Post by: adman on January 03, 2008, 07:57:33 AM
Just looking for insight. How do you think one of Morich's Asymmetrical Flip layouts would work on a SuperNova? I know the SuperNova does not have as strong of a MB as most Morich balls but I was just wondering.
I was originally going to lay it out with the pin 4 1/2 X 2 1/2 which would put the pin over my ring finger and the MB right on my VAL. The ball has a 3.25 inch pin with 3.5 oz of top.
I already have two SuperNovas drilled up. One with the pin in the midline and under the fingers with the CG kicked out a bit with no weight hole ( 5 x 4 ), and it is has a strong arc type of roll. The other is drilled almost stacked (3.5 x 3) and I didn't care for that layout very much.
Any opinions? I was just looking for decent length nothing that rolls up too early, with a strong continuous backend.
Thanks
Post by: mrbowlingnut on January 03, 2008, 04:16:15 PM
Post by: T-GOD on January 03, 2008, 04:39:46 PM
Post by: adman on January 03, 2008, 05:44:55 PM
Thanks
Mrbowlingnut, I kinda noticed that with my first SuperNova, that's why I want to lay this one out more aggressive.
Post by: adman on January 04, 2008, 04:18:20 AM
Post by: triggerman on January 04, 2008, 07:46:00 AM
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Post by: MegaMav on January 04, 2008, 07:55:48 AM
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believe it or not, some of the strongest supernovas i have seen, both solid and xp's have been laid out with a label drill resulting in the mass bias on the left side of thumb
That really doesnt tell anyone anything.
My middle finger is next to my ring finger.
Post by: triggerman on January 04, 2008, 08:08:56 AM
pin 3.375 from pap, 2" above grip center line with mass bias at 7" from pap
or better yet how bout a dual angle layout for the other purist here
pin 3.375 at 50* to val with mb at 115* is that better
(of course none of those numbers make sense since i have not nor do i I know this gentlemans pap, knowing that I can be more realistic on the angles)
All I am saying is when someone says label WE ALL know what it means. give me a break
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Post by: MegaMav on January 04, 2008, 08:20:55 AM
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All I am saying is when someone says label WE ALL know what it means. give me a break
No, we dont, because "label drill" means nothing in the context in which it was used.
Im going to start calling it "lazy drill", because thats exactly what it sounds like.
There are people/drillers/proshop operators on here who are capable of producing quality technical posts but make the choice to "dumb it down", like people cant handle it. Wake up, people in general are more intelligent than you think. "Dumbing it down" only hurts the people getting the ball, results may vary based on PAP. But you knew that.
Post by: T-GOD on January 04, 2008, 09:22:05 AM
Post by: Grayson on January 04, 2008, 09:58:21 AM
and what yould you call this layout?
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/59/5585759/400_6431336631666164.jpg
Its my compromise of a stacked and a label ... and the ball runs "stable"
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Post by: adman on January 04, 2008, 10:13:12 AM
Thanks for all of the suggestions.
I have heard alot of good things about "label" drillings on Lane#1 balls, but have have never tried one out. I guess mainly because I have heard negative things as well. Now I'm somewhat tempted to try a label drilling but I have always heard "label" could be over under at times.
Now I'm torn between my original choice and label
Thanks again everyone
Post by: Strider on January 04, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
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No, we dont, because "label drill" means nothing in the context in which it was used.
Im going to start calling it "lazy drill", because thats exactly what it sounds like.
There are people/drillers/proshop operators on here who are capable of producing quality technical posts but make the choice to "dumb it down", like people cant handle it. Wake up, people in general are more intelligent than you think. "Dumbing it down" only hurts the people getting the ball, results may vary based on PAP. But you knew that.
Can't you say the same thing about the famous Brunswick rico drill? Pin in grip center may only have one definition, but certainly can mean quite a few different things based on your PAP.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on January 04, 2008, 10:27:07 AM
Tilting the core either label or 45 degrees has resulted in much improved reactions, i believe it the core shape that dictates this over diff number or rg numbers. This seems to work better on diamond core shapes slightly over bomb shapes, my supernova is pretty stacked in a row not what i really wanted but i forgot to tell my driller my crazy theory about saw cores.
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Wow,
Thanks for all of the suggestions.
I have heard alot of good things about "label" drillings on Lane#1 balls, but have have never tried one out. I guess mainly because I have heard negative things as well. Now I'm somewhat tempted to try a label drilling but I have always heard "label" could be over under at times.
Now I'm torn between my original choice and label
Thanks again everyone
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 04, 2008, 11:04:27 AM
I went through the same thing...tried a few stacked drills (diamond and bomb cores both) and had absolutely no luck whatsoever. I had success with both "Label 1:30" drills, as well as CG out drills.
I decided to give the stacked drill one more try on the Supernova, and it has worked out very well. I cannot explain why this is the only stacked ball I like, but it's true. I decided to go with a label drill on the XP (for more length), and it works very well also.
There is definitely a certain amount of trial and error involved.
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Post by: GTX on January 04, 2008, 01:20:47 PM
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believe it or not, some of the strongest supernovas i have seen, both solid and xp's have been laid out with a label drill resulting in the mass bias on the left side of thumb
actually, this is very correct. I have one drilled extreme label that the MB is very close to the track. This resulted in a skid and sudden snap at the backend. The first time I tested this ball it looked like a dead ball with no energy and when it got closer to the pins the ball became very alive
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Post by: adman on January 04, 2008, 06:30:08 PM
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 04, 2008, 08:42:18 PM
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Yes, I've noticed that on most of Lane#1's drill sheets, their label layout is the strongest the majority of the time. But they hardly use a label layout on any of their ball videos.
The Label layout generally gives good length, and strong backend.
Mike (the bowler in the Lane #1 videos) does not have a high rev rate (when his thumb is in the ball), so it stands to reason he would drill the balls to get into a roll earlier.
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Post by: adman on January 04, 2008, 10:57:52 PM