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Equipment Boards => Lane #1 => Topic started by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on July 22, 2003, 04:56:08 PM
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http://lane1bowling.com/whatnext/
Too bad it's not under their ball category just yet...
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The Black Cherry is most likely going to be like most solid reactives. It should grab the lane earlier than the Cherry and have more of an arc on the backend, rather than the snap. While I'm sure it will be a fine ball, I don' think that it can be nearly as good as the CB. The thing that made the
CB so great is that it was a pearl that could cover a very good amount of oil, provided the backends were clean. I think that Black Cherry is going to be just like a lot of solid reactives, just with better hit. Just my opinion. I guess we'll soon find out.
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Bowling is without a doubt the dumbest, most pointless, most idiotic excuse for a game that has ever been invented. So, what time are we bowling tomorrow?
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I will have the SOlid Cherrys in early next week and ready to ship by midweek.
I have a bunch coming so lemme know!!!!
$199 shipped!!!!!
email me!!!
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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You can say that again Jbowl13...oh wait you did. LOL
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I see the Black Cherry being to the Cherry Pearl as the ER was to the trauma.
Get a little more bite in the mids and smoother breakpoint.
I cant wait!!!!!
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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I will have a bunch of the new Blk/Chry. Bomb Saws in stock, let me know if interested.
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themezz,
Blockbuster dropships them. so they save some shipping costs. you do know what drop shipping is?
$10.00 means you get real inventory items not backorders via a middleman.
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"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny
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That is correct, Blockbuster does not stock the Buzzsaws, they just drop ship them.
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Keep in mind that drop shipping also means that the seller never sees the ball AND cannot guarantee specs.
If I wanted to drop ship I could drop my price $10 too but I want to see the balls before I sell them. I have had a few balls from different companies have flat spots on them or the boxes were labelled wrong etc.
I like to be sure of what my customers are getting. If they want to save $10, no prob I can have it drop shipped but I cannot guarantee specs then.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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Themezz, go buy from Buddies and Blockbuster. Who cares. I can't speak for Doug and Drill Wizzard, but I know that if I was one of them, it would make me happy to see you buy elswhere so that I wouldn't have to deal and listen to a whinner. Remember, you get what you pay for.........and unless I am mistaken, Blockbuster abd Budddies don't guarantee the exact Pin size and things like that. I believe their ad says something like "as close as possible." On balls that are dropped shipped, there is no way they can guarantee you the exact Pin size as they aren't there to open the box and check the ball. Ditto for flat spots and things of that sort as Doug pointed out......And do you think the factory is going to open a bunch of boxes trying to fine exactly what you want? Think again. If you want for example a 2" Pin, they are going to ship a box that says 2"-3" so the ball you get might have a 2" Pin and again it might be a 3" Pin......and the factory isn't going to open every box checking for flat spots or any other kind of defect, but the Pro Shop operator like Doug is going to check it out before shipping, I know, as I just bought a ball from Doug.
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It is nice to see that you guys are still out there pouncing me.
Quit giving people reasons to pounce you & it will cease to happen.
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Gene Kanak wrote:
The Black Cherry is most likely going to be like most solid reactives. It should grab the lane earlier than the Cherry and have more of an arc on the backend, rather than the snap.
Gene,
I really wonder about that. Remember the core on this ball is VERY low RG, 2.49, and Huge RG Differential, .063 ot .071; that translates into 8" or more of potential flare. Unless that cover is very mild, this ball should have a huge and early hook, even drilled mild. Unless you place the pin at 6"+ or 2" or less, or have extremely low revs, this ball should flare a lot. What I am getting at is I think this will not be "like most solid reactives".
I don't know how this solid cover differs from the PK 18 of the ___berry (blackberry/blueberry/cranberry) balls, but if it's grabbier than the PK 18, it *should* be anything but standard!
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
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To answer your question mezz, yes I do try open every box I get in. I did miss 1 of the old urethane Hammers I got in for someone the one day though. Compensation was made and that was it.
Most people who buy balls from me can verify this fact because I cross out the factory pin placement on the box and write in the EXACT pin placement when I get the ball.
Storm is notorious for longer than stated pins. Severla of the X-Factor ReLoadeds I just got in said "2.5-3" on the box but when I opened them they were 3-1/4, 3-1/2 etc. I even had one marked 3-3.5 and it was a 4-1/8 pin!!!
So it pays to check things.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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Guess what? Block Buster Bowling changd their price on the Black Cherry Bomb to $199.95. They raised it $10.00!!!!!!!
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Edited on 7/25/2003 12:24 PM
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My reply to this post is not to bash Lane 1 but:
Every time I order a Lane 1 ball I ask for a 3-4 pin, every time I call Lane 1 and ask them to ship me a ball or call an on line pro shop to send me a ball with the specs I wanted, I always got a ball with a 2 inch pin. I never got the 3-4 inch pin i was looking for. That was the reason I started ordering bowling balls from Pchee2, he also looks at every ball for correct specs before shipping. Pchee2 doesn't work with Lane 1 bowling balls so now I order from Drill Wizard or Doug and I will glady pay the extra 10 dollars to get a ball with the specs I requested.
V/R,
Nicanor
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Has anyone ever noticed that almost of all the whinners and complainers never have a profile?
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Most people who buy balls from me can verify this fact because I cross out the factory pin placement on the box and write in the EXACT pin placement when I get the ball.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
This is true. Doug is very thorough.
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Penn State Proud
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So Mezz what you are telling me is that less than 15% of the ball's reaction is due to the core design? So you are saying it is 85% tires and 15% motor?
If you are so correct then why do companies spend so much R&D time on cores yet they use the same coverstocks over and over and over again? Columbia has used SuperFlex forever and Brunswick has used PowerKoil for almost as long. Why all of the cores then???
If you search around on any lane you can find a place to play if you have a ball drilled to get into a roll. A good bowler is fully capable of adjusting the hand position and release to get the ball to push or start sooner if needed.
It is also proven that the proper angle is what generates strikes. that angle is generated by the core tilt and how quickly the ball reaches it stabilized axis. Mo Pinel says it best...core shape determines motion.
I'll give you that 60% of the ball reaction is coverstock. 25% core and layout and 15% bowler. Yes coverstock matters but not 85-90%. You need horsepower to race but it doesnt work if you cant get it to the ground. Yes tires are needed but the motor has more than 15% effect on things.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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Mezz, if you're saying that balls do not hook, then I will say that lanes do not hook. Bowlers make the hook. I would say that in todays world, every company has close to the same resin.
So, it's more the core and core angle that will give you the reaction you're looking for. You can pretty much kill the reation of any ball if you put the core 6 3/4" from your PAP. Or, almost every ball will hook if you drill it max leverage.
So, I believe the core and/or drilling makes up about 50% of the ball reaction, if not more. =:^D
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Drilling a ball 3 3/8 (max leverage)from the postitive axis point (PAP) will not make the ball hook more. All this does is create more imbalance by increasing the track flare which moves the breakpoint closer to your eyes.
this is totally off base...increased imbalance causes the ball to lose speed sooner so it starts it's hook sooner....the loss of speed is induced by the rotational torque of the core not wanting to do what you are trying to make it do. This imbalance causes the ball to flare and thereby letting the ball roll over an un-oiled ball track and allowing more friction to help the ball hook more. It has nothing to do with moving the breakpoint closer to your eyes and making it look like it hooks more.
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Yes, drilling does make up a small percentage of ball reaction because the ball is out of balance and is looking for its prefrerred spin axis(PSA) to get basically into balance and during this migration period is where the ball makes its biggest move.
If drilling only has a small part to do with it, then why will ball drilled sat 4x4 and pin axis act so much differently? The core layout and dynamics cause the difference.
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Bowling balls do not hook in oil because there is no friction.
All these big load particle balls do is slow the ball down from sliding too much and lose speed as you still need friction for the ball to hook.
While this is true, the loss of speed will cause the ball to start it's attempt at changing direction sooner and therefore get the ball rotating in the proper direction and start it's hooking motion. When you use a heavy load particle on lanes that are too dry, it starts it's change of direction too soon, the ball reaches it's PSA too quickly and then rolls out because it has no more imbalance left to continue hooking.
The new balls are way different from teh classics although the classic still hold true...whay was the Black Hammer the ball to have over the Black U Dot? The core design caused it to start to rill sooner and had a better reaction on the lanes.
I still agree with the early Storm ratings of :
60% cover
25% core and layout
15% bowler and lane conditions
you have every right to disagree mezz but I have a right to my opinion as well. I have been to enough ball seminars to understand the physics of it all (Bill Tayor's book "Balance" helps too...thanks pnj1967!!!!) and it helps that I had a few physics courses in my day :-) See being a science teacher does pay off!!!
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
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I am no rocket scientist, and Lord knows that I am learning this layout stuff, BUT even a layout novice like myself knows that the COVER of the ball is like the tires on a car, AND without the right CORE (the engine), the car does not perform optimally. Then you take the awesome knowledge of a pro shoip driller (for my demonstration I will use my favorite; Doug Sterner), and he adds the proper, and most effective layout (the right gas), and the Engine runs the car/ball to peakness, thus allowing the tires to perform at their peak.
Dave
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If You Are Not the Lead SAW, All You Get is SAWdust!!
Edited on 7/26/2003 1:17 PM