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SprayNpray

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More Buzzbomb woes...
« on: February 28, 2008, 06:20:34 PM »
So I decided that after the poor reaction I have been getting with my Buzzbomb, that I needed to try a different surface.  I decided to change the surface from 1000 (box) to 4000, which would put it at the same surface as my Bite.

After talking with my pro shop guy who is VERY good and has drilled over 20 Lane #1 balls for me, he is of the opinion that there may be a problem with the ball itself, and was planning to call Lane #1 to get some of their opinions.  I haven't as of yet heard the results.

Here are the facts:
- The Buzzbomb repeatedly took out the 3 pin where the Bite was blowing through the nose or going Brooklyn on the same line.  Even my Emerald Pearl was moving more than the Buzzbomb @ 4000!
- The Buzzbomb is flaring a ton, probably too much.  I don't think I have ever seen this much flare, in fact there is probably 3/8" of separation in the oil rings and about 7-8" of total flare.  I normally get closer to 4-5" on a given ball, give or take an inch.
- My pro shop guy said he had a bear of a time getting the ending weights where he wanted them, especially the side weight.  He didn't quite fully explain what problem he was having because he was swamped with customers.

Now here is to weird part, and maybe someone can chime in who knows reactions and ball motion to tell me what this means.  My proshop guy placed a sticker on the ball where he said my PAP was on this particular ball, and it looked closer to my grip than where my PAP would normally be.

He told me to watch the motion of the sticker when I threw the ball, and that if the sticker stayed tight in the center of the axis, then the ball was performing how it was supposed to.  However, he said that if the sticker deviated from the axis too much, that he would suspect something was wrong with the ball, possibly mismarked or something with the core wobbling too much (his words).

What I saw was the sticker going from tight in the center to deviating probably 4" from center, then back to tight, then back to 4" from center before it hit the pins.  What the hell does this mean?  Seems like the ball is flaring really weird, but I have never tried to concentrate on a sticker on my axis while the ball was rolling before either, so what should I be seeing?  According to the proshop guy, it should have stayed tight until it got into a roll and headed to toward the pocket.

So someone help me.  I tried a different surface thinking that maybe I could get the ball to behave differently, but it was even worse than it was at 1000.  I am starting to think I am in the same boat as Nicanor, and possibly received a bad ball or one that was mismarked somehow.

Again, I was throwing my Bite and my original Widow at 4000 (same surface as Buzzbomb) and getting spectacular reactions.  The lanes had been freshly oiled about 2 hours before I started bowling.

I really DON'T want to plug and redrill because that has an effect on how much I could sell it for if I ever decided to do so, and I really want to achieve the reaction that so many others here have raved about- like someone said before, they have over $180 reasons to want to make this ball work- more for me since I support my proshop as much as I can.  Hopefully between me, my proshop guy and Lane #1, we can get this thing figured out.  Any input anyone can give would be appreciated though.




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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2008, 09:05:56 PM »
Spray, there's a big difference in the 2 balls concerning the pin to PAP maesurements. The Uranium has a farther pin to PAP distance than the BuzzBOMB, plus the cores are different. Even though the Uranium is drilled label 1:30 by looks, it could actually be a CG out if you check the measurements. =:^D

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2008, 09:24:17 PM »
I would also add that with the ball speed (and if you check my profile you will know that I know speed) you ave, that most balls with the CG sung left are tamer.  I would recommend a 4x4 layout with the CG kicked right so that the core picture goes from 10 to 5, or thereabouts,.

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2008, 09:24:38 PM »
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Then explain to me why this ball is a monster and my Buzzbomb is a turd:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/SawFreak1/006.jpg

Long pin, strong ball, strong pin- what is the difference?



Umm, thats not even close to the same layout. The pin to pap distances are WAY different. Your pap is normally 5 over you said? well, that would put your pin to pap on the uranium at about 4 - 4.5 inches, with the pin about an inch over the finger level. the buzz bomb is like 1 - 1.5 inch pin to pap and the pin is level with the fingers... NOT even close.

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2008, 10:03:32 PM »
Spray, is that white dot on your ball supposed to be your PAP? If so, it only looks to be about 3". You said your pro shop operator told you that was your PAP on this particular ball? Your PAP will normally be the same on about every ball you throw. I think I would get the pro shop guy to varify your PAP.
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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2008, 03:30:31 AM »
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Spray, is that white dot on your ball supposed to be your PAP? If so, it only looks to be about 3". You said your pro shop operator told you that was your PAP on this particular ball? Your PAP will normally be the same on about every ball you throw. I think I would get the pro shop guy to varify your PAP.
Something seems very wrong to me!


Yes, that is something that threw me as well.  Now if that sticker is correctly placed, and I have no reason to doubt what my pro shop guy says, it means that my PAP has changed drastically when throwing the Buzzbomb.

I am curious as to what could cause this, and obviously if the PAP is changed that much, it could explain the reaction I am getting because the pin-to-PAP is much shorter than the intended 3 3/8".  I would feel a lot better if someone could answer this question.  As it stands, unless I know what to look out for, I could just keep buying random ball X and have it turn out to roll like crap for me because just throwing that particular ball changes my PAP!

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Even though the Uranium is drilled label 1:30 by looks, it could actually be a CG out if you check the measurements. =:^D


I apologize for my crude understanding of all these concepts.  I am trying to understand what is going on, and I appreciate everyone's help and suggestions so far.  To a layman (me), the layouts on the Solid Uranium and the Buzzbomb looked similar, with the exception of the pin-out, so that was why I asked about it.  I didn't consider that it could actually be a CG out, but that makes sense now thinking in terms of relation to PAP, not relation to grip- just had to wrap my brain around the concept.

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Plugging aint going to kill you now since the ball does not do squat correct???


Can't argue with that; good point.  In fact, that is next on my list, right after making sure that my PAP is marked correctly on the Buzzbomb.  If I plug and redrill based on the new PAP, and use a Lane #1-recommended layout on the new drill, I'll be looking for some pretty good results.  If that doesn't happen, then I guess I'll try to get it replaced.
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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2008, 08:29:11 AM »
Spray, don't layout the ball based on this new PAP. That layout caused your PAP to be different. You just need to swing the CG out to a stacked position or kick the CG out a touch more. Unless you are a real "no hander", there's no reason to have the pin 3 3/8" from your PAP. I would try a 4 3/4 x 3 3/8, pin just under the bridge. =:^D

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Re: More Buzzbomb woes...
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2008, 04:42:28 PM »
I just had mine drilled up this past wed.My driller is Lane #1's #1 volume driller.We laid it out with the pin at about 4 o'clock from my ring finger label drill.I shot 300 in the5th game of use.I would just for the heck of it bring the ball to another pro-shop and have them check it.I know my new driller checks out everything before he drills the ball.