Post by: O on September 30, 2003, 06:59:25 PM
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Dominic A. Pelc
Edited on 10/1/2003 10:17 AM
Post by: T-GOD on October 01, 2003, 11:11:29 AM
Post by: A_P_K on October 01, 2003, 11:14:01 AM
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In the old days people used to cut wood with axes.....................now and days...............they just have Executioners do it for them!
Pin_Krusher IS a serious threat to modern day bowling wood as we know it today.
Post by: O on October 01, 2003, 11:18:43 AM
I agree with you 100 percent about CG-out drilling. My point was that I drilled it with the same(similar) layout as the other two balls used in comparison, and it doesn't outhook either one of them. I was expecting the cover alone to give me more than the cherry pearl, but to this point it hasn't. I guess I won't have a true comparison until I bowl on heavier stuff, but I was a bit shocked to see how long the ball goes. Thanks for all the input.
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Dominic A. Pelc
Edited on 10/1/2003 11:28 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on October 01, 2003, 11:26:50 AM
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: O on October 01, 2003, 11:31:03 AM
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Dominic A. Pelc
Post by: T-GOD on October 01, 2003, 11:42:59 AM
Post by: Nicanor on October 01, 2003, 11:44:18 AM
V/R,
Nicanor
Post by: charlest on October 01, 2003, 12:36:21 PM
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O, when you have different balls for different conditions, why do you want to drill all of the same? They should be drilled differently to fit the ball and condition and not like another ball, because that ball hooks a lot.
Brickguy,
You are making unnecessary and unmarranted assumptions here. This scenario may be true sometimes for some people. It depends on the ball and the bowler and the conditions. Be careful of truisms; there are no standards with respect to how balls should be drilled.
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Edited on 10/1/2003 12:45 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on October 01, 2003, 01:26:27 PM
For a good example of what I am trying to say here, Doug Sterner posted 6 balls and 6 different drillings for 6 different conditions under Lane 1 today.
It makes sense to me to do this, but as I already said, I am no expert at this and could be wrong.
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: scottie on October 01, 2003, 03:35:52 PM
Post by: charlest on October 01, 2003, 04:03:43 PM
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Charlest, you could be right and probably are, as you normally are, but I disagree. Why would a person want to for example: Drill a Super Carbide Bomb "Stacked Leverage" for heavy oil and then drill all of the other balls they have, all "Stacked Leverage?" Some of those balls are going to burn up too early and roll out on the conditions they are being used on, or hook at the wrong place, or break too hard and etc.
Again, I think you are assuming too much. If it were done for the right reason, only a fluffer or a high speed bowler would drill a SCB stacked leverage. It only makes sense for them to drill their other balls the same way, BECAUSE OF THE REASON THEY DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE and, assuming they bought the right balls for their arsenal.
If you are buying balls for 8-10 different oil patterns and mixed conditions: carrydown, out-of-bounds, yes, then it pays to think twice about different and mixed drilling options.
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Some of those balls are going to need maybe drillings to go a little longer, rev up earlier, more angular on the backend, less angular on the backend, and so on. Stacked Drilling on every ball you own isn't going to give you that option. I'm not a knowledgable drilling expert by any means, but I do know that the same drilling on every ball I own isn't going to get the job done for me.
For a good example of what I am trying to say here, Doug Sterner posted 6 balls and 6 different drillings for 6 different conditions under Lane 1 today.
It makes sense to me to do this, but as I already said, I am no expert at this and could be wrong.
As you imply here and as I said in my original reply, it all depends on the ball, the bowler and the condition. It may be appropriate or it may not. Always start with an open mental slate, so to speak, implying an open mind. Drilling and balls is part science and part art. I dare not estimate the percentages.
IF one has a normal arsenal of 2 - 4 strike balls, AND if your selection is such that each ball's basic design is different enough, THEN the drilling for each ball makes less and less of a difference, IN GENERAL. If one is playing with 18 - 20 balls as do many, many people here at ballreviews, drillings become more and more important. (And bowlers become more and more obsessed with drillings and less with the basic design of the ball.) We have seen 135 and 155 bowlers here asking how they should drill each of their 5 or 6 balls. Ludicrous!
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Post by: scottie on October 01, 2003, 04:20:48 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on October 01, 2003, 04:25:39 PM
We have seen 135 and 155 bowlers here asking how they should drill each of their 5 or 6 balls. Ludicrous!
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Yeah, and to think I only carry 3-4 balls and some days like yesterday (a horrible 181-171-180=532) I can't seem to throw any of them no matter how they are drilled.
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In the old days, they used axes to chop up wood...Nowadays, they use "BUZZSAWS".
Post by: O on October 01, 2003, 05:05:48 PM
That is exactly the reason why I drilled it label leverage. I spoke with my driller and he thought that the coverstock alone would make a big enough difference, rather than to have to stack leverage. Thus, I tend to drill my equipment similarly(not across the board, but close). Brickguy isn't wrong, it is just a matter of opinion. I generally can get more movement out of a ball than most people. Where I generally don't have the need to stack a ball for the range of conditions I play on (tournaments not withstanding), many people using the same equipment on the same conditions do. So, in my original post, I should've stated that the cover of the Black Cherry Bomb alone does not make it hook much more than the Cherry Bomb, at least for me.
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Dominic A. Pelc
Post by: Doug Sterner on October 03, 2003, 08:48:07 AM
Too much backend or heads that are drying out will kill the Black Cherry. With the way you are talking it seems that your lane condition is conducive to a pearl resin which would say to me that there is backend to be found. IF there is backend, the Black Cherry is the wrong ball to be using unless you are in the warp 9 ball speed club.
I was having troubles last night getting my Inferno to make the corner. I pulled out the Black Cherry, threw 2 balls adn put it away. The ball was rolling way too early and overhooking.
I was never a fan of label leverage drills. They all seemed too finicky for me...perhaps it works well on pearls for you but not a solid?!?!?!?!
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Post by: T-GOD on October 03, 2003, 01:26:50 PM
Post by: O on October 03, 2003, 02:48:23 PM
This is definitely not a pin in ball, so I may heed T-God's advice. I thought about altering the cover to change the reaction, but that is a never ending battle. I may just stack leverage it to get it going earlier.
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Dominic A. Pelc