Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 09, 2009, 11:30:01 AM
I bought this ball because I had heard that the state tournament there was a lot of oil on the lanes, and you needed something that hooked early. The seller told me he had it at 1000 grit abralon, and I figured for a player like myself that would be perfect.
I picked it up Sunday and used it tonight for the first time in league. I figured this ball would be hooking for days, but sadly it doesn't.
I was able to play 17 with my feet (I line up with my left foot and I'm lefty) and play direct up the 10 board all night. So basically I was really straight. The ball got down the lane super easy, and had a pretty small break on the back end.
While I think this will be my new go to ball on THS, I don't think, if the lanes are like everyone is saying, it will work for me at states.
Has anyone noticed that this ball is a good one to play straight with, but not a hooking monster?
I'm not disappointed in the ball, just a little disappointed that it might not work for what I wanted it to.
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Post by: SVstar34 on February 09, 2009, 07:35:50 PM
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Post by: zeusjr on February 09, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
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Well, the first question should be is the ball really at 1000 abralon? Just to be safe, you should surface it to what you want so you know for sure what the surface is... And how is the ball layed out?
I agree you should adjust the suface either back to OoB or to atleast 1000 to make sure it's correct.
How is it drilled?
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Post by: bowlingnut07 on February 09, 2009, 07:50:39 PM
and on a ths it wont hook alot either as most times will burn up
Post by: triggerman on February 09, 2009, 07:56:39 PM
I hvae mine at 4k abralon and on a 41 foot house shot, it moves way more then i need some nights
how is this ball drilled?
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 09, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
I was just playing straight up the boards and I have realized something, it's not the way to play a THS anymore. I shot 663 on the night and I either struck or left a 7 pin. I left a lot of 7 pins.
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Post by: 42swaff on February 10, 2009, 07:36:49 AM
Post by: BeansProShop on February 10, 2009, 01:04:10 PM
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Wow, quick responses. Well I am unsure of my PAP, but it is "stacked" outside of the ring. Pin left and above the ring, cg stacked below, small weight hole a few inches from the cg.
I was just playing straight up the boards and I have realized something, it's not the way to play a THS anymore. I shot 663 on the night and I either struck or left a 7 pin. I left a lot of 7 pins.
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Without knowing your PAP you have no idea what is in the ball. If you plugged the whole ball and strategically layed the ball out for the heavy oil you wanted to use it for it would perform much better. You basically bought a ball and fixed it to throw it. What is in it is in it. It could be 5.75x6 and will never hook in oil. You just don't know.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 10, 2009, 05:21:57 PM
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Wow, quick responses. Well I am unsure of my PAP, but it is "stacked" outside of the ring. Pin left and above the ring, cg stacked below, small weight hole a few inches from the cg.
I was just playing straight up the boards and I have realized something, it's not the way to play a THS anymore. I shot 663 on the night and I either struck or left a 7 pin. I left a lot of 7 pins.
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Without knowing your PAP you have no idea what is in the ball. If you plugged the whole ball and strategically layed the ball out for the heavy oil you wanted to use it for it would perform much better. You basically bought a ball and fixed it to throw it. What is in it is in it. It could be 5.75x6 and will never hook in oil. You just don't know.
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Yea that does make sense. I've never mapped out a ball according to my PAP. I just use all generic layouts and they work for me.
How much of a difference would it really make if I went off of my PAP?
The AO rolls really well for a house shot, and I can see myself using it a lot, but I for some reason was under the assumption it hooked a ton.
Nothing lost...I'll report back after I shoot 800 tonight.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on February 10, 2009, 06:04:38 PM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 10, 2009, 10:15:56 PM
Up the 10 board I go, now I think I need to make an adjustment a board or two right and slow hook it a little more for angle, because I either strike or leave a 7 pin.
If I was bowling 9 pin no tap with this ball my average would be 280+
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Post by: charlest on February 11, 2009, 08:06:29 AM
Unless your first track in oil is very unusual, the drilling is probably not that far off. If your first track is very high or very far from the thumb and fingers, you probably have an average PAP, in the 4 1/2" - 5 1/2" range.
Given how often you post here, I find it very odd that you don't know your own PAP or haven't felt a desire to learn it, given that is the ONLY way to properly drill 95% of the balls around these days.
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Post by: BeansProShop on February 11, 2009, 01:53:44 PM
quote:quote:
I find it very odd that you don't know your own PAP or haven't felt a desire to learn it, given that is the ONLY way to properly drill 95% of the balls around these days.
What do you do with the other 5%, throw three holes in them, say two hail mary's, and hope it works? I'm no genius, but knowing your PAP is needed to properly drill 100% of the bowling balls out there these days. Of course, I will probably chastised by the ballreviews community because I am questioning a post by the great charlest.
What reason does using your PAP to lay out a pancake weight block have???
Sleepy???
Please explain..
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Post by: Dan Belcher on February 11, 2009, 01:59:41 PM
quote:...or you'll just be chastised because you're wrong simply because you forgot all about pancake-cored balls, including polyester, some urethane, and even some reactive (i.e. the Hammer Razyr). These balls obviously don't get drilled based off your PAP, they get drilled just to keep the static weights USBC-legal.
Of course, I will probably chastised by the ballreviews community because I am questioning a post by the great charlest.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 11, 2009, 02:06:04 PM
I've always been about the feel of a ball. If a person could drill my equipment consistently with the same feel, then I am happy. To me that's much more important than a lay out being an inch or two off from whatever my PAP is.
Like you said, I would fall into the average numbers as my first oil ring is very close to the fingers and thumb. In fact sometimes I think it's TOO close.
This ball really rolls well, and if it doesn't work at states, that's not a huge deal, I'll just throw something else. My Hy-Road at 4000 checks up earlier, so that might be my weapon of choice.
I like the way the AO rolls, how it looks, and how it feels. I could see myself putting up some big numbers with it once I find the right line to carry more consistently. Right now I can't miss the pocket, but strike percentage isn't as high as I would like it. 6 games 1330 pins low game of 204.
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Post by: charlest on February 11, 2009, 02:23:02 PM
quote:quote:
I find it very odd that you don't know your own PAP or haven't felt a desire to learn it, given that is the ONLY way to properly drill 95% of the balls around these days.
What do you do with the other 5%, throw three holes in them, say two hail mary's, and hope it works? I'm no genius, but knowing your PAP is needed to properly drill 100% of the bowling balls out there these days. Of course, I will probably chastised by the ballreviews community because I am questioning a post by the great charlest.
Sleepy,
I honestly wonder what is wrong with you. Not in questioning what I said. Many people do that. I know I am not right all the time. It just the way in which you word your responses that ... aggravates the living crap out of every one, including me. Is there some reason you always want to pick a fight over the least little thing? Why must you always be so antagonistic?
Is there any reason you can't have a civil discussion? You obviously do not want one. Every word you type seems designed to provoke an emotional response, not a rational discussion. That is not the purpose of this web site.
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Post by: charlest on February 11, 2009, 02:24:22 PM
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Charlest I definitely do desire to know what my PAP is, but none of the drillers I have ever gone to have done it.
I've always been about the feel of a ball. If a person could drill my equipment consistently with the same feel, then I am happy. To me that's much more important than a lay out being an inch or two off from whatever my PAP is.
Like you said, I would fall into the average numbers as my first oil ring is very close to the fingers and thumb. In fact sometimes I think it's TOO close.
This ball really rolls well, and if it doesn't work at states, that's not a huge deal, I'll just throw something else. My Hy-Road at 4000 checks up earlier, so that might be my weapon of choice.
I like the way the AO rolls, how it looks, and how it feels. I could see myself putting up some big numbers with it once I find the right line to carry more consistently. Right now I can't miss the pocket, but strike percentage isn't as high as I would like it. 6 games 1330 pins low game of 204.
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I hear you. and I understand.
Good luck with it.
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Post by: BeansProShop on February 11, 2009, 02:49:15 PM
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Charlest I definitely do desire to know what my PAP is, but none of the drillers I have ever gone to have done it.
I've always been about the feel of a ball. If a person could drill my equipment consistently with the same feel, then I am happy. To me that's much more important than a lay out being an inch or two off from whatever my PAP is.
Like you said, I would fall into the average numbers as my first oil ring is very close to the fingers and thumb. In fact sometimes I think it's TOO close.
This ball really rolls well, and if it doesn't work at states, that's not a huge deal, I'll just throw something else. My Hy-Road at 4000 checks up earlier, so that might be my weapon of choice.
I like the way the AO rolls, how it looks, and how it feels. I could see myself putting up some big numbers with it once I find the right line to carry more consistently. Right now I can't miss the pocket, but strike percentage isn't as high as I would like it. 6 games 1330 pins low game of 204.
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If they did not find your PAP you should find a new shop operator. It is the single most important thing you use to lay out a ball. Other than that you are just guessing.
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Post by: OddBalls on February 11, 2009, 03:06:59 PM
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Charlest I definitely do desire to know what my PAP is, but none of the drillers I have ever gone to have done it.
I've always been about the feel of a ball. If a person could drill my equipment consistently with the same feel, then I am happy. To me that's much more important than a lay out being an inch or two off from whatever my PAP is.
Like you said, I would fall into the average numbers as my first oil ring is very close to the fingers and thumb. In fact sometimes I think it's TOO close.
This ball really rolls well, and if it doesn't work at states, that's not a huge deal, I'll just throw something else. My Hy-Road at 4000 checks up earlier, so that might be my weapon of choice.
I like the way the AO rolls, how it looks, and how it feels. I could see myself putting up some big numbers with it once I find the right line to carry more consistently. Right now I can't miss the pocket, but strike percentage isn't as high as I would like it. 6 games 1330 pins low game of 204.
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If they did not find your PAP you should find a new shop operator. It is the single most important thing you use to lay out a ball. Other than that you are just guessing.
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Even more important than the cg or static weights (GASP!!)
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 11, 2009, 04:38:57 PM
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Charlest I definitely do desire to know what my PAP is, but none of the drillers I have ever gone to have done it.
I've always been about the feel of a ball. If a person could drill my equipment consistently with the same feel, then I am happy. To me that's much more important than a lay out being an inch or two off from whatever my PAP is.
Like you said, I would fall into the average numbers as my first oil ring is very close to the fingers and thumb. In fact sometimes I think it's TOO close.
This ball really rolls well, and if it doesn't work at states, that's not a huge deal, I'll just throw something else. My Hy-Road at 4000 checks up earlier, so that might be my weapon of choice.
I like the way the AO rolls, how it looks, and how it feels. I could see myself putting up some big numbers with it once I find the right line to carry more consistently. Right now I can't miss the pocket, but strike percentage isn't as high as I would like it. 6 games 1330 pins low game of 204.
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If they did not find your PAP you should find a new shop operator. It is the single most important thing you use to lay out a ball. Other than that you are just guessing.
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I refuse to get a new driller because every ball I use fits perfectly. It's hard enough to find someone that can drill well. Like I said, I don't think it would make enough of a difference on ball reaction if the drill is not EXACTLY 3 3/8" from my PAP.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 12, 2009, 11:26:14 PM
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I dont know if my proshop guy uses my pap hell im not to sure what pap is..he watches me bowl than checks the track on my current ball than drills the new one ..is this checking my pap??? just curious
Probably. I've never even had a shop do that much.
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Post by: BeansProShop on February 13, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
quote:quote:
What reason does using your PAP to lay out a pancake weight block have???
Sleepy???
Please explain..
I use my PAP to layout EVERY ball so that I can carry 20% better than the guy who only lays out 95% of his stuff using his PAP....
Another intelligent reply...
Maybe you should check your daddy's leg. The best 20% of your life ran down it..
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Post by: BeansProShop on February 13, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
Not Much!!!
This is the last reply I will be making to you and your worthless posts. You have no place in this industry so your antagonizing comments have no merit. The fact that Lane#1 decided to not have a booth this year in Vegas does not affect my life in any way. I have a successful Pro Shop and also several other businesses that do quite well for me. So in the future you should try to think of something a little more relevant to try to hurt my feelings...
Later loser!!!
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 13, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
Today I went and threw some practice at the bowling alley that the city tournament team event will be taking place.
Longer pattern, seems to be more head oil, more out of bounds around the channel.
I shot a 297 with the Agent Orange
I told my buddy after #11 I should throw it in the gutter, because I have 3 300's and 2 have come in practice, and it means nothing, so I didn't really care to throw another.Then as I got ready for the shot I noticed some people watching in anticipation, so I decided to try, and got it left off my hand, where as I mentioned earlier, not much recovery room, and it came back way light.
The ball hooked harder at this house if that makes sense. Not more, just harder off the spot. I was playing the same line as I do at the other house where I've put up a couple of consistent 660 sets.
While a 297 in practice means absolutely nothing, I was happy to see that my prediction after throwing it a few times was correct. The ball rolls well and allows me to play in a nice comfort area. What I noticed today in practice, which I never seem to notice in league, is a forcing issue. When I let the ball come off my hand, I strike. When I force it off my hand I leave 7 pins.
So, now I'll be excited to see how this reacts at states, and if it doesn't perform well, that's okay, because I think I have a winner for leagues.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 14, 2009, 10:07:22 AM
This ball is pretty darn good
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 16, 2009, 08:42:21 PM
Today in singles and doubles in the city tournament I went 257, 258, 268 -783 in doubles and 233, 237, 206 - 676 in singles after shooting 772 with my Hy-Road in Team for an all events total of 2231 scratch!
Sadly I was only getting about 5 pins and event, so 15 total for a 2246 w/handicap all events total. I have no chance at winning the handicap, but hopefully I can cash!
The only problem I see with this ball is TOO MANY STONE 9 PINS!!!! I left 5 total today and the first game in doubles I was shooting for a 268 and stoned a 9 2nd ball in the 10th!!! Yes I am a lefty! GRRR I should have been going for an 800 in the 3rd game, but got JACKED UP!!!
I have had this ball for 1 week and 1 day and so far 297, 279, and a 783 which is my 2nd highest set ever! WHAT A BALL!!!!
Thanks again LANE #1!!!
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Post by: bowlerdawg on February 16, 2009, 08:52:41 PM
keep it in the dry = no good
oil= winner
nice shooting sbb
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 16, 2009, 09:04:32 PM
I mean I feel I'll cash in the handicap spot, and yes they did have an optional scratch event, but no one effing told me! So I didn't get in!
I can still be named all events scratch champion, I just can't get the cash for it
I know this sounds lame, but the trophy means more to me than the money, (it's a pride thing) so I hope it holds up!!!The only bonus I can take from it, is that not many people got in the scratch all events, so I won't be losing TOO much money if I do indeed take the title! I really am hoping that 2231 will be enough. However there are still more squads to be bowled, so you never know!
Again, guys I really appreciate the sentiments. Again to those who love to call out FIGJAMMERS I apologize, but I am honestly very excited right now and again hope it will hold up!
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 16, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
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yea in city tourny around here most will not get in scratch all-events either...
It's really sad because I shot 289 in team and won $32 and won two jackpots with a 257,268 in doubles and won $13.50! No one even gets in jackpots...so sad!
Again thanks Lane #1!!!
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Post by: tizzle on February 16, 2009, 11:02:19 PM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 17, 2009, 09:48:34 PM
Now I'm super pumped! Hopefully no one breaks it in the next few days!
Oh, also the team I bowled with today won the scratch division championship as well! Which is bitter sweet because the team that was in 1st was my other team
I'm super PUMPED!
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Post by: HAMBONE on February 17, 2009, 09:59:12 PM
and by the way AWESOME SHOOTING
hope I have as much luck with mine.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 17, 2009, 10:09:12 PM
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which city tournament?
and by the way AWESOME SHOOTING
hope I have as much luck with mine.
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Mt. Pleasant, Michigan. This ball was AWESOME for Doubles and Singles, but not enough ball for team as there was more oil at the other house, which is where my Hy-Road stepped in
Thank you very much my friend, I appreciate the sentiments!
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 17, 2009, 10:11:55 PM
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Hey guys I just had to add to this! I found out today while bowling in another team event, that my 2231 scratch all events score is the NEW CITY RECORD! The previous high was 2169 set in 1994!!!!
Now I'm super pumped! Hopefully no one breaks it in the next few days!
Oh, also the team I bowled with today won the scratch division championship as well! Which is bitter sweet because the team that was in 1st was my other team
I'm super PUMPED!
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told you you were looking ok, didnt think anyone would beat that score, that is ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey CG, believe it or not, I'm in 2nd for all events handicap lol. I only got 15 sticks for the entire 3 event total. Some dude with like a 170 average didn't shoot lower than 640 in any event, so he SMOKED Me. Bitter sweet because he bowls on my Monday Night Team in league, and I fixed a couple of his problems and he's been bowling much better lately
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Post by: Storm269 on February 26, 2009, 11:28:52 PM
Just for my info, are you still playing the AO directly up 10 board ?
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on February 27, 2009, 07:44:11 AM
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Spider Ball Bowler,
Just for my info, are you still playing the AO directly up 10 board ?
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Yes mainly up 10, and sometimes a 10-5 swing. Real tight lines.
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