Post by: Mr Buzzsaw on March 03, 2008, 02:38:35 AM
I also understand that our drill sheet says this is a 9 backend, which is why some bowlers may not be happy with the result they're getting. Balls that go longer give you more backend, but if the ball goes too long, you won't realize the hook. Maybe I shouldn't have stated such a high backend rating for this layout?
I don't want customers to be dis-satisfied with our product, especially because of an improper layout. So if...
1)Deleon
2)Nicanor
3)the-7-year-itch
4)AK47
5)SprayNpray
6)nowski1381
7)SpecVspeeD03
would have you or your pro shop/driller call us for an RA(return authorization), then send their balls in to our home office listed on our website, we will gladly send you a new one to be drilled differently.
Our tech dept. will discuss the issue with your or your driller to help get you the reaction you're looking for. We look forward to resolving your ball reaction issues and will do the best we can.
Post by: smh300x26 on March 03, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
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Post by: KDawg77 on March 03, 2008, 10:44:32 AM
bump for quality service.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 03, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
Nice move
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Post by: Fatboy8 on March 03, 2008, 11:00:23 AM
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Post by: SprayNpray on March 03, 2008, 11:19:33 AM
I have been one of the more vocal users here regarding the disappointment I have had with my Buzzbomb. However, I have been fair and have sincerely tried to find out what was going on as opposed to bashing, and I am thankful that I took this approach. It is nice to see that the squeaky wheel does in fact get the grease.
I will have my proshop contact you this week.
This is why I continue to support Lane #1- I have seen over and over where Richie and his staff have gone the extra mile to make sure their customers are satisfied. Thank you for your first-class service.
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on March 03, 2008, 11:21:50 AM
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Post by: the-7-year-itch on March 03, 2008, 11:36:54 AM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 03, 2008, 11:57:02 AM
Post by: Joebowler98 on March 03, 2008, 12:09:17 PM
Great Job as usual for Richie & Chuck.
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 03, 2008, 12:09:25 PM
quote:
Sir Bowl-A-Lot-
I am right here and I guess because of my Buzz Dud post Lane # 1 is going to replace the balls for the dissatisfied people mentioned there.
I suppose you can call me the good troll of the west,huh?
Where is my thank you?
Edited on 3/3/2008 1:01 PM
themezz,
When I was referring to the Lane#1 bashers and trolls I thought that common sense would tell most people that I was referring to the fools that post absolute nonsense like how over-priced Lane#1 is and their balls are complete junk and what not. Basically the fanboys of other companies that probably have never even owned a Lane#1 ball or the ones that have nothing better to do than to waste other people's time. So in response to your post, my comment was not directed towards you since you did have a hand in getting this BuzzBomb issue rectified. So, "Thank You themezz." Can you sleep better now?
Post by: OddBalls on March 03, 2008, 12:23:13 PM
The expectations bar may have been set too high for this ball causing these problems to occur.
Kudos, Richie, for standing by your claims..
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Post by: AK47 on March 03, 2008, 01:24:24 PM
) I will be contacting you for the RA# very, very soon. THANKS AGAIN!!
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Post by: Sawuser on March 03, 2008, 01:51:11 PM
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Post by: the-7-year-itch on March 03, 2008, 01:54:14 PM
It is real. I've already talked with Richie & Chuck and my ball was sent back today. Thanks for everything guys!!
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Post by: Playmaker on March 03, 2008, 01:55:06 PM
If one believes in their product, they will back it up everyday!
Once again the Boys in Syracuse come thru...................
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Post by: Rileybowler on March 03, 2008, 01:55:28 PM
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Post by: AK47 on March 03, 2008, 02:41:30 PM
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Post by: the-7-year-itch on March 03, 2008, 02:44:54 PM
Same here...best I've ever seen.
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Post by: lefty50 on March 03, 2008, 02:58:08 PM
Very nice job....
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Post by: Midnighter on March 03, 2008, 07:33:52 PM
I really hope the new Bombs work for you guys. I know I am happy with mine.
I only have one question for MrBuzz, What's next??????
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Post by: chitown on March 03, 2008, 09:16:27 PM
Post by: scotts33 on March 03, 2008, 09:20:09 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 03, 2008, 10:14:06 PM
And this time, Richie even took it an extra step demonstrating that Lane 1 stands behind their products. My hat is off to him.
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Post by: buzzaussie299 on March 03, 2008, 11:44:34 PM
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 04, 2008, 01:14:45 AM
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Post by: absoluteisanidiot on March 04, 2008, 07:31:08 AM
Post by: triggerman on March 04, 2008, 07:55:04 AM
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Post by: Steven on March 04, 2008, 10:06:12 AM
quote:
A bought a FP from Nick that was replaced because I was not happy with the reaction from the ball. Turned out to be a cover issue and it was replaced with the twisted fury
Inverted: I'd agree that you got good customer service on your FP replacement. But there is a fundamental difference between addressing a defect in the area of a 'cover issue', and Lane#1 replacing a ball because the customer decided to go with the wrong layout.
It's yet to be determined that any of BuzzBOMBs being complained about are defective. And I'll go out on a limb and guess they probably aren't. With due respect to the posters having problems, there probably wasn't enough care and thought put into laying the balls out.
There have been too many positive reviews from credible proshop testers to consider the BB to be a condition specific 'dud':
AverageJoesProShop.com -- "We were so impressed with this ball we decided to do two videos to show its versatility".
allstarbowling.com (Joe) -- "Definitely gets into a heavy mid lane read and follows with a strong, aggressive move to the pocket".
BuddiesProShop.com (Tim) -- "Well, the teaser-ad in various magazines made very bold claims regarding the BuzzBOMB.....All the claims from the ad were confirmed when I threw this ball. This is definitely the most hook of any Buzzsaw I've thrown.....This ball was truly fun to throw".
I've been equally impressed with mine so far. I didn't think it was possible for a reactive ball to be more aggressive than the SCB, but the BuzzBOMB is.
The bottom line is that the more aggressive a ball, the more work has to be put into laying it out based on revs, speed, conditions, etc. In addressing these issues, Lane#1 is taking customer service for this farther than any other company I've dealt with.
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Post by: Rockbowler on March 04, 2008, 11:30:00 AM
quote:
It's yet to be determined that any of BuzzBOMBs being complained about are defective. And I'll go out on a limb and guess they probably aren't. With due respect to the posters having problems, there probably wasn't enough care and thought put into laying the balls out.
There have been too many positive reviews from credible proshop testers to consider the BB to be a condition specific 'dud':
How much care and thought is needed? Some people drilled the ball label which is usually safe for Lane 1 or at least, there has not been a lot of complaints about a Lane 1 ball drilled label.
Although there are positive reviews, Nicanor did surface tweaks and played different lines and the ball did not work. Other bowlers had the same experience. You cannot take away a personal experience of a bowler with a Buzzbomb, if he says it did not work, then it did not.
Is the Buzzbomb a dud? Mine is not and yours may not be but there is such a thing as a bad batch. Richie also said that he should probably not have specified that the label drill on a Buzzbomb has an expected backend of 9. And it is a credit to Richie that he gives a guarantee that a ball drilled label (that did not work for the bowler) will be replaced by Lane 1. Kudos to them.
Post by: OddBalls on March 04, 2008, 11:57:53 AM
quote:
It's yet to be determined that any of BuzzBOMBs being complained about are defective. And I'll go out on a limb and guess they probably aren't. With due respect to the posters having problems, there probably wasn't enough care and thought put into laying the balls out.
Two things:
First, I was just pointing out that I received great customer service from Nick over a ball that I was not happy with. Whether or not it was a cover issue is not material to the post. The point being that I was taken care of.
I'll go out on a limb and say it MAY WELL be a cover issue in which case a batch of them was released to the public WITHOUT anyones knowledge.
Layout issue? Pretty much a standard layout from the pictures that I've seen on the ones that were having an issue (I don't buy into the fact that a cg will have that MUCH influence on a balls reaction).
As far as condition specific? I'm just going by the reviews I've seen on the ball which pretty much states it's meant for heavier volumes of oil. You know what happens when the wrong ball meets the wrong condition.
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Post by: Steven on March 04, 2008, 12:09:02 PM
quote:
How much care and thought is needed? Some people drilled the ball label which is usually safe for Lane 1 or at least, there has not been a lot of complaints about a Lane 1 ball drilled label.
How much care? I would think a lot. The BuzzBOMB is not a skip/flip pearl that masks a lot of bowler errors. This is an aggressive heavy oil ball. It needs to be set up (based on the attributes of an individual bowler) with that in mind.
quote:
Although there are positive reviews, Nicanor did surface tweaks and played different lines and the ball did not work. Other bowlers had the same experience. You cannot take away a personal experience of a bowler with a Buzzbomb, if he says it did not work, then it did not.
Agreed. But remember there is a difference between a ball not working because it generally falls short of advertised performance capabilities, and a bowler not setting it up correctly to realize potential. They both result in a conclusion that the 'ball does not work', but clearly for different reasons.
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Is the Buzzbomb a dud? Mine is not and yours may not be but there is such a thing as a bad batch. Richie also said that he should probably not have specified that the label drill on a Buzzbomb has an expected backend of 9.
A 'Bad Batch' is always possible, but it doesn't happen often. Regardless, Lane#1 will study the returned balls to see if there something going on there. As far as the label drill, it's certainly not a pattern I would consider for this ball, but one poster reportedly really liked his and threw a 300 with it, so who knows? Layouts are a very personal thing, so I think it's dangerous to absolutely say any one pattern is a dud. Anyway, drill sheets are general recommendations and you have to evaluate them in the context of your own style and ability.
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Post by: Steven on March 04, 2008, 12:34:26 PM
quote:
First, I was just pointing out that I received great customer service from Nick over a ball that I was not happy with.
It's good to hear Nick provides great customer service. I don't always agree with him, but I have heard great things about him as a driller, so I don't doubt he'd do what he can to fix an issue.
quote:
Whether or not it was a cover issue is not material to the post.
Well, you specifically stated it was because of a cover issue (i.e. defect). And that's material because there is a difference between getting a ball replaced due to a defect and getting a ball replaced because the layout is not optimal. Not to take away from what Nick did for you, but there is a difference.
quote:
Layout issue? Pretty much a standard layout from the pictures that I've seen on the ones that were having an issue (I don't buy into the fact that a cg will have that MUCH influence on a balls reaction).
We've beaten the CGNOMADDAH thing to death, but with a required balance hole, a 'cg out' drill can react much different than a 'cg in' drill, given the same pin placement. I have two Uraniums set up with this difference, and there are very different reactions.
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Post by: OddBalls on March 04, 2008, 12:38:01 PM
quote:
We've beaten the CGNOMADDAH thing to death, but with a required balance hole, a 'cg out' drill can react much different than a 'cg in' drill, given the same pin placement. I have two Uraniums set up with this difference, and there are very different reactions.
But they still do react, which is my point. The placement of the cg is not enough to kill the reaction of the ball.
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Post by: T-GOD on March 04, 2008, 02:34:51 PM
quote:When you're talking about symmetrical cores, the so called mass-bias is 6 3/4" from the pin, through the CG in that direction. So when placing the CG in a certain position, you're actually placing the MB in specific positions. This gives you specific core angles, just like using the pin and MB placements to your PAP.
The placement of the cg is not enough to kill the reaction of the ball.
Now if you're talking about ending CG, that's a whole nother discussion. =:^D
Post by: BrunsNick on March 04, 2008, 03:08:21 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 04, 2008, 03:12:31 PM
I can put the pin next to the ring on two identcal balls...one with the CG on the PAP, and the other with the CG in the grip center. I actually did this when I had two of the Solid Uraniums. The CG axis ball will roll sooner. I believe it is due to the tilting of the core in one direction vs the other...not a static weight issue. The only thing that skews my experiment is the weight hole. The Label 1:30 ball has no x-hole, the CG axis ball has a crater on the axis. I did not think to throw them side by side before adding the x-hole. Conclusion?
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 04, 2008, 03:13:26 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 04, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 04, 2008, 03:23:01 PM
The X-Hole can enhance the differential of a bowling ball, creating an earlier rolling ball. USBC Tests showed that shifting the CG 90 degrees showed no measureable difference in ending differential or mass bias differential on a symmetrical core ball.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 04, 2008, 05:42:44 PM
Kudos to Richie and the entire gang in Syracuse!!!
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on March 04, 2008, 05:50:22 PM
I was 12 seconds away from buying a Buzz Bomb.....should have...
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Post by: T-GOD on March 04, 2008, 09:08:23 PM
As a matter of fact, how about putting the pin 6 3/4" from your PAP with the CG stacked @ 6 3/4" then on the other ball put the CG in 4" from your PAP with the pin still @ 6 3/4". Let's see the video of this. You can do this with a Brunswick ball if you wish. Just make sure it's a dull solid coverstock. =:^D
Post by: Doug Sterner on March 04, 2008, 09:18:19 PM
Take 2 balls with identical pin distances to the PAP and kick on CG to 3/4 positive side and kick the other to 3/4 negative side.
None of this 3 oz positive and 3 oz negative crap....how about it???
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 04, 2008, 09:32:29 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on March 04, 2008, 09:40:38 PM
quote:
Will anyone listen to a few of us? IF yo uare going to go into this Cg debate again let's use 2 balls where the ending sideweights are WITHIN USBC LEGAL LIMITS!!!!!
Take 2 balls with identical pin distances to the PAP and kick on CG to 3/4 positive side and kick the other to 3/4 negative side.
None of this 3 oz positive and 3 oz negative crap....how about it???
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Sounds good to me! If people are having a problem seeing a difference with 6+oz between 2 balls, there is no freakin way anyone will see a difference keeping the balls legal limits.
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Post by: Storm269 on March 04, 2008, 09:57:25 PM
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Post by: GTX on March 05, 2008, 03:09:59 AM
quote:
USBC Tests showed that shifting the CG 90 degrees showed no measureable difference in ending differential or mass bias differential on a symmetrical core ball.
actually, the USBC test showed there is a noticeable difference, numbers don't lie ..
and btw, don't forget to cut/hide those shots you don't wanna show when you do your own test
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 05, 2008, 04:07:27 AM
http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=13354&f=21
-------------------Positive CG ball -- Negative CG ball
RG for x axis -------- 2.518 -------------2.514
Total Differential ----0.047 -------------0.045
Intermediate Diff ---- 0.009> ------------0.008
RG on the PAP ---------2.554 -------------2.548
http://www.bowl.com/images/specs_CGBall.jpg
Also, please take note of the circle drawn around the thumbhole, as that is the marked preferred spin axis. They are IDENTICAL on both bowling balls, regardless of where you shift your CG. There is no imaginary 6 3/4" mass bias on a symmetrical bowling ball.
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Post by: GTX on March 05, 2008, 05:31:17 AM
from that USBC test
I see you ignored the rest .. which shows what you don't want to say
Ball motion statistics -------------------------- POS ----- NEG
Average Difference in Intended Path @ 49' -- 17.27 -- 15.18
Average Difference in Intended Path @ 60' -- 29.90 -- 28.20
Difference in Average Path @ 49' ------------- 17.19 -- 15.33
Difference in Average Path @ 60' ------------- 30.31 -- 28.62
Velocity Decrease from 13'-49'---------------- 1.90 --- 1.67
Velocity Decrease from 13'-60'---------------- 2.69 --- 2.53
Change in Angle To Headpin @ 13'-49'------- 6.06 --- 5.81
Change in Angle To Headpin @ 13'-60'------- 7.18 --- 7.13
if your claim is right, how come these numbers are not even close !!! or you want to convince us that 17.27 is the same as 15.18 !! lol
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There is no imaginary 6 3/4" mass bias on a symmetrical bowling ball.
and we are suppose to believe you !!! lol keep believing in what BigB feeding you
btw, if CG doesn't really matter, why your balls are drilled with POS CG !!! and NONE of them is drilled with NEG CG ... guess you're right, CG doesn't matter
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Post by: Strider on March 05, 2008, 07:00:07 AM
SportsAuthority trolled in and tried to bring the dead horse CG debate back to life and Nick won't let it go either.
If someone tried to do something similar in the Brunswick forum, you and the Brunswick reps would have a royal dung fit. Take your own advice and drop it already.
Thanks again for the generous offer Ritchie.
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Post by: GTX on March 05, 2008, 07:09:57 AM
think it pisses them off when they see lane1 owner deals with issues himself and provide something their company won't do ... I don't recall the last time BigB owner dealt with any issue .. actually I don't recall that to ever happen
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Post by: absoluteisanidiot on March 05, 2008, 07:22:08 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 05, 2008, 09:05:31 AM
quote:
This post started off as a great gesture by the owner of Lane #1 replacing balls people weren't happy with.
SportsAuthority trolled in and tried to bring the dead horse CG debate back to life and Nick won't let it go either.
If someone tried to do something similar in the Brunswick forum, you and the Brunswick reps would have a royal dung fit. Take your own advice and drop it already.
Thanks again for the generous offer Ritchie.
Excellent post Geoff. You are spot on here. I simply don't understand why they keep it up and keep it up and etc. over this CG thing. Why do they even care what others think? Using myself for example, I have my beliefs about a lot of things and I am happy with my beliefs, so if I am happy with what I believe in, why should I give a rats arse what others think? Why does it bother these cgnomaddah people what others think?
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Post by: T-GOD on March 05, 2008, 09:05:39 AM
Post by: AK47 on March 05, 2008, 10:16:07 AM
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 05, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
Let me know the reason why the 2nd set of tests the USBC did showed completely opposite results? In CGNOMADDAH2, the Negative ball was stronger with the exact same parameters. Average out all the results on a long term basis, and they will show an immeasurable difference.
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Post by: T-GOD on March 05, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
Now take a second one with 4 oz. top drilled with the pin 6 3/4" from your PAP and the CG kicked out 1" from your grip center to give you 7/8 pos. side.
Don't tell me they will roll the same. But, I'm sure you could flood the lanes enough to make them roll the same if you want. =:^D
Post by: BrunsNick on March 05, 2008, 04:34:52 PM
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Post by: gordony on March 06, 2008, 12:58:54 AM
yourself
Post by: GTX on March 06, 2008, 03:22:28 AM
quote:
GTX,
Let me know the reason why the 2nd set of tests the USBC did showed completely opposite results? In CGNOMADDAH2, the Negative ball was stronger with the exact same parameters. Average out all the results on a long term basis, and they will show an immeasurable difference.
even better, why when the Post-drilling data (according to you) show these 2 balls are almost the same, 2 tests out 3 showed the POS CG dominating !!!!
avg out all the results !!!
test-1 (Ball motion statistics): POS-CG(7) NEG-CG(0)
test-2 (Angle Statistics): POS-CG(3) NEG-CG(3)
test-3 (Additional Properties): POS-CG(4) NEG-CG(1)
POS-CG(14) and NEG-CG(4)
yep, you're right ... immeasurable difference
so let me ask you again, why all your current bowling balls are drilled with POS CG ?? none of them, not even 1 ball is drilled with NEG CG .. I thought you don't care POS CG or NEG CG ... or do you care now ??
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Post by: triggerman on March 06, 2008, 09:26:53 AM
quote:
Hey keyboard cowboy....
Since the advent of a drill press most people will use a positive CG shift. Why?
To allow a shift in weight in case you want to FINE TUNE REACTION WITH A WEIGHTHOLE LATER!!
And for that reason only! IF you throw it and it's fine, why change reaction shape with a weighthole. If you THROW IT and WANT TO TWEAK IT.... THEN YOU CAN WITH A WEIGHTHOLE
IF you don't drill balls or at least comprehend the basics, don't challenge someone that does it for a living and has forgotten more about drilling than you will ever know. This goes for most of you. And if you have to think about whether or not it applies to you, then guess what? I'm probaly talking about YOU!
-Quit Complaining and start a Revolution!
why is this even being discussed in this thread, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue at hand
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Post by: clintdaley on March 06, 2008, 09:36:31 AM
I have to commend them in the way they handled this situation.
Clint
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Post by: GTX on March 06, 2008, 12:59:37 PM
quote:
Hey keyboard cowboy....
Since the advent of a drill press most people will use a positive CG shift. Why?
To allow a shift in weight in case you want to FINE TUNE REACTION WITH A WEIGHTHOLE LATER!!
And for that reason only! IF you throw it and it's fine, why change reaction shape with a weighthole. If you THROW IT and WANT TO TWEAK IT.... THEN YOU CAN WITH A WEIGHTHOLE
ah .. so in another word CG DOES MATTER ... thank you very much ...later
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 06, 2008, 01:41:22 PM
LOL.
Are you serious? Was that supposed to be an "IN YOUR FACE!"?
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Post by: pop_1 on March 06, 2008, 02:05:01 PM