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JessN16

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On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« on: January 16, 2006, 12:40:38 PM »
I'm going to try to bring this back up in a more serious thread, since one of them has turned into a flame war. I'm looking for answers on what happened Sunday.

First of all, I'm not a Lane #1 guy. That's not to say I haven't used Lane #1 equipment and liked it. I bought a Buzzsaw C/2 pearl, the red one, when it first came out. I put 300 or more games on that ball, loved it, and then gave it to a teammate who was learning how to throw a hook. He's put about 200 games on it since then, and he loves it too. Getting 500 games -- good ones -- out of a ball is something to be proud of. I've never been one to criticize Lane #1 for overcharging as a result of my real-life test.

However, I've recently had a very bad experience with a Lane #1 ball and what was happening to Chris Loschetter was exactly what happened to me. I bought a Golden Nugget earlier this year and had it drilled up at the start of league season with the thought of making it my primary ball. I throw the ball a great deal like Loschetter does in terms of speed, axis and (going off what he was *trying* to do Sunday) preferred line to the pocket.

Well, I finally gave up about three weeks ago after my average dipped about 10-15 pins from last year. When I first got the ball, I tried using it in box condition. It simply refused to hook very much at all, no matter what line or speed I was trying at the time. I bought it wanting a ball that would give me a smooth, powerful arc; what I got was a weak reaction, but good hitting power on the off occasion when I actually made it to the pocket.

I had my pro adjust the surface (dulling it), and this helped. But I was still limited to down-and-in lines, mostly. I bowl in a house with a medium to medium-wet shot.

I continued to work with it at home, scuffing it with a pad and trying it the next week, and so on. I never could get the ball to stop over/under (usually under), and after a dozen weeks or so, my confidence in the ball was just shot. I sold it not long ago.

What made me post this is the reaction (or lack of) that Loschetter was getting from his equipment mirrored almost exactly what I was getting from my Nugget. I realize Loschetter didn't just waltz into the TV finals, so he had to bowl well with something all week.

I guess what frustrates me is that I'd like to use Lane #1 equipment at some point again down the road, but I worry that my problems were due to some kind of surface issue with Lane #1 equipment that makes it imperative the bowler is very accurate. I'd like to be, but I'm not. I average 190, but I need a ball with some recovery. My Nugget didn't have it. When I was spot-on, I usually got rewarded, but if I was off by a fraction, bye-bye.

And, of course, the price of Lane #1 equipment makes it too risky for me to try something else until I'm sure I can get a reasonable experience out of it the next time. I also agree with others that think Loschetter should have changed balls, and that most of his problems Sunday were of his own doing. But then again, I'd assume Chris Loschetter is far more accurate than me, a lowly league bowler, and he wouldn't have the same kind of operator error problems I have. Has Lane #1 made some kind of major change in its coverstock construction?

Jess

 

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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2006, 09:42:29 PM »
Jess,

I think what was happening to Chris L was quite possibly NOT what is happening to you and the GN. Chris was very inaccurate for that oil pattern and the line he was playing. The line you played also dictatated where the out of bounds was with that striped oil pattern.

With your GN, it sounds like it was too mild a ball for your oil pattern. The GN is for the average bowler a medium-light to as much as medium oil pattern. It is not really for more than medium or for long medium oil. It is a highly polished and low flaring ball. I think you might need a duller solid resin or a polished solid particle ball OR, possibly just a stronger, earlier rolling drilling on your GN. I can't say if it was drilled differently from your red pearl Buzzsaw or the lane oil changed at your house.
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JessN16

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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2006, 09:59:44 PM »
Thanks. The drillings on both balls were similar, although the GN's pin wasn't as far out as it was on my C/2.

I'm not as well-versed in describing the way my stuff is drilled as some are here. Usually, it's pin over the ring finger and a little to the right of it, with CG under the ring and to the right. Both Lane #1 balls were drilled this way.

It's gone now, though. Once I sold it, I had two balls drilled up (Storm Dark Thunder and Roto Grip Silver Streak SE) and I'm getting a much better reaction with each. I start with the Dark Thunder and move to the SSSE late in the set.

I may try another Lane #1 ball down the road, but I've got my arsenal set right now and I'm comfortable for the first time all year. It probably was my fault for wanting the GN to do something it wasn't built to do.

Jess

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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2006, 10:13:46 PM »
i'm pretty sure if chris felt that ball wasn't going to be the ball he needed he would have used something else.  He's good enough to recognize what he should or shouldn't use, i just think he bowled bad, plain and simple.
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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2006, 05:38:36 AM »
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It's gone now, though. Once I sold it, I had two balls drilled up (Storm Dark Thunder and Roto Grip Silver Streak SE) and I'm getting a much better reaction with each. I start with the Dark Thunder and move to the SSSE late in the set.



That sort of cinches it: both are stronger than the GN, the Dark Thunder, much stronger, the SS-SE has a significantly stronger core and a slightly stronger, more flexible cover

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I may try another Lane #1 ball down the road, but I've got my arsenal set right now and I'm comfortable for the first time all year. It probably was my fault for wanting the GN to do something it wasn't built to do.
Jess


I had done that before - sold a ball I wasn't happy with. If you can afford it, keep the next one for use on some other condition. In its element, the GN is one heck of powerful hitting ball.
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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2006, 07:29:32 AM »
If you noticed, Chris L had his saw drilled witht he pin under his middle finger and CG kicked out.  In my opinion this lets a player play a little straighter.  Personally, I actually agreed with Pederson on the commentary tha Chris should have tried to move left.  Besides, that pattern is definitely a tough pattern.  Also, you have to take into consideration how people react when they are under the lights.  I do believe that was Chris L's 2nd or 3rd show on TV.  Perhaps it take ssome people longer to get used to being in that kind of environment.  You can't assume the ball is bad from watching even a great bowler use it on a very tough condition.  That Elite ball that Duke was throwing however, VERY BAD BALL, sorry I hate Elite.

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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2006, 10:12:20 AM »
picture of drilling: http://www.bowlingballexchange.com//upload_files/loschetterlayout.JPG
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Re: On Loschetter, ball reax, and Golden Nuggets...
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2006, 11:38:51 AM »
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I had done that before - sold a ball I wasn't happy with. If you can afford it, keep the next one for use on some other condition. In its element, the GN is one heck of powerful hitting ball.
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I can see that; like I said before, I never complained about carry, *WHEN* I could get it to the pocket. When it hit, it hit in a big way. Getting it there almost drove me nuts, though.

Jess