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triggerman

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for themezz
« on: June 21, 2007, 05:55:38 AM »
here you all go, got this off the lane 1 website, posted by the man himself

I'm pleased to announce that Lane #1 has reached an agreement with 900 Global to manufacture our bowling balls. I want to give a big thanks to Mike Sellers and his staff for putting this new facility together, as the bowling industry needs new and fresh ideas, as well as not losing any of the knowledge that's been gained over the years. I had a great relationship with Mike and the staff at Columbia 300, so i'm glad to be associated again with him and their former employees.

The sale of Columbia 300 to Ebonite really shook up the industry, as well as Lane #1. With the dwindling down of ball manufacturers, I was pleased to hear that Mr. Sellers was preparing to upstart a new ball manufacturing facility with some of the former employees of Columbia 300.

Even though this is a new company, it really isn't. I like working with these guys because of their experience and innovation in the industry over the past 40+ years. Their quality control was impeccable. Combined with using BASF resins along with my cores, our balls seem to match perfectly to today’s environment. I'm exited to be associated with 900 Global and looking forward to continuing our great tradition of producing only the finest bowling balls as well as helping grow 900 Global to be a staple in the industry.

I'd like to thank all of our customers for being patient with our decision. Everyone, have a great summer and hope you all look forward to our new ball designs for the upcoming season. Thank you.

Sincerely,
Richie Sposato
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2007, 01:58:45 PM »
Best of luck, should be interesting to see what the new stuff looks like on and off the lanes and if the sawheads stay true.  Expo should be good.

I'm logging out, for a long time.

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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2007, 02:17:51 PM »
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come one guys this post is about Lane #1 going to global 900 for their coverstocks not over whether a shop can make money selling lane 1


LOL. Sorry trigg, I caught up in the little diversion. I don't want to take attention away from association with Global 900, which should be a terrific combination.
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« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2007, 02:24:30 PM »
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Wait I'm confused, will these balls still be called "Lane #1" or will they be 900 Global, or is it a legends/lanemasters situation? Something else?
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they will still be called Lane 1, its the exact same situation as when they were under brunswick, just that now its 900 Global pouring hte covers instead of brunswick
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2007, 02:51:00 PM »
I for one am really looking forward to a diamond core and superflex coverstock ball for medium to medium dry lanes. If I didn't drop in weight from 16 to 15lbs I would still be using my Super Beast.

I don't think Lane #1 hits harder, they hit just right (at least for me), I leave all kinds of back row pins with other stuff. When I hit the pocket with my Lane#1 gear, the ball hits the 1,3,5 and 9 instead of the 1,3, 5 and 8.
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« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2007, 06:35:05 PM »
I'm just pleased to see everyone is getting along so well!
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« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2007, 06:35:50 PM »
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Which is all true....but I feel there should be dramatic price increases when extensive R&D is warranted.  Granted Lane 1 has a "proven" core and BASF resins are a "proven base", but should you be paying higher than a premium standard for something put together out of the same materials that have been around foreveer?  You wouldn't pay the price of an Alienware packaged CPU if it had a Pentium II processor and 8MG graphics card just because the exterior is all shiny and sharp looking.  Yeah you'll still be able to get most things done as you normally would, but the other guys have stuff that costs almost half the price and is putting out more performance(arguably).
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I always agree on the price/value relationship.
But that is a perception argument: the one doing the evaluation makes the determination. While I have tried many Lane#1 balls and liked a couple of them, for the most part, the price/value relationship was lacking to an extreme degree.

On the other hand, many medium to low line Roto-Grip, Brunswick, Columbia and Visionary balls have had an IMMENSE price/value relationship FOR ME.
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Lanematser/Legends balls, although they are at the extreme range of cost/price index, have also had an extreme price/value relationship FOR ME.
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charlest

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« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2007, 06:46:56 PM »
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Yeah you'll still be able to get most things done as you normally would, but the other guys have stuff that costs almost half the price and is putting out more performance(arguably).


DP3: First, anyone who pays that much more for Lane#1 equipment should have their wallet revoked for purchasing incompetence. Getting Lane#1 for reasonable prices is nothing new if you have a couple of active brain cells still functioning.


If you have a local shop specializing in Lane#1 balls, then yes.
Otherwise, No.

Steven, you know I can find almost any ball for a reasonable price online. I have never found that for Lane#1 balls.

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If you don't get the Lane#1 performance difference, you're in the wrong forum. Old or not, the base diamond core design works, and that why it continues to live on.


I do not perceive the price/value relationship in Lane#1 balls. I have found some that were worth the price I had to pay (Pro Purple, Pink Raspberry), but I have found not one "bargain".

I was one of the first to try the first Columbia/BASF based Lane#1 ball, the Uranium HRG. I am one my 2nd drill and 4th cover surface change and still have found no utiility in this ball. I am a long time lover of Columbia coverstock, used in many other balls lines (DT, Track, AMF, etc) so I was/am mildly annoyed at not finding any usefullness, SO FAR, in this VERY expensive ball. I have not given up on it; I am just frustrated at this point in time.

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If you think you can find superior performance elsewhere at a cheaper price, then you're lurking in the wrong place.


I can and did and do. That doesn't stop be from participating in any forum I think I appropriate or to which I can add some value.

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Anyway, it will be interesting to see what cover/core combinations emerge from all this. Phil and Richie are two of the most innovative guys in the industry, and it should result in some interesting developments.
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I doubt if Phil will have any input to Lane#1 balls. 900Global will be manufcaturing balls for which Richie Sposato and his design team will choose some BASF coverstock to go around any current or newly developed core. No doubt Phil will have his hands full with 900Global, AMF300 and DynoRooz and all the executive decisions invovled with those new endeavors.

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Steven

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« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2007, 07:27:32 PM »
charlest: I didn't think this thread would get the fur up on your back

On the price issue, you can usually always find high end stuff from Ebonite, Storm, Brusnwick (etc.) cheaper. It was DP3's 'half price' assertion that got my attention. That's just ridiculous. Again there are ways to get Lane#1 at prices in what you would call 'the reasonable' category. And for what it's worth, I've never bought one online.  

Regardless, price/value is a very individual thing. For me, 30-40 dollars is a non-issue if it gets me what I'm looking for. You may not have found 'value' in some of your Lane#1 experiences, and that's OK. Not every ball/line matches up for every bowler.

My issue with DP3's comments were more about his 'match-up' comments (for customers) of Lane#1 relative to other company equipment. In the exchange, it was clear to me he really didn't have a firm grounding in the near current Lane#1 line. Yet he readily concluded that Lane#1 offered nothing of value for his clients. That's wrong at many levels. Sorry if you don't agree with that.

As far as Richie and Phil, my comment about their arrangement was directed at the cover technology Lane#1 will have access to. I was a fan of the covers Phil put out while at Track, and maybe it's a reach, but I'd like to believe good cover technology will be made available to Lane#1 in the future. I'm an optimist in that way.

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« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2007, 08:06:08 PM »
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charlest: I didn't think this thread would get the fur up on your back


My replies are rarely of the nature that I get "down and dirty" about it, even if I don't add smiley faces. We have  agreed to disagree about some items in the past, but mostly we do agree on many issues.

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On the price issue, you can usually always find high end stuff from Ebonite, Storm, Brusnwick (etc.) cheaper. It was DP3's 'half price' assertion that got my attention. That's just ridiculous. Again there are ways to get Lane#1 at prices in what you would call 'the reasonable' category. And for what it's worth, I've never bought one online.  


Sorry, I didn't relate your comments to DP3's. My bad! (I hate the new colloquialisms!) I'll have to go back and compare them.

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Regardless, price/value is a very individual thing. For me, 30-40 dollars is a non-issue if it gets me what I'm looking for. You may not have found 'value' in some of your Lane#1 experiences, and that's OK. Not every ball/line matches up for every bowler.


Since I make many/most purchases online, that $30/40 is virtually my "break-even" point, where that price difference makes or breaks the deal for me. I get 95% of my balls online; my driller prefers that arrangement.

Unless it's a Lanemasters or a MoRich ball, where I perceive value in the $140/150 online price (and damned few MoRich balls), I have many reservations. I don;t perceive such value in Lane#1 balls with relatively common coverstocks (Brunswick and Columbia) and relatively simple cores (diamond C and C2). (From my personal point of view, I have seen zero value in any Lane#1 cores other than the C and the C2 cores. This is a discussion for another time.)

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My issue with DP3's comments were more about his 'match-up' comments (for customers) of Lane#1 relative to other company equipment. In the exchange, it was clear to me he really didn't have a firm grounding in the near current Lane#1 line. Yet he readily concluded that Lane#1 offered nothing of value for his clients. That's wrong at many levels. Sorry if you don't agree with that.


I have seen match-ups, but the price premium on Lane#1 has prevented me from buying or even "playing with" those balls.  

FYI my current lack of "gainful", full time employment, reduces my ability to purchase balls just to see how they react in my hand, when I see people posting interesting and very successful uses of them. Such is life.

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As far as Richie and Phil, my comment about their arrangement was directed at the cover technology Lane#1 will have access to. I was a fan of the covers Phil put out while at Track, and maybe it's a reach, but I'd like to believe good cover technology will be made available to Lane#1 in the future. I'm an optimist in that way.

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I wonder if Phil's true skills weren't  in the area of macthing covers to cores to produce maxi-versatile balls. Phil's major coverstock achievement was in the discover of The "Soaker" additive, not in coverstocks, in and of themselves. As far as I know, that additive can be added to any coverstock, but its use in a ball was limited to the premium lines he produced, due to price.

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« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2007, 04:31:09 AM »
Why chuckle, it's true, and I just wanted to get it out.

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« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2007, 10:54:19 AM »
You guys are PATHETIC!

I knew about the Ebbie buyout almost a year ago. I knew about the 300 Global deal for Lane#1 90 days ago. I knew about the cease and desist letter from Ebonite the day it happened....and changing the name to 900 Global was MY idea.

My sources get me Lane#1 equipment at 25% of retail. I get the stuff so cheap that sometimes I buy extras of the really pretty ones and polish them up with Beans Secret Sauce (which I get FREE)and set them out on the lawn to gaze upon from my deck.

I wish people who didn't know JACK would STFU...you give people like ME a bad name.


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triggerman

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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2007, 10:55:34 AM »
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You guys are PATHETIC!

I knew about the Ebbie buyout almost a year ago. I knew about the 300 Global deal for Lane#1 90 days ago. I knew about the cease and desist letter from Ebonite the day it happened....and changing the name to 900 Global was MY idea.

My sources get me Lane#1 equipment at 25% of retail. I get the stuff so cheap that sometimes I buy extras of the really pretty ones and polish them up with Beans Secret Sauce (which I get FREE)and set them out on the lawn to gaze upon from my deck.

I wish people who didn't know JACK would STFU...you give people like ME a bad name.


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Revs, you ALREADY have a bad name lol
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« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2007, 03:01:52 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2007, 12:25:49 AM »
This is very good news, for Lane 1, and for the entire bowling industry.  When we lose companies, it's bad for the consumer.  Losing Columbia, Track and DynoThane (and AMF I suppose) to Ebonite was not a good thing.  Ebonite acquiring Hammer was great, Hammer was gone, and going to be a done deal, and Ebonite brought the company back to being a major name.  I personally am using mostly Storm equipment, but I do look forward to trying Lane 1 balls in the future as well as the new 900 Global equipment.  Having more choices and options is always a good thing for the consumer.  Congratulations to Richie and Lane 1, and looking forward to their partnership with 900 Global.
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