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AK47

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Agent Orange a flop!
« on: December 02, 2008, 12:29:50 AM »
If you're waiting to hear all the bad news about the AO before you buy one, you're wasting your time!  This ball is amazing, i have to start standing where i normally stand in the 3rd game when the lanes dry out, it's a beast! Don't worry, it hooks and carries!! Go ahead and get yourself one for christmas





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Doug Sterner

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Re: Agent Orange a flop!
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2008, 12:23:03 PM »
Buzzhead....I am in full agreement here. My Chainsaw is the first ball out of my bag. Apparently our normal house shot is a bit oilier than many so it really doesn't come into it's own until game 2. That isn't to say I CANT use it game 1 but rather I have a bigger "comfort zone" with something a bit more aggressive to start.
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Re: Agent Orange a flop!
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2008, 11:55:19 PM »
Well,

Let me start with the fact that I shot 625 (209, 224, and 195) got a bit sore at the end.  The shot was med/heavy to approx 40', and I had to stand 23, and shoot 9 to 6, to reach the pocket.  If I were to go deepr and try 12 to 6, it did not get back.  I did not see the 80% backend that is listed, and saw more of a smooth arching hook.  I have so much speed at the break, that when there is oil, nothing seems to want to move unless I play down and in.  I will keep trying, as I do not want to be the only one that does not see the back end.  What I mean is that when I see 80% of the 125 hook rating is backend, I expect to see a sharp point like the Emeral and Cherry Bomb.  Maybe there was just too much oil this time around.  Any thoughts Doug/Trig ( I know that Trig has similar speed)?

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Re: Agent Orange a flop!
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2008, 09:43:04 AM »
Dave,

Your ball speed is probably rivaled by few.  Did you ever try to slow down the fast ball when needed.  I've bolwed with you before and you are very consistant and need a break point a little closer to you with all that speed.

That being said and most know I didn't match up with the Buzzbomb have finally put the Agent Orange in my bag for this weekends tournament. I have been struggling with the Agent Orange just enough to keep it out of my league and tournament bag but practiced with it when I could.  The ball gets through the heads so clean (my pin is below the ring finger CG kicked right of thumb about 2 inches) but when it hits the break point, it makes a very strong move to the pocket, but not a flip.  My speed is only about 16.5-17 mph and I could see that someone with Dave's speed could easily throw this ball past the break point.  I did take the AO up to 2000 Ablaron no polish from the OOB 500 Ablaron.

Good luck Dave, keep the AO for lanes a little shorter and with clean backends and you'll see this ball is explosive.


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Doug Sterner

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Re: Agent Orange a flop!
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2008, 08:28:57 PM »
Well Dave as we have discussed in the past CG out drillings will cut the backend and will indeed create a long smooth arcing type hook....we discussed this.

IF there was truly heavy oil AND you were indeed throwing a PEARL RESIN (albeit a sanded pearl resin) when combined with your fairly direct line (I mean 9 to 6 is not much of a chance for teh ball to generate any angle at all with your ball speed) it is quite possible that you are flagging the breakpoint.

Also you have a 14 board difference between your starting point for your feet and your targeting point....26 with the feet, 9 at the arrows and 6 at the break.

What happened if you moved your feet a couple boards right and bumped the ball a bit wider?

I am going to guess that your desire/need to throw such a direct line is causing your to not get the ball to the dry early enough to get the change of direction you are desiring...just a thought.

Nic may indeed be on to something here...maybe a few less MPH or a change in release will get the results you desire. remember what we discussed on the phone last time....need to change your axis rotation to get more backend as opposed to forward roll.

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Re: Agent Orange a flop!
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2008, 11:34:28 AM »
looking at the results from the pba tour stop at country club lanes i thought i saw your name on there doug...is that correct...????i bowled there during the summer in their summer tour and did pretty good in that house...!!!so what are your thoughts on that house this week???
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Re: Agent Orange a flop!
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2008, 10:44:58 PM »
hehehehe I wish it was me....I dont have near the talent needed to compete like that.
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