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Jeffrevs

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Saws and Hit
« on: October 28, 2003, 04:07:35 PM »
I know, what is Jeff posting in the Lane 1 board for....I know....

At league last night, I noticed a guy down the way (about 2 or 3 lanes) using different Saws,...one was an Emerald for sure, the other, I couldn't tell.

I just wanted to say (and I'm not trying to cause controversy here), but that guy was leaving crap just like everyone else was.....stone 10's, mixing 7's, pocket 7-10's,...you name it.........

From what I saw last night.........Saws are no different than any other ball that was being thrown...

Just an observation............
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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2003, 07:14:12 AM »
Jeff,

Coming from a highly refined experience with Saws and pocket 7-10 splits, I'd have to say he was using the wrong ball for the condition obviously.  Maybe he should have pulled out a dull, softer, or sanded Buzzsaw instead.

However I do find most of the time if I hit the pocket flat with any Buzzsaw, I will leave a 7-10 split.  It becomes rather annoying when you watch brooklyns and beak hits carry strikes.

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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2003, 07:39:09 AM »
Jeff,

What you witnessed is probably true. However, this one Saw user doesn't speak for all of the rest of the Saw users. I too, left some crap like that with my Saws yesterday, but it wasn't the ball, it was the bowler. (me) I was off, out of time, missing my target 2-3-4 boards for all three games and etc. Only ended up with a 553 series. Yes, we all have our off days no matter how good or bad we are and regardless of which brand of ball we throw.





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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2003, 07:40:48 AM »
Hi Jeff! I'm not using Lane 1 equipment yet, but I plan to in the very near future...I hope. May I kindly ask (and I do mean kindly), what is your point? I mean, I personally know there aren't any "magical" balls out there and that just because you throw a Saw doesn't mean that you'll throw any 300's, 800's or whatever. (Although the numbers do verify this...go fig. )

Dude may have been off on his game, not had the right equipment for that day, or he could have been just trying some stuff out, heck I don't know, I wasn't there! But, have you ever thought that people pay the money for the Saws because they want too? I've heard people say that the equipment has really helped their game and others could care less. Some guy on the forums said that he just hated the bomb core, but yet and still, he loved the C/2 core.

I've been out of bowling for a minute, but I've bowled with Brunswick, Track, AMF, and Ebonite and I loved their equipment while I was using it. Now, to be truthfully honest with you, I'm kinda' tired of the big companies. This time around, I was going to go with either Lane 1 or MoRich...period! Both are small companies, they need to make quality equipment in order to compete and/or stay in business. Remember Storm? Same thing except their marketing and business strategy is different. Storm is a BEAST at what they do now (better than Columbia, Brunswick, and Ebonite IMHO).

This is just my two cents and all because everytime I listened to someone talk about Lane 1, their prices, their balls are no different than anybody elses, yadda yadda yadda, etc. etc. etc, I end up not throwing what I want to throw! If I believe that it'll work for me, then I'd better be ready to spend some cash...simple as that.

So this is what I feel and I'd say this to anybody about what they want to do bowling or otherwise...be true to yourself...always!
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2003, 07:47:21 AM »
Shoutout33,

Notice I didn't bring up the price of anything..........my post is an observation of what I saw last night.

And, if you browse the Lane 1 forum, you'll see many posts about the HIT of Lane 1 balls,.......I witnessed nothing special....that's my point....

nothing more, nothing less

p.s. I like that....(kindly!)
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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2003, 08:30:48 AM »
Touche Mr. Revs. Nice comeback! You are right, I got carried away a little. They are still good balls though.
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Jeffrevs

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2003, 08:36:33 AM »
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Touche Mr. Revs. Nice comeback! You are right, I got carried away a little. They are still good balls though.


I'm sure they are......I wouldn't mind trying one......
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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2003, 08:43:52 AM »
I would not say my Saws hit any harder than any other ball I own but the hit keeps the pins lower on the deck.This gives better carry on the off hits and better pin count and easier spares on the truly poor shots.In a slot shot strike fest I'll take Columbia any day,but under challenging,grind it out and tourney conditions where total pin count is important I depend on my Saw arsenal.
This is all personal to my game and I do not feel Lane 1 has an advantage over any other company as an industry,but I bowl to cash and Lane 1 puts me there more often.If I were only in it for the fun I'd do the TBU Skull ball,get the chicks,thunderstrike etc. etc etc. thing.
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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2003, 03:08:42 PM »
I just started re-using Lane #1 equipment.  I have been primarily using Visionary balls for the last few years.  When I first tried Lane #1 about 3 or 4 yrs ago, I thought the balls were terrible, they hit like a marshmellow.  I was using a Pink Raspberry and a Teal at that time.  I kept reading how great Lane #1 was here at this site so I decided to redrill them and still had bad results with them so I put them away and started using Visionary.

About a month ago, I read something that APK wrote about how he had bad results with his Lane #1's until he tried a CG out drilling, so I contacted him and decided to try it out a 5x3 on the Pink Raspberry.  In the meantime I had purchased a used Pearl Cherry C2 and had it redrilled to fit me, but with a crack running through the pin, I had that one drilled up with the pin in the PAP to keep the crack away from the fingers.  

My initial impression was that with the new drilling on the PInk, it was a much stronger ball than previously, but it seemed to have about the same hit and carry as the Visionarys.  I like it much better now and have been trying to use it as much as possible just to see if it is as good as I have heard.  It did seem like I was leaving fewer tenpins than with my Visionary balls but the sound and hit seemed about the same so I decided to go back about a couple of weeks and compare the two companies balls.  Here is what I have recorded since I got the Pink Raspberry redrilled 5x3:


 Company   Total Frames    Strikes    Strike %    10 Pins   10 Pin %  
  

Lane #1        113            51       45.1 %       12       10.6 %

Visionary       83            47       56.6 %       10        12 %




Really not much difference and much too early to tell since I have only been using Lane #1 for a couple of weeks.  The different balls give a different look or way to play the lanes so to me, it seems to be more dependant on whether I am having a good day and on how the ball's surface, core, and drilling match up to the lane conditions.  Note:  the above stats include both typical house shot and sports league conditions.

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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2003, 03:14:21 PM »
I would also second MI_2_AZ's results most definitely.  Although my Visionary hits the hole a TON harder, especially the Blue Grpyhon, MY Lane 1 equipment generally carries most hits better.

There are a few conditions that neither company will carry great on, but that's the sport of bowling.

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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2003, 04:22:40 PM »
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I have been primarily using Visionary balls for the last few years


MI_2_AZ--Why did you move away from Visionary or on to another line?

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Re: Saws and Hit
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2003, 06:01:37 PM »
Scott,

I havent moved away from Visionary.  I still use Visionary but I have always used balls from various companies.  I find that I prefer to use those from the smaller companies because of the personal touch they offer their customers and the quality control.  For instance, when I last called Visionary to ask a question, I spoke to the president of the company, John Wonders, who happened to answer the phone.  Try to do that with Brunswick or Ebonite (I am not putting them down, just trying to make a point).  

As I stated before, I had purchased a couple of Lane #1 balls prior to trying out Visionary and was always perplexed because my results with them were the opposite of most other posts I had read about them.  So when I read how APK had almost the same experience as I had and how a CG out drilling had improved his Lane #1 balls, I decided to try that for myself.  I had never tried a CG out drill pattern before so if nothing else, it would be for experience.  I am glad I did, because it showed me how much a drill pattern can effect a ball (at least for me).

For the last couple of weeks, I have been trying out both Visionary and Lane #1 during warmups and then making my decision on which to use for that league session based on what I saw then.  Some nights my Granite Gargoyle looks better, other nights the Pink Raspberry will and still others the Blue Warlock, etc.  It all depends on how 'loose' I am during warmups and how those particular balls are reacting to the lane conditions.  



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