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Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« on: September 30, 2003, 06:59:25 PM »
Has anyone drilled up a Black Cherry Bomb and been disappointed with how much it (doesn't) hooks?  I drilled it label leverage, just as my Inferno and my Cherry Bomb. After throwing it on medium-heavy and medium, I have found it go longer than the Inferno, and have about as much overall hook as the Cherry Bomb(Black Cherry rolls earlier but has less of a 'pop' on the back).  I've read many reviews  written about how much this ball hooks.  Out of the box, it seems to be a bit shiny.  Has anyone toyed with the surface and found any favorable results?  I was expecting a hook monster, and got a medium-condition ball.
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2003, 11:11:29 AM »
O, if you want more hook on oil, you should be drilling your stuff CG out, not label leverage. Label leverage gives you more length. That's not the layout you want on oilier conditions. =:^D
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2003, 11:14:01 AM »
A friend with his "shiny" Black Cherry Bomb drilled 50 degrees 4x3 layout can only use it for the most two games.  He either has to get real deep or change to the Pearl Cherry Bomb.  I don't think that the hook potential is over rated at all.
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2003, 11:18:43 AM »
T-God,
I agree with you 100 percent about CG-out drilling.  My point was that I drilled it with the same(similar) layout as the other two balls used in comparison, and it doesn't outhook either one of them.  I was expecting the cover alone to give me more than the cherry pearl, but to this point it hasn't.  I guess I won't have a true comparison until I bowl on heavier stuff, but I was a bit shocked to see how long the ball goes.  Thanks for all the input.

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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2003, 11:26:50 AM »
O, when you have different balls for different conditions, why do you want to drill all of the same? They should be drilled differently to fit the  ball and condition and not like another ball, because that ball hooks a lot.





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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2003, 11:31:03 AM »
I will give it a few more shots, but I may bring it back and kick the CG out.  Thanks everyone.
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2003, 11:42:59 AM »
O, maybe you should try sanding the cover a bit. That should help get you more hook in the oil, without having to plug it. =:^D
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2003, 11:44:18 AM »
I cleaned my Black Cherry Bomb with a light gray scotch brite pad with Clean and Dull mixed witha little water and did not re-polish the ball.  I also have Lane 1's #1 drilling, label leverage and the ball is a monster, but it does skate through heavier oil even with this surface prep.

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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2003, 12:36:21 PM »
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O, when you have different balls for different conditions, why do you want to drill all of the same? They should be drilled differently to fit the  ball and condition and not like another ball, because that ball hooks a lot.


Brickguy,

You are making unnecessary and unmarranted assumptions here. This scenario may be true sometimes for some people. It depends on the ball and the bowler and the conditions. Be careful of truisms; there are no standards with respect to how balls should be drilled.


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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2003, 01:26:27 PM »
Charlest, you could be right and probably are, as you normally are, but I disagree. Why would a person want to for example: Drill a Super Carbide Bomb "Stacked Leverage" for heavy oil and then drill all of the other balls they have, all "Stacked Leverage?" Some of those balls are going to burn up too early and roll out on the conditions they are being used on, or hook at the wrong place, or break too hard and etc. Some of those balls are going to need maybe drillings to go a little longer, rev up earlier, more angular on the backend, less angular on the backend, and so on. Stacked Drilling on every ball you own isn't going to give you that option. I'm not a knowledgable drilling expert by any means, but I do know that the same drilling on every ball I own isn't going to get the job done for me.

For a good example of what I am trying to say here, Doug Sterner posted 6 balls and 6 different drillings for 6 different conditions under Lane 1 today.
It makes sense to me to do this, but as I already said, I am no expert at this and could be wrong.





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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2003, 03:35:52 PM »
i have a black cherry drilled cg out ,pin under....i would say that it has a good curve to the pocket but wouldn't hold up on a flooded condition.i played on a sport lane shot recently,lots of oil and carry down,and it wasn't strong enough.used the scb.i would say that its a med to heavy oil ball,but alot depends on the oil pattern etc..
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2003, 04:03:43 PM »
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Charlest, you could be right and probably are, as you normally are, but I disagree. Why would a person want to for example: Drill a Super Carbide Bomb "Stacked Leverage" for heavy oil and then drill all of the other balls they have, all "Stacked Leverage?" Some of those balls are going to burn up too early and roll out on the conditions they are being used on, or hook at the wrong place, or break too hard and etc.


Again, I think you are assuming too much. If it were done for the right reason, only a fluffer or a high speed bowler would drill a SCB stacked leverage. It only makes sense for them to drill their other balls the same way, BECAUSE OF THE REASON THEY DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE and, assuming they bought the right balls for their arsenal.

If you are buying balls for 8-10 different oil patterns and mixed conditions: carrydown, out-of-bounds, yes, then it pays to think twice about different and mixed drilling options.
 


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Some of those balls are going to need maybe drillings to go a little longer, rev up earlier, more angular on the backend, less angular on the backend, and so on. Stacked Drilling on every ball you own isn't going to give you that option. I'm not a knowledgable drilling expert by any means, but I do know that the same drilling on every ball I own isn't going to get the job done for me.

For a good example of what I am trying to say here, Doug Sterner posted 6 balls and 6 different drillings for 6 different conditions under Lane 1 today.
It makes sense to me to do this, but as I already said, I am no expert at this and could be wrong.


As you imply here and as I said in my original reply, it all depends on the ball, the bowler and the condition. It may be appropriate or it may not. Always start with an open mental slate, so to speak, implying an open mind. Drilling and balls is part science and part art. I dare not estimate the percentages.

IF one has a normal arsenal of 2 - 4 strike balls, AND if your selection is such that each ball's basic design is different enough, THEN the drilling for each ball makes less and less of a difference, IN GENERAL. If one is playing with 18 - 20 balls as do many, many people here at ballreviews, drillings become more and more important. (And bowlers become more and more obsessed with drillings and less with the basic design of the ball.) We have seen 135 and 155 bowlers here asking how they should drill each of their 5 or 6 balls. Ludicrous!
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2003, 04:20:48 PM »
i agree with the above---if you have 15-20 balls,you can have two of the same drilled differently....if u have 4 balls,coverstock and core may be more critical for lane conditions than drillings alone.....
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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2003, 04:25:39 PM »
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We have seen 135 and 155 bowlers here asking how they should drill each of their 5 or 6 balls. Ludicrous!
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Yeah, and to think I only carry 3-4 balls and some days like yesterday (a horrible 181-171-180=532) I can't seem to throw any of them no matter how they are drilled.





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Re: Black Cherry Bomb overrated?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2003, 05:05:48 PM »
Charlest,
That is exactly the reason why I drilled it label leverage.  I spoke with my driller and he thought that the coverstock alone would make a big enough difference, rather than to have to stack leverage.  Thus, I tend to drill my equipment similarly(not across the board, but close). Brickguy isn't wrong, it is just a matter of opinion.  I generally can get more movement out of a ball than most people. Where I generally don't have the need to stack a ball for the range of conditions I play on (tournaments not withstanding), many people using the same equipment on the same conditions do.  So, in my original post, I should've stated that the cover of the Black Cherry Bomb alone does not make it hook much more than the Cherry Bomb, at least for me.
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