Post by: Steven on September 04, 2009, 03:17:16 AM
I didn't know what to expect, because the ball has not received a lot of love. I'm a big fan of the BuzzBomb core, and the Bleeder cover, which I've experienced on my G-Force Evolution, is durable and performs well.
The first chance I had to throw the ball was on the USBC Masters shot in our PBAX League. On this 39' pattern, the ball gets clean through the heads and generates a surprising amount of recovery. I found almost immediately that I could trust the ball and the read it was giving me on the lanes. I suspect that versatility on a THS will be even greater.
Again, I don't know why this ball generated so little love, but I suspect the BuzzBomb/R will turn out to be one of my favorites. If you've thought at all about this ball, take another look and consider picking one up.
Post by: OddBalls on September 04, 2009, 11:28:18 AM
I tried this out on the Fury. I had the solid and it was really condition specific. Got the pearl and it wasn't very verstile either..
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Post by: Steven on September 04, 2009, 11:44:34 AM
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I suspect because the Buzzbomb (for the most part) was a complete POS in most peoples hands. So, if the solid was a bomb, then the pearl would be better?
Here we go......
A few vocal critics of the BuzzBomb on Ballreviews doesn't make the ball a complete "POS". The bottom line is that the original performs as advertised if thrown with decent technique on the right conditions. I'm not sure anything would be accomplished going back down that road.
I'm giving you honest feedback on my first experience with the BuzzBomb/R. The performance was good enough to clean up in Sweepers and cover a good piece of the BuzzBomb/R purchase price. Maybe when I throw it on a THS, I'll find some warts, and I'll report those if I do. But right now, my feeling this is going to be a much more versatile version of the original.
On edit, I found Joe Cerar's review to be very accurate and reflective of my own experience:
http://www.bowlersjournal.com/no_holes_barred/display_article.php?id=300
Particularly, the following two observations:
"The BuzzBomb/R delivered as promised — it goes long and comes very hard off the dry.....the BuzzBomb/R revved very quickly and easily, and earned a very quick response time rating off the dry stuff."
"Bowlers will undoubtedly use the BB/R when the pattern begins to deteriorate a bit. We needed to find dry boards for this beast to strut its battleship grey mettle. We enjoyed the rev pattern and the fact we could send it and bend it and be rewarded with excellent pin carry even on releases that were less than our best. This forgiveness is what a powerful core/cover combo should deliver."
Edited on 9/4/2009 11:54 AM
Post by: dougb on September 04, 2009, 12:00:08 PM
The balls were drilled by the same shop and in OOB condition. These guys drill all our equipment and know how to tailor for our styles. We actually have a lot of people throwing Lane #1 in our house and some swear by the Buzzbomb core.
Post by: OddBalls on September 04, 2009, 12:47:13 PM
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I suspect because the Buzzbomb (for the most part) was a complete POS in most peoples hands. So, if the solid was a bomb, then the pearl would be better?
Here we go......
A few vocal critics of the BuzzBomb on Ballreviews doesn't make the ball a complete "POS". The bottom line is that the original performs as advertised if thrown with decent technique on the right conditions. I'm not sure anything would be accomplished going back down that road.
I'm giving you honest feedback on my first experience with the BuzzBomb/R. The performance was good enough to clean up in Sweepers and cover a good piece of the BuzzBomb/R purchase price. Maybe when I throw it on a THS, I'll find some warts, and I'll report those if I do. But right now, my feeling this is going to be a much more versatile version of the original.
On edit, I found Joe Cerar's review to be very accurate and reflective of my own experience:
http://www.bowlersjournal.com/no_holes_barred/display_article.php?id=300
Particularly, the following two observations:
"The BuzzBomb/R delivered as promised — it goes long and comes very hard off the dry.....the BuzzBomb/R revved very quickly and easily, and earned a very quick response time rating off the dry stuff."
"Bowlers will undoubtedly use the BB/R when the pattern begins to deteriorate a bit. We needed to find dry boards for this beast to strut its battleship grey mettle. We enjoyed the rev pattern and the fact we could send it and bend it and be rewarded with excellent pin carry even on releases that were less than our best. This forgiveness is what a powerful core/cover combo should deliver."
Edited on 9/4/2009 11:54 AM
Again, I don't know why this ball generated so little love, but I suspect the BuzzBomb/R will turn out to be one of my favorites. If you've thought at all about this ball, take another look and consider picking one up.
Really wasn't interested in what you thought of it or what the review was. I was simply answering this part of it.
You asked, I gave you my thoughts considering the less than steller reviews it got by even the hard core lane one guys..
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Post by: Steven on September 04, 2009, 01:50:30 PM
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You asked, I gave you my thoughts considering the less than stellar reviews it got by even the hard core lane one guys..
I'm trying to remember any less than stellar reviews from 'hard core lane one guys' who at least have some soft THS credentials. If you can dig a few up, please share.
Regardless, the pearl has the midlane characteristics of the original but much more jump off the dry. Not a flippy jump, but a hard and continuos move. That makes it a good candidate for PBA/Sport patterns where you're trying to navigate breakpoint on the backends without having the benefit of THS bumpers.
Post by: Steven on September 04, 2009, 03:21:49 PM
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I'll say one thing, you sure our consistent in the ways you alienate people.
From the man who has more BR skid marks across his forehead than anyone else in recent memory, you should be the expert on the concept of alienation.
I guess the following you recently said to Easy10pins:
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Yeah, and unless you are under undue duress, nobody forces you to bowl in handicap leagues. Of course, from that monster series you listed you are probably right where you belong.
was just your expert way of making new friends on the board. LOL....You're in no position to pass judgement on anybody.
BTW, if you have some experience with the balls being discussed, please share. Otherwise find another playpen to troll in.
Post by: urbanj51 on September 05, 2009, 09:18:16 AM
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 05, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
But the koolaid still tastes good!! haha
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 05, 2009, 01:28:50 PM
Sorry Steven, but I have to agree with everyone. I cannot say that the Doomsday core was a flop because the Agent Orange was just an absolute monster.
However, I did not like the Buzzbomb, nor did I like the BB/R. Both did not impress me. BB/R was squirty at best, and BB was just not reliable. Smooth rolling, but not reliable in the long run. Didn't react as it should, and then sometimes over-reacted. Almost like the BB/R
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Post by: Steven on September 05, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
No ball on the planet is universally loved by everyone. And contrary to some of the troll droppings heard around here, I haven't universally loved all Lane#1 equipment. I didn't match up well with either of the Dirty Bombs, and the Enriched Uranium was very condition specific. In all three cases, I think it was the drillings I went with. I ended up relegating these balls to practice arsenal status.
I posted on the BB/R because my first experience with the ball was great. Honestly way above expectations since the ball didn't get a whole lot of press. Unless I was tricked by my first BB/R experience, this is a ball that a lot of bowlers would do well with.
Because it's being phased out, there are deals to be had. Read reviews by testers who throw lots of different equipment. I posted just one above. Look at some of the YouTube videos. The BB/R is a ball to be strongly considered if you have an open mind about equipment.
Post by: urbanj51 on September 05, 2009, 03:04:53 PM
For instance, everyone raves about the Silver Diamond as one of the best balls made by Lane 1. I on the other hand, hate it. I jumped on top of one the first chance I got. And I was sorely disappointed. That ball is worth less than the XXXL Plastic ball.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on September 05, 2009, 03:49:51 PM
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You are correct. I agree. Certain balls don't match up with certain individuals. Case in point. I love the AO, but do not care for BB/R or BB solid as much. Both can be used and they were great at points for me, but not always.
Urban is correct here. For example, I too had the BB/R and it didn't perform well for me at all, but the Agent Orange became the first ball out of my bag in the summer league this summer and still is. I love that ball and it's hit/pin carry.
Another example of balls matching up or not matching up to people is the Super Nova XP. A lot of people loved that ball and many that disposed of theirs to move on to newer equipment now wish they had kept their XP.
Upon hearing others love for this ball, I hunted around and found one in 14# which is what I throw. I bought it, drilled it, and it turned out to be a total flop for me. Big mistake....so I am thinking about disposing of it rather than plug and redrill to a different lay-out to see if that would help and take the chance it still might fail. Hard to let a ball go that is in pristine condition with not a scratch or anything and less than 5 games on it.
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Post by: JessN16 on September 05, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
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A pearl version of a turd is still a turd..
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Actually, that's not close to being correct. They're two different balls. If your statement were true, we could have a long discussion about why the Radical Inferno is a turd for most and therefore all other Infernos must automatically be turds. It isn't true for them and it's not true for the Doomsday-core balls, which includes the AO.
I've not thrown a BuzzBomb. Perhaps I'd like the ball, but I have no need for one at this time so I won't buy one. I do have the BuzzBomb/R, though, and that ball is a winner. However, that in no way relates to how good the original or the AO is or isn't. Each ball must be judged on its own merits.
Jess
Post by: Steven on September 05, 2009, 07:18:57 PM
Given all the love for the Agent Orange, perceived 'problems' with the BuzzBomb line can't be with the shared Dooms Day Bomb core. So there must be issues some bowlers have with BB and BB/R covers. Having both, that doesn't make any sense. I've had my BB from 500 to 1000 w/polish, and the cover takes alterations extremely well. I just got the BB/R, but my prior experience with the Bleeder pearl cover says it's also very tunable. Again, these 'perceived' problems don't make sense if you know how to adjust these BB covers for the appropriate conditions.
BTW, as for the following:
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we could have a long discussion about why the Radical Inferno is a turd for most and therefore all other Infernos must automatically be turds.
You can't have a discussion about turds in the Inferno line without talking about the Blazing Inferno. Brunswick absolutely failured in trying to create a higher RG Inferno. It got so bad that Brunswick tried to claim all the negative press resulted from a bad batch that escaped from the factory. Yea, and I have some great ocean front property in Arizona to sell you....
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Post by: Gazoo on September 05, 2009, 09:00:41 PM
happens to Lane1, is worse than any other company? A bowler can take any ball from any company and make it work. This hatred for Lane1 has to stop.
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Post by: REVerse on September 06, 2009, 10:40:07 AM
quote:Then hit the frickin' road, Cracker! Steven's posts are much more entertaining than your drivel anyway. Like him or not- He doesn't hide behind multiple aliases. Jeesh...
As a matter of fact, this whole site is pretty much useless. From the paranoid conspiracy freaks on the non-bowling threads, the nutcases wondering what the new release from a company is going to be two days after they just put out new releases, to people wondering what microfiber towel is best it's a total joke. How many clowns from here would actually contribute to a forum that would compare which bottled water is better. That is basically what this site has become. Steven just epitomizes what this site has become. Pseudo-intellectual posts on subjects that just don't matter. He is truly not worth the two minutes it took to type this. This is my last word on the subject. You guys bore me to tears.
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Post by: OddBalls on September 08, 2009, 03:28:44 PM
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A pearl version of a turd is still a turd..
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c(')(') here bunny bunny bunny....
Actually, that's not close to being correct. They're two different balls. If your statement were true, we could have a long discussion about why the Radical Inferno is a turd for most and therefore all other Infernos must automatically be turds. It isn't true for them and it's not true for the Doomsday-core balls, which includes the AO.
I've not thrown a BuzzBomb. Perhaps I'd like the ball, but I have no need for one at this time so I won't buy one. I do have the BuzzBomb/R, though, and that ball is a winner. However, that in no way relates to how good the original or the AO is or isn't. Each ball must be judged on its own merits.
Jess
So are you saying the Buzzbomb/R and the Buzzbomb are two completely different balls and the BB/R is NOT the pearl version of the BB??
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 03:43:12 PM
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Post by: OddBalls on September 08, 2009, 03:45:26 PM
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Yes. That's correct. The pearl version of the BB was the AO. BB/R was a pearl bleeder cover, yes. But not the actual pearl version of the BB.
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Well, there you go....
Then they should have given it a different name and not scare off the customers..
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 03:52:10 PM
But I see what you're sayin.....
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Post by: Steven on September 08, 2009, 04:10:35 PM
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So are you saying the Buzzbomb/R and the Buzzbomb are two completely different balls and the BB/R is NOT the pearl version of the BB??
Both the BB/R and AO are pearl versions of the original BB. However, the pearl cover formulations are different.
The Pearl Bleeder on my BB/R came labeled as polished 654 grit. At least that's what it said on the box. It's a duller pearl closer in appearance to the AO cover than the shinny Pearl Bleeder on the Evolution.
I found the BB/R cover to be grabby for a pearl. It's reacts much like the original in the mid-lane with more reaction off the dry.
Post by: urbanj51 on September 08, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
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Post by: Steven on September 08, 2009, 04:22:44 PM
Post by: urbanj51 on September 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
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Post by: triggerman on September 10, 2009, 07:50:19 AM
In the case of the ball the BB/R I did not have great sucess with it, but honestly the drilling was wrong for me, I am getting another to try again. The BB for me was an awesome ball, have a teammate that had one it got chewed up by lane machine last year, guess what he is replacing it with another, no questions asked it was the ball he wanted, I understand the inverted's and Nicanors did not like it, it is their personal opinion and I respect that, but for certain users to come in and continually bring up information like that (and personally I can show you 10 users for every one they bring that loved the ball vs hated it) just to "stir the pot" is wrong, and then to say its the lane 1 guys who cause this sheet. jsut like every other forum on this site, there are some very opinionated people and they have not trouble voicing it, I can and will when the time is right. TO base a ball purchase off ot non users stirring the pot, is not a very good reason
please note, this was not done to start any disagreement, but only to voice my opinion of the crap that has been going on in this forum for far too long
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I have read every comment in this thread. How insulting. Sorry I did. Didn't learn a thing, except I won't be back here if that's the way it always is.
Why is it necessary to do all the name calling? Why argue about what a ball has for a coverstock or weightblock? Go to the manufacturers website and study it! Call the company and ask to speak to a ball/sales rep. or whatever. Gather correct information, make an effort to post accurate information that will help other BR members.
I started using this website several years ago to learn more about bowling. Ball technology is interesting and sometimes confusing. We should be able to rely on people to post helpful, useful, accurate information here on this site. It was started by people who love bowling, as we all do.
When and IF I ever buy another Lane1 ball, I would have to think long and hard about sharing any information about it in this forum! MAN!
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Post by: triggerman on September 10, 2009, 08:57:12 AM
Every manufacturer is secretive of their coverstocks, I can tell you the majority of the new global poured balls for lane 1 are superflex baaed, said it a number of times, the dynamo, who knows, but I have been told it is s75, but what is S75? probably superflex based as well
My comments werent directed at you, you do have an opinion, and whether i agree or not, I still respect it, but the problem with this forum lies in the Cool rooking daddys, the cgsucks et al! I take it in stride since I have knowledge of most of those guys and in the real world are not who that convey here
and if this is about lane 1 marketing, who cares, its marketing, all marketing is laced with embellishments, thats way its marketing, its there to entice, you know that
I throw their stuff cause it rolls well for me, nothing more nothing less
no one forces anyone to read this forum, my problem lies with those people that come in to stir the pot, I dont consider you one of them as you have had lane 1 gear and some that you really like and some that you really hate, but your opinion is based upon experience not pot stirring
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Post by: Steven on September 10, 2009, 11:55:05 AM
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No one really know what they are buying until someone like you gets a hold of one and then posts what conditions it's really for.
Inverted: On the contrary, an advantage with throwing Lane#1 is that you should know almost exactly what you're getting with new Lane#1 equipment.
For the original BB, it was clear in looking at the core and the cover specs that the ball is very similar to the Super Carbide Bomb (SCB). And that's almost exactly what it is -- a reactive version of the SCB.
Same process for the evaluating the BB/R. The Doomsday core produces a heavy predictable roll. The Bleeder cover is a known quantity on the at least the G-Force Evolution. It's really not that hard to figure out what that specific combo should produce.
As we discussed before, the problem is evaluating any a ball based on marketing glossies. I don't care what the company -- that's a recipe for unhappiness. But it's what a lot of bowlers do, and then they piss and moan when the ball doesn't do what they 'think' it should.
BTW, I shot a 706 series with the 'turd' in the first night of league bowling this week. Not earth shattering games by any stretch, but the lanes went south really quick and there were a lot of road kill scores going on around me. In the two weeks I've had the BB/R, the ball has been versatile in on sport and THS shots. I really believe this ball has been given a bad rap by bowlers who didn't take the time to understand what this ball is about. It's not surprising.
Post by: urbanj51 on September 10, 2009, 11:59:22 AM
I disagree. I agree with Trigg that it's just marketing. Every company does it to some degree. Regardless if it's in the bowling world or not. And there are always those who disagree with it. But let it go. Everything is going to always be exaggerated by a company because they want to sell it. Get real.
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on September 10, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
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No one really know what they are buying until someone like you gets a hold of one and then posts what conditions it's really for.
Inverted: On the contrary, an advantage with throwing Lane#1 is that you should know almost exactly what you're getting with new Lane#1 equipment.
For the original BB, it was clear in looking at the core and the cover specs that the ball is very similar to the Super Carbide Bomb (SCB). And that's almost exactly what it is -- a reactive version of the SCB.
Same process for the evaluating the BB/R. The Doomsday core produces a heavy predictable roll. The Bleeder cover is a known quantity on the at least the G-Force Evolution. It's really not that hard to figure out what that specific combo should produce.
As we discussed before, the problem is evaluating any a ball based on marketing glossies. I don't care what the company -- that's a recipe for unhappiness. But it's what a lot of bowlers do, and then they piss and moan when the ball doesn't do what they 'think' it should.
BTW, I shot a 706 series with the 'turd' in the first night of league bowling this week. Not earth shattering games by any stretch, but the lanes went south really quick and there were a lot of road kill scores going on around me. In the two weeks I've had the BB/R, the ball has been versatile in on sport and THS shots. I really believe this ball has been given a bad rap by bowlers who didn't take the time to understand what this ball is about. It's not surprising.
Steven, I'm not trying to start anything here I just don't see your thinking here. Lane 1 puts out a new ball using an old core and old cover but new combo. How can we truly know what we should expect considering that formulas are constantly tweeked example Brunswicks PK 18 from the Danger Zone Varies from the PK 18 on the Avalanche? Why shouldnt we expect some truth in marketing of a new item?
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Post by: OddBalls on September 10, 2009, 12:23:55 PM
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Inverted,
I disagree. I agree with Trigg that it's just marketing. Every company does it to some degree. Regardless if it's in the bowling world or not. And there are always those who disagree with it. But let it go. Everything is going to always be exaggerated by a company because they want to sell it. Get real.
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20% increase in average..that sound familiar??
More than an exaggeration, a downright lie..
Yes, every company does hype. But Richie is the Obama of BS when it comes to bowling balls..
Steven: You're smart enough to look at all the facts and figures when it comes to buying a ball then realize what conditions it's best suited for. Not all of your brethren do the same..
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 10, 2009, 12:31:18 PM
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Post by: Steven on September 10, 2009, 12:32:31 PM
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Lane 1 puts out a new ball using an old core and old cover but new combo. How can we truly know what we should expect considering that formulas are constantly tweaked
Fair observation. Cover formulations do get tweaked, so there isn't a 100% guarantee that even with combos of 'old' covers and cores, you'll know eactly what you're getting.
But I've found the Lane#1 combos to be fairly predictable. Enough where I didn't feel cheated in what I got.
Look at the alternatives. For example, how do you evaluate a completely new cover/core like what's found on the Hammer Jigsaw? A lot is a leap of faith based on the marketing. It might be terrific, or a complete disappointment without a track record to go on.
Contrary to some beliefs, most ball reactions have probably been discovered and produced, so there is nothing wrong with using cover/cores with an established track record. If the combo should produce a reaction you're looking for based on real world past experience, isn't that a good thing?
Post by: OddBalls on September 10, 2009, 12:34:52 PM
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Wrong. It doesn't have to do with 20% increase in averages. It deals with 20% increase in ball motion/movement/energy stored down the lane.
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My bad..
20% increase in whatever you want to call it (carry, energy storage, blah,blah ,blah)
10 pin increase in average..
That's their claim (or lie)..
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on September 10, 2009, 12:37:21 PM
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Lane 1 puts out a new ball using an old core and old cover but new combo. How can we truly know what we should expect considering that formulas are constantly tweaked
Fair observation. Cover formulations do get tweaked, so there isn't a 100% guarantee that even with combos of 'old' covers and cores, you'll know eactly what you're getting.
But I've found the Lane#1 combos to be fairly predictable. Enough where I didn't feel cheated in what I got.
Look at the alternatives. For example, how do you evaluate a completely new cover/core like what's found on the Hammer Jigsaw? A lot is a leap of faith based on the marketing. It might be terrific, or a complete disappointment without a track record to go on.
Contrary to some beliefs, most ball reactions have probably been discovered and produced, so there is nothing wrong with using cover/cores with an established track record. If the combo should produce a reaction you're looking for based on real world past experience, isn't that a good thing?
I agree no one is revolutionizing ball reaction at this point. What we are saying is that while you might be able to look at a combo and say a ball will do this, many and i mean most rely on what a ball is hyped as or wait until there is first hand knowledge of the ball. Most will agree that Lane 1 over hypes products to a degree that is laughable.
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Post by: JessN16 on September 10, 2009, 12:40:32 PM
There's an overriding issue that has nothing to do with that: It's called people hiding behind anonymous usernames who like to stir schitt up for their own amusement. I don't care whether you're talking about Lane #1 bowling balls or a website dedicated to lovers of club soda.
There is no excuse -- zero, none, nada, zilch -- for that kind of behavior. To me, it's evidence of any number of things, from lack of intelligence all the way up to bad parenting, depending on who's doing it, the level of viciousness and the frequency. Why do you rarely see people act like that in person? Because they know they'd tote an a**-kicking if they did it. The Internet is a wonderful thing, ain't it?
I have a simple solution for it. If you don't use Lane #1, stay out of their forum. If you don't like Lane #1, one post every year or so to that effect just to establish that you don't like them is good enough. Everyone else can make notes accordingly. And then the haters can get back to staying out of the Lane #1 forum.
Inverted, for every Lane #1 fanboy that gets on your nerves, I can pull a dozen threads off just Page 1 of the Lane #1 forum that were either started or driven by the same people saying the same crap. It's usually one-line zingers (misspelled half the time at that) or the same poking and prodding. Am I supposed to think that's funny? Or even intelligent?
What it reminds me of is that group of kids I went to high school with who were totally socially inept and who no one liked, and after school most of them ended up falling well short of their potential. Sometimes it's the answer to the question, "What would Beavis & Butthead have been like on the Internet?".
Jess
Post by: OddBalls on September 10, 2009, 12:49:22 PM
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Inverted, for every Lane #1 fanboy that gets on your nerves, I can pull a dozen threads off just Page 1 of the Lane #1 forum that were either started or driven by the same people saying the same crap. It's usually one-line zingers (misspelled half the time at that) or the same poking and prodding. Am I supposed to think that's funny? Or even intelligent?
Threads often get off track, especially here..
I was just answering the orginal post as to why people didn't go for the bb/r.
Sorry for the tangent posts..
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Post by: Steven on September 10, 2009, 01:10:04 PM
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many and i mean most rely on what a ball is hyped as or wait until there is first hand knowledge of the ball.
Relying on how a ball is hyped (from any company) is frankly a dumb thing thing to do. The Brunswick Fury debacle is a front page cover story of where that takes you. If in fact 'most' rely on eye candy descriptions, that's not very flattering towards bowlers. If you're not sure, then it's always better to do the second of what you suggested -- wait until there is first hand knowledge of the ball. There shouldn't be so much urgency for any purchase to jump into a black hole.
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Most will agree that Lane 1 over hypes products to a degree that is laughable.
I think 'most of who will agree' have zero or very limited exposure to Lane#1 and have some kind of axe to grind. Anyone who takes the over the top ads for anything more than attention grabbing effects have other agendas.
Look deeper into the Lane#1 site and all the relevant technical data is there to make informed decisions.
Post by: mmcfarland300 on September 10, 2009, 01:27:18 PM
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Post by: Roy Munson on September 10, 2009, 02:15:03 PM
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They offer up visions of grandure to get the sale then when the product doesnt require 5 more boards it's just marketing.
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Did you actually believe that they require 5 more boards or not?
Do you actually believe bowlers believe that?
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on September 10, 2009, 02:18:02 PM
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They offer up visions of grandure to get the sale then when the product doesnt require 5 more boards it's just marketing.
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"Another day will bring a different result"
"Pick your battles because stressing over things will not change an outcome"
Did you actually believe that they require 5 more boards or not?
Do you actually believe bowlers believe that?
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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."
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I was simply using that as an example like 20% more hook and 10 pins to your average. No there to argue symantecs.
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Post by: Roy Munson on September 10, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
I myself is a Lane #1 fan but I don't buy into those ads
nor their ads bother me.
When I read through the RESULTS my fellow lane #1 bowlers give
then I decide for myself, not because of the ads nor visions of grandeur,
if the ball will fit my style.
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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on September 10, 2009, 02:41:28 PM
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I myself is a Lane #1 fan but I don't buy into those ads
nor their ads bother me.
When I read through the RESULTS my fellow lane #1 bowlers give
then I decide for myself, not because of the ads nor visions of grandeur,
if the ball will fit my style.
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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."
***** Looking for Pearl Cherry C/2 *****
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Thats my point we are not in the majority here. Most bowlers now do not have the knowledge when selecting equipment, most do not visit ballreviews or any other bowling forum.
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Post by: Steven on September 10, 2009, 02:51:11 PM
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I have obviously been burned by Lane 1 products but nontheless my true issue with Lane 1 is there marketing.
If you don't mind sharing, what Lane#1 products did you feel burned by?
Post by: mmcfarland300 on September 10, 2009, 03:02:07 PM
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Post by: OddBalls on September 10, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
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MM300: I honestly don't know how anyone can be so gullible as to literally be sucked into some of the Lane#1 ads. Rational bowlers know you don't need 5 more boards on a lane for a Dynamo. Richie's letter to the USBC about widening the lanes 5 boards was for attention and a laugh -- nothing more.
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I have obviously been burned by Lane 1 products but nontheless my true issue with Lane 1 is there marketing.
If you don't mind sharing, what Lane#1 products did you feel burned by?
Then you've sucessfully buried your head in the sand..
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Post by: Steven on September 10, 2009, 03:33:30 PM
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This is my last word on the subject. You guys bore me to tears.
CRD: You pretty much exited my thread earlier with your above words of wisdom. What happened? Is it being a certified flake, having the attention span of a Gerbil, or looking for kinship where none exists?
Since you've tripped back into the Lane#1 forum, you must have something technical to share worth listening to. What a concept if it has to do with the BB/R, the actual reason for this thread. It's never too late to turn a new leaf.
Post by: Roy Munson on September 10, 2009, 05:32:10 PM
kinda like . . . er . . . stalking
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Post by: Steven on September 10, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
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kinda like . . . er . . . stalking
Roy: Creepy isn't it. Kind of conjures up images of a mentally deranged middle aged guy in a trench coat lurking in the bushes outside your house.
You have to understand that CRD long ago settled for bowling mediocrity. He never met his potential, simply accepting mind numbing handicap leagues and low level pot games for his competitive jollies.
He seems to embrace bowling under achievement. Or maybe he's clinging to a raging bitterness of settling for less than it could have been. It doesn't matter because I have no interest in understanding his psychotic phobias. Whatever the reason, he's incredibly hostile towards anyone who strives for improvement. He channels that hostility into a continuous pursuit of trolling, stalking, and just plain being foul.
I'm holding out hope he'll offer some insights regarding the BB/R, or anything bowling for that matter. As I said before, it's never too late for him to turn a new leaf.
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Post by: psaunders300 on September 11, 2009, 08:31:55 AM
On the marketing topic, I have some experience on this as I did a lot of the marketing slogans for InSite Bowling Products. The marketing of a ball is meant to grab your attention, so it has to be "over the top"...for instance the marketing for the SuperNatural claimed that the ball was so aggressive that it would "start hooking in your back swing"...did it really do this? Of course not! But it did grab your attention! That is all that marketing is meant to do...you have to bring some common sense into the equation and think for yourselves...enough said on this already!
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Post by: Steven on September 11, 2009, 10:48:34 AM
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The marketing of a ball is meant to grab your attention, so it has to be "over the top"...for instance the marketing for the SuperNatural claimed that the ball was so aggressive that it would "start hooking in your back swing"...did it really do this? Of course not! But it did grab your attention! That is all that marketing is meant to do...you have to bring some common sense into the equation and think for yourselves
Paul: Very well said. Once any company gets your attention, it is a matter of using personal common sense and thinking for yourself. Practice this and you'll rarely feel duped or otherwise make bad decisions.
Going back to the BB/R, I've been trying to understand scenarios where a bowler wouldn't like it. Stuff outside the normal using the ball on the wrong condition, etc. One scenario that comes to mind is having a lower rev release. Because the Doomsday core is early and heavy rolling, the BB/R (like any of the BuzzBombs) is going to roll like a 'turd' if you can't get at least medium revs into it.
Due to cronic tendonitis I'm forced into using brace, but for the heck of it I took the thing off for a few shots to see how the BB/R would roll. With lower revs, the roll of the ball was terrible. The BB/R was done in the midlane and had no drive into the pins. However, with some revs the ball comes to life and is a completely different animal. Unfortunately, we don't always get the extra relevant information.
Post by: urbanj51 on September 11, 2009, 11:49:08 AM
For the Lane 1 marketing haters, grow a pair and grow up. It's business dudes. Seriously. Thought if you were grown enough you would realize that.
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Post by: six pack on September 11, 2009, 12:13:33 PM
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The marketing of a ball is meant to grab your attention, so it has to be "over the top"...for instance the marketing for the SuperNatural claimed that the ball was so aggressive that it would "start hooking in your back swing"...did it really do this? Of course not! But it did grab your attention! That is all that marketing is meant to do...you have to bring some common sense into the equation and think for yourselves
Paul: Very well said. Once any company gets your attention, it is a matter of using personal common sense and thinking for yourself. Practice this and you'll rarely feel duped or otherwise make bad decisions.
Going back to the BB/R, I've been trying to understand scenarios where a bowler wouldn't like it. Stuff outside the normal using the ball on the wrong condition, etc. One scenario that comes to mind is having a lower rev release. Because the Doomsday core is early and heavy rolling, the BB/R (like any of the BuzzBombs) is going to roll like a 'turd' if you can't get at least medium revs into it.
Due to cronic tendonitis I'm forced into using brace, but for the heck of it I took the thing off for a few shots to see how the BB/R would roll. With lower revs, the roll of the ball was terrible. The BB/R was done in the midlane and had no drive into the pins. However, with some revs the ball comes to life and is a completely different animal. Unfortunately, we don't always get the extra relevant information.
I dont understand,if you have low revs you would think a low rg core would be a good choice.
I have a buddy who just gave me one of these bomb/r's as he hated it with his low rev stroker style.I've tried it and thought it was a nice rolling ball that hooked in the mid lane and had a controllable roll in the back but I have high revs.I'm happy with my current set up and was not looking for another ball so I thought I could trade it for something else for my buddy,what type of ball would be a good fit for a low rev stroker?
on the other hand I just may end up keeping it as there's not much intrest for this piece.
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Post by: Steven on September 11, 2009, 01:01:17 PM
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I don't understand,if you have low revs you would think a low rg core would be a good choice.
One of the problems with low revs and a low RG core (and low to medium speed) is that the ball can tend to stop skidding too soon, and consequently, start to hook too soon. With low revs, whatever hook generated tends to be weak and not enter the pocket at the optimal angle.
The above statement is a general case. If the low rev player has high speed (19-20+ mph), then the low RG core can work to his advantage.
It sounds like your buddy would be happier with a higher RG piece that will get cleaner through the heads and still have some energy on the backend. There are lots of balls in this category to pick from. Within Lane#1, a good choice would be the Dynamo X2.
Post by: Gazoo on September 11, 2009, 07:33:53 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on September 11, 2009, 08:08:49 PM
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For instance, everyone raves about the Silver Diamond as one of the best balls made by Lane 1. I on the other hand, hate it. I jumped on top of one the first chance I got. And I was sorely disappointed. That ball is worth less than the XXXL Plastic ball.
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Right *rollseyes*.
The XXXL is worth more than any other Lane #1 ball.
It's the only ball I will not get rid of. It's the only ball I would be completely lost without. Allow me to explain. You can get the same result as any other Lane #1 ball by throwing something from another company. You will be hard pressed to find another plastic ball on the market that performs at the same level as the XXXL. The XXXL is money in the hands of those who know when and how to use it.
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Post by: nextbowler on September 11, 2009, 10:29:23 PM
they like a bowling ball or company. You either like it and buy it or not. Why do you care what everyone else thinks of it--do you really need the ego
reinforcement? It certainly doesn't take name calling to get your point across. That just shows lack of vocabulary or communication skills.
Now re: Lane 1--I believe that they used to make great equipment and for me
was worth the extra money. Lately, the diamond core has run its possible course and the company relies on whoever pours their stuff to come up with new
formulations to produce anything new. Untill this changes, no more Lane 1 for me.
Post by: six pack on September 11, 2009, 10:30:13 PM
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Post by: urbanj51 on September 12, 2009, 09:29:59 AM
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For instance, everyone raves about the Silver Diamond as one of the best balls made by Lane 1. I on the other hand, hate it. I jumped on top of one the first chance I got. And I was sorely disappointed. That ball is worth less than the XXXL Plastic ball.
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Right *rollseyes*.
The XXXL is worth more than any other Lane #1 ball.
It's the only ball I will not get rid of. It's the only ball I would be completely lost without. Allow me to explain. You can get the same result as any other Lane #1 ball by throwing something from another company. You will be hard pressed to find another plastic ball on the market that performs at the same level as the XXXL. The XXXL is money in the hands of those who know when and how to use it.
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I'm really lost as to your post? I simply said, in context, that the Silver Diamond was worth less to me than the XXXL? I never said the XXXL was not a good plastic ball? Maybe read more before you post.....
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