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Nicanor

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Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« on: February 22, 2008, 09:32:51 AM »
So I know that everyone does NOT match up with every ball, that being said, the Buzzbomb continues to be a dud for me.

I tried the Buzzbomb on heavy oil in box condition, look up the word skate and you will a picture of the Buzzbomb.  Because all it did as skate.

So I talked with several others who has had luck with the Buzzbomb and figured I'd give it another go around.  So I polished it using Bean's Secret Sauce.  I have used this polish on other bowling balls with great success.  Went to the lanes today to practice bringing my Bite, Complete NV now scuffed with 2000 Ablaron and the Cell still in box condition.

The Cell was way too strong because it was in box condition.  The Complete NV gave me a fair look but the surface was too strong, the Bite was the best look standing 36 swinging the ball over 18 at the arrows and about 12 at the break point.  It amazing how the Bite turns the corner and the energy it still has when it gets to the pocket.  Down and in or swinging coast to coast, the ball can play any condition. Meaning can play any angle the oil pattern will let you play.

The Buzzbomb didn't swing or play down and in.  It was much weaker then the Bite and the Complete NV.

I think I will see if I can have it sent back, plugged and re-drilled.  This ball fits perfect and the bowling balls I got from the reputable Pro Shop has been right on with the exception of this ball.

Any drilling recommendations would be highly appreciated.   Pin is currently below the finger line and the MB about 2 inches right of the thumb.  My PAP is 5 and 1'8 up.

Thanks for the previous comments.  




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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2008, 05:41:57 PM »
That amazes me how some balls just don't match up with some. I am an avid buzzsaw fan, but I have had the same problem with a couple of their balls that most others just love. The tsunami was one & the enriched was another. I did buy an enriched yellow letter test ball & that is one of my favorites. I still don't know if it was the drillings or something with the ball.
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Nicanor

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 05:45:55 PM »
I probably have 20 to 30 Lane 1 bowling balls.  Had great success with most except G-Force solid and now the Buzzbomb.  So its not a slam on Lane 1.  I just think they over hyped this ball.  I seen the video on Buddiesproshop website, and they got it going coast to coast in box condition.  So I wonder if I really do have a blem/dud.  It acts as if there isn't a weightblock in the ball.


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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 05:52:03 PM »
Rough buff is a whole different animal than any polish, it is compound polish takes a underlying surface well. I say wait until the rough buff arrives and then try out as low as 360 under the rough buff, ball will then read the lane and not skate like polish will do when used.

It is possibly to have a defective ball but i question that since we used the same pro shop and my ball is most likely from the same case. I believe they only got in one case and i have one of the balls, i could be wrong about that though.

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 06:00:25 PM »
I know the MB sounds different, but I'm wondering if you have the wrong drill for what you want to see.  It sounds to me that you have a ball that is meant to roll and you want to see it flip.  It may be a great choice on heavier oils going up the boards. OR you may have a mis-marked ball that does not have the drilling indicators in the correct place, if that is the case.. well the drilling is probably not good for you.

Nicanor

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 06:00:40 PM »
Thank you Mrbowlingnut.  Sakae is sending me the Rough Buff.  I just wanted to try some polish while waiting for the Brunswick Rough Buff.  I tried the Buzzbomb in a shot that was burned up on the outside thinking that with polish I could swing the ball through the oil out to the dry and have it turn the corner, but no luck.

I sent an email to Sakae letting him knew that I'll try the Rough Buff and at different surfaces and if that doesn't work, I'll send it back to him and ask them the try drilling the ball with a pin above the fingers.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2008, 06:01:07 PM »
Hey Nic, I'm in the same boat you are...this ball just doesn't move for me. I have mine drilled pin under ring with the cg directly below...thought this would be a good drilling and I couldn't have been more wrong. Ball just skates and skates. I tried it OOB, thought maybe it was burning up too much so I polished mine with Beans and it didn't change anything. I'm going to try moving the thumb an inch or 2 to the left so the cg is swung out a little to see if that helps...my NVS is killing this ball right now...I was hoping the BB would be 4-5 boards stronger and it's just the opposite...

Nicanor

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2008, 06:20:27 PM »
I wonder if we drilled the BB wrong.  Maybe we need a highr pin and try and find out the best place for the CG/MB to finish.  Maybe a Lane 1 rep can advise us.


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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2008, 06:49:55 PM »
Nic, there is no mb marking on the ball so why are you using it..? Please double check your PAP measurement using a Lane #1 ball.

What is the exact measure of the pin to PAP and the original CG to PAP..? You can give me the assumed MB distance also to your PAP if you'd like.

What are all three static weights..? What balls and layouts on Lane 1 equipment have you had success with in the past..?

We will definitely get to the bottom of this once all the variables are checked out..!! =:^D

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2008, 06:51:52 PM »
btw, what is your rev rate, and side rotation as well as how you like to play the lanes..? =:^D

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2008, 07:11:35 PM »
Wow, this is REALLY bothering me. I have a Buzzbomb ready to ship almost, but I can't beleive the problems everyone is having. Very disconcerting. I've never tried Lane 1, but wondering now if it truly is all just hype.
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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2008, 07:22:03 PM »
what problems, two guys have not matched up to the ball and you are concerned? I can show you 100 that swear it is the next best thing since sliced bread

I'd like to know nicanors pap and speed revs as well, I am sure you posted the specs of the ball too but could you post again and maybe we can see something in there that may lead to this
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Nicanor

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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 07:26:35 PM »
T-GOD,

Thank you for the response.  I know that there isn't a MB marked.  I just use the rule of thumb of 6 3/4.  Thats why I said CG/MB.  I guess I didn't explain that very well.

Should be able to adjust speed and rev rate.  Medium rev rate, about 16.5 speed, but speed up or slow down as needed.

I've had a lot of success with Lane 1 equipment.

Luck
Super Carbide
Hybrid Dirty Bomb
Black Raspberry
Teal
Black with orange lettering,
Solid Uranium
Enriched Uranium
Cobalt pearl and solid
XXXL
Tsunami

No luck or little luck
G-Force solid
Super carbide Bomb
Buzzbomb
Emerald
Cherry Bomb
Black Cherry bomb
Carbide plus
LRG
H2O
XXL
XL

I have two or better of the ones I like and at least one of the one I didn't care for still.

I can play almost any line and now I'll learning how to play the twig.  My number one game is swing.  Find a line and I can move a deep s the lane condition and the ball will let me.  I get much more side roll swinging the ball and much more forward roll playing down and in.  buts thats to be expected.  That why I tried the Buzzbomb in box, down and in and swing, then polished down and in and swing.  I would get lined up with the Bite and/or Cell and once I fit comfortable what the line was and where the break point was, I would change to the Buzzbomb.  Then back to the Cell and the Bite.  I also had the Complete NV, Shift and the Wrath Dead Flush just to help me feel the lane and oil out.

I don't know what the static weights are (it was drilled in las Vegas I'm here in san Diego.  The MB is approx 3 inches below my PAP if marked at 6 3/4.  My PAP is 5 and 1/8 up.  I tried it at two different houses one with heavier oil and one with flying back ends.  

Thanks for the time.  I don't mind trying a different drilling, though they say surface prep is the key, and I don't mind trying surface pep.

If the ball is all its touted to be, I want to give it every opportunity to work for me, again noting that not every ball works for every bowler.




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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2008, 10:04:39 PM »
I will mention this if it helps

when drilling a diamond core, I always get a longer pin and drill it pin above the fingers line.  if I put the pin below the fingers line, the ball will not match with my game

when drilling a bomb core, pin must be below the fingers line ..

for this buzzbomb, I plan to drill it with pin above the finers line .. prolly something like 5 or 5.5 stacked
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Re: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2008, 11:12:42 PM »
quote:
I will mention this if it helps

when drilling a diamond core, I always get a longer pin and drill it pin above the fingers line. if I put the pin below the fingers line, the ball will not match with my game

when drilling a bomb core, pin must be below the fingers line ..

 


I think it is all about matchup, bowlers style, strength of hand, and etc. because I had some Saws labeled drilled 4-5 years ago and hated them. Then 1 1/2 years ago, I bought 3 more and drilled all with Pin below fingers in some capacity and CG out just enough that a weight hole is not needed and they all worked to perfection for me, both the Diamond Core and Bomb Core.
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