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golfnutFL

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Liberator- a limited release?
« on: January 25, 2008, 09:13:41 AM »
Well, is it? I read somewhere on here; "hurry and get one before they're all gone."
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novawagonmaster

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2008, 02:34:50 PM »
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I our center is just too dry for this ball(the XXL).

It reacts hard early and is all pooped out by the end.

I've had better luck in this particular dry midlane spot with sloppy backends by using old Rubber or the XXXL(plastic) or weak drilled low rg solid reactives drilled various versions of late....or weak.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PSS...I have not really given the XXXL that good of a trial!


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How did you have yours layed out? Was it polished?
I had mine drilled 1:30 label & on my THS(3 houses) it went long & snapped almost as hard as a pearl resin.
Unless you had it drilled low pin, dull surface, & really dry lanes, I just can't see the xxl burning up.
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Righty,
I think he must be bowling on toast.
My XXL rolled out the first time I tried using it. The lanes had not been oiled in a couple days (after two leagues and lots of open play). The ball was dead by the time it got to the arrows. On a fresh pattern, it is very long and snaps pretty hard on the squeaky backends.
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Sawuser

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2008, 02:50:57 PM »
Righty,
I think he must be bowling on toast.
My XXL rolled out the first time I tried using it. The lanes had not been oiled in a couple days (after two leagues and lots of open play). The ball was dead by the time it got to the arrows. On a fresh pattern, it is very long and snaps pretty hard on the squeaky backends.
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You're probably right! I normally used mine on fresh or slightly worn, but I will admit I never had the opportunity to try it on burnt lanes. All of my bowling friends however, would not believe it wasn't resin!
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Steven

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2008, 02:58:02 PM »
daddy: I appologize for trying to get you tied up in a rational discussion on higher performance urethane. When I read your first thoughts here:

 
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I have a ton of used urethanes in my basement that I could use. Why would I ever buy into the hype and marketing to pay big bucks for old technology?!  


As hard as it was, I should have ignored it. Novawagonmaster was right in that I shouldn't have engaged you. It was a losing proposition fron the start.
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Sawuser

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2008, 03:34:42 PM »
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That's it Steven, keep on keeping on.  I have received numerous messages from other members of the Lane #1 group that this is your usual modus operandi.  I too wish that you had ignored my post.  That way I would have left thinking you were a pompous idiot instead of being certain of it after reading your nonsense.


Your profile says your 50!?
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T-GOD

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2008, 03:55:22 PM »
Who is the one with old technology... http://www.ebonite.com/products/detail.php?PRKey=275
That's a Purple Nitro core, re-hashed and re-named with a higher price tag..!! Hmmmm... What gives..? Why all the Lane #1 bashing using old technology and not others..? =:^D

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Strider

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2008, 04:05:53 PM »
It's generally accepted that compared to a car, the cover (grip) is the tires and the core is the engine.  Even if you want to ignore the core for a bit, if the cover is 90% of the reaction (which I've never seen anyone state before), if there was a market for a Pink, Blue, Black, and Burgandy Hammers because the covers were different (maybe same/similar/different grits? don't remember), surely a Lane#1 cover would react different than a Storm cover and they would both react different than a Hammer cover.  Enough of a difference to justify a new purchase?  That's for each person to decide.

Bowling balls cost a lot more now than they did in the days of the Blue Hammer.  My Slate Blue Gargoyle was cheaper than $150, but not the $70 you can occasionally find an old Hammer for.  Even so, many are used, and most are 16# which not many throw anymore.  Now if I had access to a new 15# Blue Hammer, would I choose it over a new $150 Liberator?  Probably.  I got a great deal on a used Thunderflash several years ago, and I still have the Slate Blue Gargoyle.

Now, back to the cores.  The Tsunami is the smoothest ball I have ever rolled.  It has the same cover on it (or one so close that it's not worth mentioning) that Brunswick has on other balls.  I can only attribute it to the action of the core.  Most people regard the core as 20-30% of the ball's motion.  I also had a Blue Dot and currently have an XXXL.  While the cover's are different, I doubt there is a big difference in one polyester cover compared to any other.  Again, I attribute the difference to the core.  Sure, this is a 2 piece core compared to a pancake, but it shows that the core is important.  Compare a strong asymmetric cored ball to one with a simple symmetric one.  There are plenty of examples of both types of cores in the same cover stock.  They will roll different.

A lot of people say the bomb core rolls different than the standard diamond.  I don't own anything with the bomb core to give my opinion, but enough people say it for me to believe it.  Now if you don't want to buy a Liberator, don't, but at least do it for the right reason.  Most of us own 3-10+ resin balls.  If you bowl on certain conditions, there's nothing wrong with owning different urethane balls.
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Steven

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2008, 04:24:26 PM »
Strider: I'm getting my first Liberator drill up tomorrow. I have a second one in transit that I'll set up different from the first.

Based on what I've seen so far, it has a lot of similarities to the Thunderflash. Of course, I'm excited about the diamond core because I think it makes the ball even smoother. It really does 'hit' well, which is one of the knocks on most traditional urethanes. My driller puts more on the ball than I do, so it will be an interesting contrast to see what it does for me.
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Strider

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Re: Liberator- a limited release?
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2008, 08:18:02 PM »
Shot a nice 679 with my XXXL for 2+ games tonight.  Too dry for most balls, had a lot of over/under with my polished B/G Centaur for 8 frames, struck out 9-12 with the XXXL and had two solid games after that.  Would I have done that with my old Blue Dot?  Who knows.  I think the core matters enough to take it into consideration.
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