nicely and it has done so...the ball's marketing (as all balls by all manufacturer's) was a bit over the top but common sense came into play...if you are not sure, talk to your local pro shop and get their expert opinion before making a decision about a ball.

On the marketing topic, I have some experience on this as I did a lot of the marketing slogans for InSite Bowling Products.  The marketing of a ball is meant to grab your attention, so it has to be "over the top"...for instance the marketing for the SuperNatural claimed that the ball was so aggressive that it would "start hooking in your back swing"...did it really do this?  Of course not! But it did grab your attention!  That is all that marketing is meant to do...you have to bring some common sense into the equation and think for yourselves...enough said on this already!

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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2009, 10:48:34 AM »
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The marketing of a ball is meant to grab your attention, so it has to be "over the top"...for instance the marketing for the SuperNatural claimed that the ball was so aggressive that it would "start hooking in your back swing"...did it really do this? Of course not! But it did grab your attention! That is all that marketing is meant to do...you have to bring some common sense into the equation and think for yourselves


Paul: Very well said. Once any company gets your attention, it is a matter of using personal common sense and thinking for yourself. Practice this and you'll rarely feel duped or otherwise make bad decisions.

Going back to the BB/R, I've been trying to understand scenarios where a bowler wouldn't like it. Stuff outside the normal using the ball on the wrong condition, etc. One scenario that comes to mind is having a lower rev release. Because the Doomsday core is early and heavy rolling, the BB/R (like any of the BuzzBombs) is going to roll like a 'turd' if you can't get at least medium revs into it.

Due to cronic tendonitis I'm forced into using brace, but for the heck of it I took the thing off for a few shots to see how the BB/R would roll. With lower revs, the roll of the ball was terrible. The BB/R was done in the midlane and had no drive into the pins. However, with some revs the ball comes to life and is a completely different animal. Unfortunately, we don't always get the extra relevant information.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2009, 11:49:08 AM »
Perfectly well said.  Marketing is marketing no matter whawt product you're talking about.

For the Lane 1 marketing haters, grow a pair and grow up.  It's business dudes.  Seriously.  Thought if you were grown enough you would realize that.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2009, 12:13:33 PM »
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The marketing of a ball is meant to grab your attention, so it has to be "over the top"...for instance the marketing for the SuperNatural claimed that the ball was so aggressive that it would "start hooking in your back swing"...did it really do this? Of course not! But it did grab your attention! That is all that marketing is meant to do...you have to bring some common sense into the equation and think for yourselves


Paul: Very well said. Once any company gets your attention, it is a matter of using personal common sense and thinking for yourself. Practice this and you'll rarely feel duped or otherwise make bad decisions.

Going back to the BB/R, I've been trying to understand scenarios where a bowler wouldn't like it. Stuff outside the normal using the ball on the wrong condition, etc. One scenario that comes to mind is having a lower rev release. Because the Doomsday core is early and heavy rolling, the BB/R (like any of the BuzzBombs) is going to roll like a 'turd' if you can't get at least medium revs into it.

Due to cronic tendonitis I'm forced into using brace, but for the heck of it I took the thing off for a few shots to see how the BB/R would roll. With lower revs, the roll of the ball was terrible. The BB/R was done in the midlane and had no drive into the pins. However, with some revs the ball comes to life and is a completely different animal. Unfortunately, we don't always get the extra relevant information.



I dont understand,if you have low revs you would think a low rg core would be a good choice.
I have a buddy who just gave me one of these bomb/r's as he hated it with his low rev stroker style.I've tried it and thought it was a nice rolling ball that hooked in the mid lane and had a controllable roll in the back but I have high revs.I'm happy with my current set up and was not looking for another ball so I thought I could trade it for something else for my buddy,what type of ball would be a good fit for a low rev stroker?
on the other hand I just may end up keeping it as there's not much intrest for this piece.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2009, 01:01:17 PM »
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I don't understand,if you have low revs you would think a low rg core would be a good choice.


One of the problems with low revs and a low RG core (and low to medium speed) is that the ball can tend to stop skidding too soon, and consequently, start to hook too soon. With low revs, whatever hook generated tends to be weak and not enter the pocket at the optimal angle.

The above statement is a general case. If the low rev player has high speed (19-20+ mph), then the low RG core can work to his advantage.

It sounds like your buddy would be happier with a higher RG piece that will get cleaner through the heads and still have some energy on the backend. There are lots of balls in this category to pick from. Within Lane#1, a good choice would be the Dynamo X2.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2009, 07:33:53 PM »
One thing to also be careful of when it comes to low RG equipment and low rev bowlers(and even higher rev bowlers) is how the ball is drilled with regards to a high track bowler. A low rev bowler with high tracks which puts the ball into an earlier roll which already happens with low RG equipment. Sometimes the drill is to strong on the ball and both these forces make it not perform as desired. Have seen to many bowlers with your friends style with a very low RG ball like the Pin Slasher with a  stacked leverage drilling(most hook but makes the ball roll earlier) and say the ball does not work. Get them to put the pin over the ring or above the brige and then they are happy. Just saying that low RG is one factor in ball reaction with lower rev bowlers.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2009, 08:08:49 PM »
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For instance, everyone raves about the Silver Diamond as one of the best balls made by Lane 1.  I on the other hand, hate it.  I jumped on top of one the first chance I got.  And I was sorely disappointed.  That ball is worth less than the XXXL Plastic ball.

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The XXXL is worth more than any other Lane #1 ball.
It's the only ball I will not get rid of. It's the only ball I would be completely lost without. Allow me to explain. You can get the same result as any other Lane #1 ball by throwing something from another company. You will be hard pressed to find another plastic ball on the market that performs at the same level as the XXXL. The XXXL is money in the hands of those who know when and how to use it.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2009, 10:29:23 PM »
I don't understand why people who respond get so emotional about whether or not
they like a bowling ball or company.  You either like it and buy it or not.  Why do you care what everyone else thinks of it--do you really need the ego
reinforcement?  It certainly doesn't take name calling to get your point across.  That just shows lack of vocabulary or communication skills.
  Now re: Lane 1--I believe that they used to make great equipment and for me
was worth the extra money.  Lately, the diamond core has run its possible course and the company relies on whoever pours their stuff to come up with new
formulations to produce anything new.  Untill this changes, no more Lane 1 for me.
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Re: A Not So Oldie, But Goodie
« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2009, 10:30:13 PM »
thanks for the advice Steven/Gazoo.I have a pin up tropical I'm going to give my buddy just to see what happens.I'll do a little cover tweaking before he gets it but it should show some backend movement for him.
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