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adman

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Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:57:33 AM »
Happy New Year All.

Just looking for insight. How do you think one of Morich's Asymmetrical Flip layouts would work on a SuperNova? I know the SuperNova does not have as strong of a MB as most Morich balls but I was just wondering.

I was originally going to lay it out with the pin 4 1/2 X 2 1/2 which would put the pin over my ring finger and the MB right on my VAL. The ball has a 3.25 inch pin with 3.5 oz of top.

I already have two SuperNovas drilled up. One with the pin in the midline and under the fingers with the CG kicked out a bit with no weight hole ( 5 x 4 ), and it is has a strong arc type of roll. The other is drilled almost stacked (3.5 x 3) and I didn't care for that layout very much.

Any opinions? I was just looking for decent length nothing that rolls up too early, with a strong continuous backend.

Thanks
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2008, 04:16:15 PM »
i have mine 4 1/2 pin to and mb 6 inch to pap, personally the ball has almost no flip in it. I would put the mb in stronger position if i did it again, ball is weaker and alot more rolly than i believed it was going to be.
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T-GOD

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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2008, 04:39:46 PM »
adman, that will be a very strong drill on the ball. Should work well on oil. =:^D
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adman

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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2008, 05:44:55 PM »
T-God, sorry are you referring to the original layout I mentioned or one of the Asymmetrical Flip Layouts?

Thanks

Mrbowlingnut, I kinda noticed that with my first SuperNova, that's why I want to lay this one out more aggressive.
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2008, 04:18:20 AM »
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triggerman

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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2008, 07:46:00 AM »
believe it or not, some of the strongest supernovas i have seen, both solid and xp's have been laid out with a label drill resulting in the mass bias on the left side of thumb
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MegaMav

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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2008, 07:55:48 AM »
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believe it or not, some of the strongest supernovas i have seen, both solid and xp's have been laid out with a label drill resulting in the mass bias on the left side of thumb


That really doesnt tell anyone anything.
My middle finger is next to my ring finger.
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2008, 08:08:56 AM »
come on mav in the real world of bowling not just the know it alls here at Ballreviews if a guy goes into his shop and says i want a label drilling 90% yes thats right 90% of drillers will know EXACTLY what he is talking about.  should i be more specific for the educated on this site well then sure how bout this

pin 3.375 from pap, 2" above grip center line with mass bias at 7" from pap


or better yet how bout a dual angle layout for the other purist here

pin 3.375 at 50* to val with mb at 115* is that better


(of course none of those numbers make sense since i have not nor do i I know this gentlemans pap, knowing that I can be more realistic on the angles)

All I am saying is when someone says label WE ALL know what it means.  give me a break
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2008, 08:20:55 AM »
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All I am saying is when someone says label WE ALL know what it means.  give me a break


No, we dont, because "label drill" means nothing in the context in which it was used.

Im going to start calling it "lazy drill", because thats exactly what it sounds like.

There are people/drillers/proshop operators on here who are capable of producing quality technical posts but make the choice to "dumb it down", like people cant handle it. Wake up, people in general are more intelligent than you think. "Dumbing it down" only hurts the people getting the ball, results may vary based on PAP. But you knew that.
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2008, 09:22:05 AM »
adman, I was referring to the 4 1/2 x 2 1/2 layout you were originally going with. =:^D
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 09:58:21 AM »
indeed on the SNs drilling/layout sheet the drilling formerly known as "Label" (haha) is given the stronges numbers...

and what yould you call this layout?

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/59/5585759/400_6431336631666164.jpg

Its my compromise of a stacked and a label ... and the ball runs "stable" Wuhhaahahahahahahaha!

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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 10:13:12 AM »
Wow,

Thanks for all of the suggestions.

I have heard alot of good things about "label" drillings on Lane#1 balls, but have have never tried one out. I guess mainly because I have heard negative things as well. Now I'm somewhat tempted to try a label drilling but I have always heard "label" could be over under at times.

Now I'm torn between my original choice and label

Thanks again everyone
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 10:21:48 AM »
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No, we dont, because "label drill" means nothing in the context in which it was used.

Im going to start calling it "lazy drill", because thats exactly what it sounds like.

There are people/drillers/proshop operators on here who are capable of producing quality technical posts but make the choice to "dumb it down", like people cant handle it. Wake up, people in general are more intelligent than you think. "Dumbing it down" only hurts the people getting the ball, results may vary based on PAP. But you knew that.


Can't you say the same thing about the famous Brunswick rico drill?  Pin in grip center may only have one definition, but certainly can mean quite a few different things based on your PAP.
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 10:27:07 AM »
I have gotten into this with a few posts over the years, i have owned most every saw made for the last 9 years. For me stacked layouts on the diamond or bomb core had virtually no hook no matter the pin to pap distance.

Tilting the core either label or 45 degrees has resulted in much improved reactions, i believe it the core shape that dictates this over diff number or rg numbers. This seems to work better on diamond core shapes slightly over bomb shapes, my supernova is pretty stacked in a row not what i really wanted but i forgot to tell my driller my crazy theory about saw cores.



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Wow,

Thanks for all of the suggestions.

I have heard alot of good things about "label" drillings on Lane#1 balls, but have have never tried one out. I guess mainly because I have heard negative things as well. Now I'm somewhat tempted to try a label drilling but I have always heard "label" could be over under at times.

Now I'm torn between my original choice and label

Thanks again everyone
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Re: Asymmetrical Flip Drilling on SuperNova
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2008, 11:04:27 AM »
mrbowlingnut,

I went through the same thing...tried a few stacked drills (diamond and bomb cores both) and had absolutely no luck whatsoever. I had success with both "Label 1:30" drills, as well as CG out drills.

I decided to give the stacked drill one more try on the Supernova, and it has worked out very well. I cannot explain why this is the only stacked ball I like, but it's true. I decided to go with a label drill on the XP (for more length), and it works very well also.

There is definitely a certain amount of trial and error involved.
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