Post by: FastTracker33 on April 15, 2009, 01:21:32 PM
After the last thread went to the dumps, I thought i'd make a new one. I was waiting for responses, because I was also curious of a comparison, but that never happened.
Please, I repeat, PLEASE keep this thread normal. (if that's even possible)
Otherwise, it will be locked.
Thanks!
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Post by: Buzzhead on April 15, 2009, 09:37:03 PM
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Post by: SVstar34 on April 15, 2009, 09:46:11 PM
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Rogue Cell (coming soon)
Bounty(4.5 x 4.75 Fresh 1000 Abralon)
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Post by: Nicanor on April 16, 2009, 09:27:47 AM
The Agent Orange for me is much more controlled then the Dynamo. The AO doesn't have the gigantic backend the dynamo has. The Dynamo box, AO at 2000. The Dynamo I have has the pin in the ring finger and the MB/CG kicked right about 2 inches of the thumb. The length on this ball suprised me. When it hit the break point it made a very strong move to the pocket. The AO, drilled pin under the ring finger MB/CG kicked right of thumb about 2 inches, playing the same line did not recover as well. Moved a little right and the ball still carried tremendously.
For me, the Dynamo is a much better swing ball then the AO. The AO is more of a roll ball and the Dynamo is more of an explosive ball. With the Dynamo I can chase the oil line all the way across the lane with great carry, but if I try that with the AO, quickly it will leave 10 pins.
So for more of down and in control with great carry I like the AO. If I want to open up the lane, I like to use the Dynamo.
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Post by: absoluteisanidiot on April 16, 2009, 10:07:08 AM
Hope this helps. Good luck and good bowling.
Post by: JessN16 on April 16, 2009, 01:47:51 PM
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For me, the Dynamo is a much better swing ball then the AO. The AO is more of a roll ball and the Dynamo is more of an explosive ball. With the Dynamo I can chase the oil line all the way across the lane with great carry, but if I try that with the AO, quickly it will leave 10 pins.
So for more of down and in control with great carry I like the AO. If I want to open up the lane, I like to use the Dynamo.
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Thanks for posting this. Even though I have neither ball, I can definitely understand why this would be so.
Exempting coverstocks from the discussion for a moment -- Core in the Dynamo is most like either the WAS or Fusion core (and the Fusion is basically the WAS core with a density puck inside), while the core in the AO is the same core (Doomsday) as the BuzzBomb/R.
I have two WAS/Fusion balls -- Evo, XP. Both are angular.
I have one Doomsday ball -- BuzzBomb/R. It likes to roll heavily.
Jess
Post by: AK47 on April 16, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
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Post by: jls on April 16, 2009, 03:10:58 PM
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Has anyone put the sauce right over the 500 grit oob surface of the AO?
Wouldn't that make it more angular and have an s/s type reaction similar to the CM..
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No, never put the sauce on any ball that was at a 500 oob finish.
Usually take the ball up to 2000 or 3000 or 4000 first, then apply the Sauce.
To me putting it on a ball at a 500 pad still leaves the ball with too much early grip.
Note, 3000 is a superpad.
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Post by: absoluteisanidiot on April 17, 2009, 08:39:40 AM
Post by: triggerman on April 17, 2009, 08:48:18 AM
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Post by: AK47 on April 17, 2009, 09:16:08 AM
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AO at 4k abralon is prefect never used polish, no need to
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Post by: FastTracker33 on April 17, 2009, 09:22:12 AM
quote:quote:
Has anyone put the sauce right over the 500 grit oob surface of the AO?
Wouldn't that make it more angular and have an s/s type reaction similar to the CM..
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No, never put the sauce on any ball that was at a 500 oob finish.
Usually take the ball up to 2000 or 3000 or 4000 first, then apply the Sauce.
To me putting it on a ball at a 500 pad still leaves the ball with too much early grip.
Note, 3000 is a superpad.
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jls
If you apply the Sauce on a ball at 4000 abralon, it will probably slide forever. The Sauce has an abrasive in it, so applying it to a ball right over 500 abralon is a good choice.
JMO..
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Post by: Steven on April 17, 2009, 09:31:00 AM
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I've used them both and the Agent Orange will handle a bigger volume of oil and is more angular off the dry, on the other hand the Dynamo is smooth through the front and hard arcing on the back and will handle a bit less oil than the Agent.
First, I haven't personally used either ball. However, I do have the BuzzBomb (solid version of AO) and I've watched the AO and Dynamo in action by other bowlers who I have respect for.
Based on all this, I agree with absoluteisanidiot's assessment above. The AO appears more angular off the dry, while the Dynamo seems to have more of a hard arching characteristic. They are both aggressive, so it just depends on the type of breakpoint reaction you're trying to achieve.
Post by: BeansProShop on April 17, 2009, 09:32:38 AM
I also have my other AO at 1000 with Sauce and it is more useable on a wider variety of conditions.
Any and all THS....
It is also good for the shorter and medium length Challenge/PBA patterns...
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Post by: jls on April 17, 2009, 11:19:52 AM
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Has anyone put the sauce right over the 500 grit oob surface of the AO?
Wouldn't that make it more angular and have an s/s type reaction similar to the CM..
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President and founding member of Lucky Lefty's ball of the week club!!
Motto: We have more balls than you!!
No, never put the sauce on any ball that was at a 500 oob finish.
Usually take the ball up to 2000 or 3000 or 4000 first, then apply the Sauce.
To me putting it on a ball at a 500 pad still leaves the ball with too much early grip.
Note, 3000 is a superpad.
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jls
If you apply the Sauce on a ball at 4000 abralon, it will probably slide forever. The Sauce has an abrasive in it, so applying it to a ball right over 500 abralon is a good choice.
JMO..
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Fast, first I was answering a question. Not assuming what will happen if you put sauce on a ball. Stating what we do here daily!!!!
For those with hand, putting sauce over the 4000 A-Pad is normal.
For those with little or no hand, leaving the cover at 4000 is better.
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Edited on 4/17/2009 1:48 PM
Post by: Nicanor on April 17, 2009, 01:37:30 PM
I also threw the Hot Sauce, Grand Illusion and the Rogue and the Rogue is not even in the same class as the others mentioned. Talk about a ball with way too much hype.
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Post by: dougb on April 18, 2009, 12:47:01 AM
Thanks
Edited on 4/18/2009 0:51 AM
Post by: Nicanor on April 18, 2009, 09:43:49 AM
I have had the AO since the very beginning and averaged 218 this year with it at one center and have had the Rogue for only three weeks. I've had plenty of time to throw the Rogue and see its potential. I understand that I also compared the Rogue to the Dynamo which was only recently released. But I compared the Dynamo and the Rogue at two different houses four different leagues and times of day. I realize that many more bowlers would review the Rogue because of all the success with the Cell. I'm having tremendous success with the Cell pearl though I did not match up with the Cell. The Virtual Gravity worked out much better for me then the Cell. I have two Grand Illusions and its a tremendous ball. So I'm not bashing Roto Grip, I just think the Rogue is outperformed by the Agent Orange, Hot Sauce with taking a little polish off and th Dynamo though still a little early. We were having problems at one center with the different oil patterns they put out evey week and the Hot Sauce saved our season.
So I understand that the AO and the Dynamo as well as the Rogue has not been out there that long, but in the past three weeks I worked very hard at comparing the balls at different centers at different times. Its not "I love Lane 1 bowling balls", its a fair assessment of these bowling balls all drilled very similar for my game.
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Edited on 4/18/2009 10:08 AM