Author Topic: Buzzbomb is a Dud part 2 (Read 4404 times)

Nicanor · « **on:** February 22, 2008, 09:32:51 AM »

So I know that everyone does NOT match up with every ball, that being said, the Buzzbomb continues to be a dud for me.

I tried the Buzzbomb on heavy oil in box condition, look up the word skate and you will a picture of the Buzzbomb. Because all it did as skate.

So I talked with several others who has had luck with the Buzzbomb and figured I'd give it another go around. So I polished it using Bean's Secret Sauce. I have used this polish on other bowling balls with great success. Went to the lanes today to practice bringing my Bite, Complete NV now scuffed with 2000 Ablaron and the Cell still in box condition.

The Cell was way too strong because it was in box condition. The Complete NV gave me a fair look but the surface was too strong, the Bite was the best look standing 36 swinging the ball over 18 at the arrows and about 12 at the break point. It amazing how the Bite turns the corner and the energy it still has when it gets to the pocket. Down and in or swinging coast to coast, the ball can play any condition. Meaning can play any angle the oil pattern will let you play.

The Buzzbomb didn't swing or play down and in. It was much weaker then the Bite and the Complete NV.

I think I will see if I can have it sent back, plugged and re-drilled. This ball fits perfect and the bowling balls I got from the reputable Pro Shop has been right on with the exception of this ball.

Any drilling recommendations would be highly appreciated. Pin is currently below the finger line and the MB about 2 inches right of the thumb. My PAP is 5 and 1'8 up.

Thanks for the previous comments.

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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:18:07 PM »

I wonder if there is bad batch of these out there now, i can tell you guys this ball is huge hooking ball for me and i am higher speed with medium revs.

Maybe there is a bad batch and your serial numbers are all close in the same run???

sawdust · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2008, 11:54:00 PM »

Not to hijack the post but I ordred the BB and I had to wait because Lane 1 ran out and I had to wait for the second run is this going to be good or bad?

T-GOD · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2008, 12:54:48 AM »

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He told me he drilled it for maximum length and maximum backend because I like to swing the ball.

That is a label 1:30 layout, or at least it's supposed to be. With that layout, if you have carrydown and/or too much oil in the middle, you won't be able to play deeper inside lines with much success. =:^D

Nicanor · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2008, 06:18:26 AM »

I'm getting some messages that state they have seen the same lack of reaction with the Buzzbomb. I don't know much about their bowling skills, only what I was told. but it seems to be a love hate kinda ball and we all seen them in the past. My Buzzbomb rolls like there is not a weight block in the ball. Again watching the Buddiesproshop.com video of the Buzzbomb and talking to Chris, the ball hooks a ton. I don't know the bowlers PAP but the pin was under the bridge and the CG is about 2 inches right of the thumb. As many lines as I have played with this ball, I should have seen some kid of reaction. I've played in heavy oil to make sure it wasn't burning up, short oil to see if it would jump off the break point, I played down and in and swung the ball. I should have seen this big gigantic hooking ball reacting on one of those conditions.

I'm going to try again today, take the polish back off, maybe try it at 200 like the Cell, then if that doesn't work 500. If that doesn't work, I at a total loss.

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GTX · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2008, 07:12:38 AM »

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I'm going to try again today, take the polish back off, maybe try it at 200 like the Cell, then if that doesn't work 500. If that doesn't work, I at a total loss.

if all fails, re-drill it with the pin 4.5 or 5" to PAP with the pin being above the fingers line. I had similar issues with lane1 when I started using them and I found out ( pin position & your style ) play a major factor in the ball reaction.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:02:50 AM »

Thanks GTX. I'm waiting to hear from K&K to see what they want to do. I agree that moving the pin about 1 inch above the finger line will help it get down the lane better,retain a little more energy and read the break point better. But I'm trying to find out where to place the CG.

Thanks again.

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GTX · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:11:34 AM »

if you will take my advice, don't kick the CG out or in too much .. an inch either way should be enough ..

I know lane1 suggests pin under and cg out, but this drill never worked with my game and it could be your case as well. I ended up finding out stacking the CG under pin or moving it an inch (max) in or out gives me the best ball reaction.

I hope you get this sorted out soon

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knobs1 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2008, 08:56:33 AM »

I have extensive experience with the Buzzbomb. If you want to maximize the performance characteristics of the ball I think you should sand the ball with 1000 abralon and use Brunswick Factory finish Rough Buff.( Do not over shine, just a little on each side to give it a "matte" look..) Make sure your static weights are positive ..I know some out there will try and say they don't matter...but be sure , in the balls without a strong mass bias they do matter. I have drilled 40 Buzzbombs and they have all been well received. Many 300s and 800s right out of the box. The shell is the important factor and the finished statics (pin position goes without saying..). "The Ball Wizard"
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Nicanor · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2008, 09:24:57 AM »

I have Rough Buff on the way. I just took the surface down to 2000 Ablaron and it now has the same surface as the Cell and the complete NV, well not the same, but I have 2000 on all three surfaces. I will try agan this morning. can't use the Rough Buff till I get it. But I'll be bale to compare it to the Cell and the Complete NV at 2000.

I truely think there is something wrong with this particular ball, not necessarily all the Buzzbombs. It has happened before.

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Strider · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2008, 09:33:39 AM »

Hook is all about friction which means cover and surface, not drilling. You can't take a mild ball and turn it into an oiler by moving the pin an inch or adjusting the static weights. If it isn't hooking, something is wrong with the ball. Drilling's and micromanaging surface are about getting the ball to match your roll and the lane conditions. If you've tried 3 different surfaces and the ball doesn't hook as much as 3 balls that you trust, contact your pro shop or Lane #1 to see if they can test it to see if something is wrong.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #26 on:** February 23, 2008, 09:40:11 AM »

Nic, get the statics checked. I would put the pin 3/4" below the bridge and kick the CG out 1 3/4". Depending the top weight will determine where the hole goes, drilling it small and deep, leaving roughly 1/2 side, 1/2 finger and 3/4 top. =:^D

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:29:23 AM »

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Nic, get the statics checked. I would put the pin 3/4" below the bridge and kick the CG out 1 3/4".

Very-very close to my favorite drillings on most any ball.
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Steven · « **Reply #28 on:** February 23, 2008, 12:46:02 PM »

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Hook is all about friction which means cover and surface, not drilling.

Strider: I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Assuming you have right the cover and surface for the lane condition, it's drilling that determines hook shape.

If the drilling is too aggressive for a respective bowler's style (revs, speed, axis rotation), the ball can burn out quickly and appear to have minimal hook.

I have multiples of several Lane#1 balls (Uranium, Golden Nugget, Cranberry, Liberator). All with the same cover prep, but different drillings. The CG out drillings give me a completely different look than label leverage. On the Uranium especially, one gives me an early hook/set reaction, while the other gets down the lane and has some decent backend.

Nic should definitely try a different layout before labeling the ball a dud. If it's the wrong drilling for his style, he's not going to be able sand/polish his way out of the dilemma.

And not to change the subject, but consider using 3M Rubbing Compound (Perfect-It II is my favorite) instead of Brunswick Ruff Buff. Rubbing Compound seems tackier and just a better overall matte finish for aggressive covers. It's at least worth trying.
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Nicanor · « **Reply #29 on:** February 23, 2008, 02:04:30 PM »

Sorry to keep this post going. But:

The center put 20 games up for me to practice, I only used 12. The oil pattern was called Tim' walled shot because it is walled. Play any line you like, down and in, swing mild, swing coast to coast, ball speed and rotation make the difference (the ball matters too of course).

I had the Cell, Complete NV and the Buzzbomb all with the same surface, 2000 Ablaron. The cell was strong and I had to keep the speed up, the CNV gave me a consistant look but didn't carry as well as the Cell, the Buzzbomb, I won't even say it was erratic, it was again a zero. Pro shop guys were watching me throw, local instructors were watching me throw, they finally said, give me the ball and I'll take it down to 500 Ablaron. With this surface I seen some reaction but if I wasn't careful it skidded through the break point and recover was none exsistant.

I later pulled out the Shift and the Break that I just had re-drilled and the Shift would play 36 out through 17 at the arrows and turn strong at the break point. The Break was long and jumped into the pocket (2 ozs of side weight though) taking out the extra oz now and will see how it effects the roll tomorrow.

If i changed the drilling to the drilling I belive T-GOD recommended, I would only be moving the pin left 1 inch. Is this gong to make that much of a difference? Or would he pin over the bridge have a bigger impact?

either way I'm done with this ball. I hope Lane 1 reps answer my email and K & K said they would make any change necessary.

Thanks again for the feedback.

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Strider · « **Reply #30 on:** February 23, 2008, 02:34:00 PM »

I'm not disagreeing on drilling dictating hook shape. Nicanor's problem seems to be that the ball isn't hooking for squat on heavy, medium, or light oil. If it were burning up on light and medium, then came to life some on heavy, we'd have an answer. Cover is still dominant over drilling, roughly 60-70% to 20-30% or so. First you need to get it to hook, then worry about how and when. A super strong drilling on a light oil ball still won't burn up when thrown on a heavier shot. If you don't have the friction, nothing else matters IMO. Nothing wrong with trying another drilling, but I've never seen a bad drilling make a ball look as bad as what Nicanor is describing. It might take a second drilling to be sure, but I'd be willing to bet that somehow he got a bad ball.

Who did the polishing? What grit was on the ball before polishing? Some shops gob on so much that it clogs the pores and makes the ball look like a dud. I sometimes will lightly rub a gray Scotch Brite pad or maybe a 2000 grit Abralon pad over the ball after polishing just to make sure extra polish isn't clogging the pores. Make sure to sand off the old polish and add a light coat of the new one. You can always add more and burn it in harder if necessary.
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