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Nicanor

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Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« on: March 05, 2007, 07:16:25 AM »
I've been bowling with the G-Force for the last couple of weeks (pin above the ring Cg along side the thumb) and the ball loses reaction extremely quick.  I cleaned the ball with grey scotch brite pad and Hook-It and it starts out reading the lane well, but within a game the ball lost a ton of reaction.  I tried moving right into fresh oil thinking the heads were fading but the ball didn't recover at all.  I went further right to see if there was carry down and the reaction still sucked.

Anyone else having this problem??


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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2007, 09:21:29 PM »
Nic, where has Pchee2 been..? Haven't seen him in the forums in a while. It would be nice to hear from him again. If you see him, please say hello. If you can get him to post on here again, that would be great. =:^D

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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2007, 07:42:07 AM »
T-God,
I don't talk to Pchee2 very often or Doc Hollywood.  Both great guys.  But I do try and get to Fremont once a year to bowl and have breafast with them.

I think the only time Pchee2 picks up a owling ball is when I go up to visit.  He has spent a lot of time the last couple of years building a race car.  Oneof those dual turbo powered Supras I beleive with the onboard computer system.  You know the type of car.  But the car clocks the 1/4 in about 7 something the last I talked with him.

That plus his fundraising for children business keeps him oppcupied a lot also.

Back to the G-Force.  I am not saying ther G-Force is having TEC Death syndrome.  I will continue to clean it between sets and watch the reaction.  What I am saying right now is that the ball sucks up so much oil so fast, that it loses reaction and quickly.  In a single persson team league, where there is a lopt of oil and you could be the nly person playing that line, you are sucking up all the oil.  Not getting any help from other teammates or opponets.  IN a four person leaguie when there is a lot of oil there are others picking up the oil.

Honestlt speaking, those who say the ball is hooking more after use is possible.  They can be working in a track, have higher ball track, have other teammates helping to remove some lane oil or just not bowling on the oil volume that I am.

I always expect to read that ne person says the ball is fading and another person says his still hooks the house.  Its a normal phenonemen.

But I just want to recommend anyone using this ball to clean the ball after everyset and it they do stat to lose reaction to use something like a scotch brite pad and something like Hooh-It on a spinner to get the ball hot to help keep the reaction at least better.



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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 09:52:19 AM »
Has anyone thrown a coating of Doc's Magic Elixir on their G-Force to help slow the soaking up the oil process?  My G-Force is on the way and I plan on given er a bath in the Elixir before it even sees a lane!


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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 01:03:58 PM »
does anybody find the ball a little unforgiving? I've drilled the pin under the ring finger. The only problem i find with the ball is that if I throw it right the ball reacts very nicely but if i lose my concentration and throw it a little off the ball doesn't come back at all. With my hrg even if i throw it a little bit off i can get away with it but not with the g-force. Maybe i need to practice a bit more and get a more consistent throw but just wondering if anybody noticed any similar issues when the release is just a little off?

I also find ball reaction very irratic if there is not enough oil. In heavy oil its perfect but after a game or so when the lane starts to dry towards the medium oil level the ball gets a bit irratic which forces me to change balls.
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2007, 04:41:06 AM »
when polished, you do need to find some drier boards, but again, it allows the ball to get cleaner through the heads.....i think you need to tweak the coverstock for your lanes,as i have had to do. certain saws i can pull from the box and leave alone, but others like the carbide plus, tsunami, and now the g force, have really been more productive with me messing around with the coverstocks. sometimes just use a very fine pad to get that sheen, and no polish. often this is the best way, as none of the pores get clogged up. you could use anything from 1000-4000 ....hope you have high scoring!
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2007, 05:54:30 AM »
I have 18 games on my G Force and have not lost any reaction at all. I do clean all my balls after each league that I bowl.  Some of my Lane#1 balls have a ton of games on them and have not lost any reaction at all.

Now will is last like with 500 games on them is another question.
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2007, 05:26:55 PM »
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I understand the keeping the ball clean and I cleaned it before going to league.
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Here's a major false assumption. Cleaning it before league is like opening the barn door to let the horses out AFTER the barn burns down.

You should be wiping the oil off the ball after every throw, and cleaning the ball with a good ball cleaner BEFORE putting the ball back into the bag after league play is over.

Columbia dull coverstocks absorb oil as fast as any other industry coverstock, as far as I know. Preventing that, as far as humanly possible, IS ball maintenance today.
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2007, 05:31:38 PM »
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I find it interesting how loss of ball reaction has swung from blaming the manufacturer to blaming the consumer.



No, the consumer has always had to do his part as far as resin balls are concerned. We;ve just gotten to the point where we realize it is not ENTIRELY the manufacturer's fault. We/Bowlers always want stronger reacting balls; well, one of the keys is higher absorption rates. What's that phrase,
"Be careful what you ask for; you may get it." ?

Well, we got exactly what we asked for.

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Nicanor has owned many balls and bowled on many different conditions.I'm positive he knows how to clean a ball.
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Well, based on what he said explicitly above, in one of his follow-ups, I'd say he doesn't know when to clean it, which is as important as how. I based my reply on exactly what he said, not what he may have implied. If he is doing as I said he should, then I retract it. If not, ....
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2007, 07:38:26 PM »
Oh No, My ball ain't hoookin....

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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2007, 07:38:43 PM »
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You should be wiping the oil off the ball after every throw, and cleaning the ball with a good ball cleaner BEFORE putting the ball back into the bag after league play is over.



What happens if you put that oily ball in your bag? Does the oil absorb so deep into the ball that no cleaner can get it out as goes about the dastardy deed of choking the life out of the coverstock?
I respect your opinion but I'm not buying into this theory without some proof.It may be an easier task right after bowling but not a case of too late damage done.I believe with a good cleaner clean is clean weather it be one minute or several hours later.I clean my equipment when I have the time and so far I have not had a ball die out any sooner than the wipe it as it comes out of the ball return guys.

I always equated high performance bowling balls to racing tires.It's the nature of the genre to wear out more quickly.But if the rubber wears off the rim as I leave the store I'm gonna look for a longer lasting tire with similar performance and warn my racing buddies about the short life span.
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2007, 08:30:43 PM »
I'm guilty of not cleaning my equipment immediately after use. I normaly clean them after I get home, but by then all visible oil is gone & only dirt & smudge remains to be cleaned. What happened to the oil? Did it evaporate or soak into the ball?
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2007, 08:40:39 PM »
Charlest,

For years I have carried a bowling ball cleaning towell with me.  I can remember the first time I started using one, I would always leave it on the rack and one of my teammates would throw it me everytime, in fun, to remind me to take my towell with me when I leave the ball return area.  Now I pick my towell up religously when leaving the lne/ball return area.  I wipe my ball off after before every shot, but unfortunately, the bowlers won't let me wait for the ball after I throw at the spare or after a strike so that I can take my ball off the rack to clean it.

I bowl three times a week (at least) and I always do maintenance on the bowling balls before going to the lanes or the night before.

I've had the Solid Uranium for quite a while now and I have done this same practice for quite a while.  The reaction on the SU has been much more consistant through the years then the G-Force in just a sample of the games that I threw with the SU and especially the Ebonite XXXL.

I will continue to work with the G-Force because I really liked the reaction I have with the polished one.  I will work with the surface with the stronger drilled G-Force to see if I can find a method that works for me to keep the G-Force working in the heavier oil.

Thank you for all the replies.


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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2007, 08:43:27 PM »
it is made by Columbia so.........
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2007, 05:37:54 PM »
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I'm guilty of not cleaning my equipment immediately after use. I normaly clean them after I get home, but by then all visible oil is gone & only dirt & smudge remains to be cleaned. What happened to the oil? Did it evaporate or soak into the ball?
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It soaked into the ball.
If it evaporated that quickly, there would be no way to keep oil on the lanes all day.
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Re: Anyone else loosing reaction with the G-Force quickly??
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2007, 05:48:15 PM »
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You should be wiping the oil off the ball after every throw, and cleaning the ball with a good ball cleaner BEFORE putting the ball back into the bag after league play is over.



What happens if you put that oily ball in your bag? Does the oil absorb so deep into the ball that no cleaner can get it out as goes about the dastardy deed of choking the life out of the coverstock?
I respect your opinion but I'm not buying into this theory without some proof.



Proof of what? How fast oil is absorbed by resin?
It's NOT a theory.
See Ebonite's new resins starting with the One series. They documented how fast the oil is absorbed.

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It may be an easier task right after bowling but not a case of too late damage done.I believe with a good cleaner clean is clean weather it be one minute or several hours later.I clean my equipment when I have the time and so far I have not had a ball die out any sooner than the wipe it as it comes out of the ball return guys.



That is not proof of anything but a string of decent luck. Plus some balls, like DynoThane Soakers and Legends balls, just do last longer before they need to be rejuvenated. I have a Riot Zone with over 1000 games on it; it has their Proactve 2.0 particle coverstock, designed to absorb les soil. The darn thing still hooks an incredible amount.

You can clean the ball to get dirt off, but you can't bring oil to the surface with any cleaner except maybe Clean and Dull. And C&D still won't the oil from the deeper layers of the resin, only that just barely below the surface.

Besides, you will never see a ball just die. It loses performance at a slow rate in general. It's the same as a track developing; you never see the ball all of a sudden hooking early.  WHat you will see is, once the ball is re-surfaced, it will go much longer on the same oil than it did before. The same is true with oil absorption. Once the ball is rejuvenated, it will just start hooking almost as much as if it were new.


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