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Agent Orange....
« on: February 09, 2009, 11:30:01 AM »
So I bought an Agent Orange off of eBay for $80 shipped (used) and I got the thumb plugged, a new slug and new finger grips for $20.  $100 total for a pretty much brand new Lane 1.

I bought this ball because I had heard that the state tournament there was a lot of oil on the lanes, and you needed something that hooked early.  The seller told me he had it at 1000 grit abralon, and I figured for a player like myself that would be perfect.

I picked it up Sunday and used it tonight for the first time in league.  I figured this ball would be hooking for days, but sadly it doesn't.  

I was able to play 17 with my feet (I line up with my left foot and I'm lefty) and play direct up the 10 board all night.  So basically I was really straight.  The ball got down the lane super easy, and had a pretty small break on the back end.  

While I think this will be my new go to ball on THS, I don't think, if the lanes are like everyone is saying, it will work for me at states.

Has anyone noticed that this ball is a good one to play straight with, but not a hooking monster?

I'm not disappointed in the ball, just a little disappointed that it might not work for what I wanted it to.
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 07:35:50 PM »
Well, the first question should be is the ball really at 1000 abralon? Just to be safe, you should surface it to what you want so you know for sure what the surface is... And how is the ball layed out?
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 07:41:16 PM »
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Well, the first question should be is the ball really at 1000 abralon? Just to be safe, you should surface it to what you want so you know for sure what the surface is... And how is the ball layed out?


I agree you should adjust the suface either back to OoB or to atleast 1000 to make sure it's correct.  

How is it drilled?
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 07:50:39 PM »
i agree with changing surface but also remember a HOOKIN ball for OIL isnt gonna take being played in a SWING type fashion
and on a ths it wont hook alot either as most times will burn up
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 07:56:39 PM »
its a pearl so it isnt gonna move on the oil like you anticipate

I hvae mine at 4k abralon and on a 41 foot house shot, it moves way more then i need some nights

how is this ball drilled?
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2009, 08:33:07 PM »
Wow, quick responses.  Well I am unsure of my PAP, but it is "stacked" outside of the ring.  Pin left and above the ring, cg stacked below, small weight hole a few inches from the cg.

I was just playing straight up the boards and I have realized something, it's not the way to play a THS anymore.  I shot 663 on the night and I either struck or left a 7 pin.  I left a lot of 7 pins.


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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 07:36:49 AM »
i have 2 of the oranges , both with 2000 abralon + polish  and they are hook  monsters in  oil,and they just keep going,, best  ball ive ever used so far, its very versatle, on a lot of different conditions, and the carry is off the charts,
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 01:04:10 PM »
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Wow, quick responses.  Well I am unsure of my PAP, but it is "stacked" outside of the ring.  Pin left and above the ring, cg stacked below, small weight hole a few inches from the cg.

I was just playing straight up the boards and I have realized something, it's not the way to play a THS anymore.  I shot 663 on the night and I either struck or left a 7 pin.  I left a lot of 7 pins.


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Without knowing your PAP you have no idea what is in the ball. If you plugged the whole ball and strategically layed the ball out for the heavy oil you wanted to use it for it would perform much better. You basically bought a ball and fixed it to throw it. What is in it is in it. It could be 5.75x6 and will never hook in oil. You just don't know.

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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 05:21:57 PM »
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Wow, quick responses.  Well I am unsure of my PAP, but it is "stacked" outside of the ring.  Pin left and above the ring, cg stacked below, small weight hole a few inches from the cg.

I was just playing straight up the boards and I have realized something, it's not the way to play a THS anymore.  I shot 663 on the night and I either struck or left a 7 pin.  I left a lot of 7 pins.


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Without knowing your PAP you have no idea what is in the ball. If you plugged the whole ball and strategically layed the ball out for the heavy oil you wanted to use it for it would perform much better. You basically bought a ball and fixed it to throw it. What is in it is in it. It could be 5.75x6 and will never hook in oil. You just don't know.

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Yea that does make sense.  I've never mapped out a ball according to my PAP.  I just use all generic layouts and they work for me.

How much of a difference would it really make if I went off of my PAP?

The AO rolls really well for a house shot, and I can see myself using it a lot, but I for some reason was under the assumption it hooked a ton.

Nothing lost...I'll report back after I shoot 800 tonight.
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 06:04:38 PM »
I have never matched-up well with any of the "BOMB" cores or their counterparts.  I have a Liberator that is money.  Heck, I couldn't stand the Cherry BOMB or its brother the Black Cherry BOMB that so many covet on here.  Don't even get me started on the original green Carbide BOMB!  I got sucked into the BuzzBOMB hype only to be let down again.  It only took me five years to realize I should stick to the original diamond core.
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 10:15:56 PM »
Well I'll tell you the Agent Orange is the ball I've been looking for, for a long time!  The sad thing is, that I've been throwing the ball great with it and have only shot 663, 667.  My averages going in were 223, 220, so it's not 20% better, but it sure rolls nice.

Up the 10 board I go, now I think I need to make an adjustment a board or two right and slow hook it a little more for angle, because I either strike or leave a 7 pin.

If I was bowling 9 pin no tap with this ball my average would be 280+


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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 08:06:29 AM »
One other thing that I didn't see in the other comments that is also a possibility for its not hooking: Given its super dull out of the box surface (500 grit Abralon), the ball could have already absorbed a lot of oil. Since it's used, you also have no idea how much the ball was used. Since the surface was changed, you have no idea what it really is. I'd strongly recommend an oil etxraction and a resurfacing or at least a refreshing, so you know exactly what kind of animal you have.

Unless your first track in oil is very unusual, the drilling is probably not that far off. If your first track is very high or very far from the thumb and fingers, you probably have an average PAP, in the 4 1/2" - 5 1/2" range.

Given how often you post here, I find it very odd that you don't know your own PAP or haven't felt a desire to learn it, given that is the ONLY way to properly drill 95% of the balls around these days.
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 01:53:44 PM »
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I find it very odd that you don't know your own PAP or haven't felt a desire to learn it, given that is the ONLY way to properly drill 95% of the balls around these days.


What do you do with the other 5%, throw three holes in them, say two hail mary's, and hope it works?  I'm no genius, but knowing your PAP is needed to properly drill 100% of the bowling balls out there these days.  Of course, I will probably chastised by the ballreviews community because I am questioning a post by the great charlest.


What reason does using your PAP to lay out a pancake weight block have???

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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 01:59:41 PM »
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Of course, I will probably chastised by the ballreviews community because I am questioning a post by the great charlest.
...or you'll just be chastised because you're wrong simply because you forgot all about pancake-cored balls, including polyester, some urethane, and even some reactive (i.e. the Hammer Razyr).  These balls obviously don't get drilled based off your PAP, they get drilled just to keep the static weights USBC-legal.
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Re: Agent Orange....
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 02:06:04 PM »
Charlest I definitely do desire to know what my PAP is, but none of the drillers I have ever gone to have done it.  

I've always been about the feel of a ball.  If a person could drill my equipment consistently with the same feel, then I am happy.  To me that's much more important than a lay out being an inch or two off from whatever my PAP is.

Like you said, I would fall into the average numbers as my first oil ring is very close to the fingers and thumb.  In fact sometimes I think it's TOO close.

This ball really rolls well, and if it doesn't work at states, that's not a huge deal, I'll just throw something else.  My Hy-Road at 4000 checks up earlier, so that might be my weapon of choice.

I like the way the AO rolls, how it looks, and how it feels.  I could see myself putting up some big numbers with it once I find the right line to carry more consistently.  Right now I can't miss the pocket, but strike percentage isn't as high as I would like it.  6 games 1330 pins low game of 204.



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