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bowlingmytmouse

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G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« on: May 16, 2007, 06:13:42 AM »
Hi all,
   First off let me state that I am not trying to start a Lane#1 bashing thread.  I just want to know true reactions about the match up of Lane 1 cores and Columbia's covers.  I have heard that this ball is some molded piece of doo doo.  Now I have also heard that the ball is great but that is only from Sawheads.  So whats the verdict?  Now please don't come saying this ball great long live F.O.S., if the ball is not good say so, if it is say why.

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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2007, 02:17:55 PM »
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Hi all,
   First off let me state that I am not trying to start a Lane#1 bashing thread.  I just want to know true reactions about the match up of Lane 1 cores and Columbia's covers.  I have heard that this ball is some molded piece of doo doo.  Now I have also heard that the ball is great but that is only from Sawheads.  So whats the verdict?  Now please don't come saying this ball great long live F.O.S., if the ball is not good say so, if it is say why.

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which one?  

the solid with m80 stock is decent, some tear up with it, some do not (read match up) it appears to be holding well but does need some maintenance to maintain the factory finish of 10 micron

evolution, with its bleeder stock (read superflex) holds up fantastic, this ball is money, on pretty much all med conditions, with my drilling it is set up for late shift type bowling it clears the heads with ease, and makes a nice pronounced turn, no over under forme

the nebula is strong, same base stock as evo but with particles, even moving ball, from what i ahve seen, a great one two punch from lane #1

covers aside, the w.a.s core is a great peice, pin placements really do this ball justice, i find the core a dream to throw
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2007, 03:04:36 PM »
I have another question that could add to this thread.  I have a customer or two hellbent on us ordering some Lane 1 balls.  I think they just want to throw them for the status factor, not because the know they will match up to their game.  I have no problem letting the customer pay for what they want, but say the balls don't match up to their roll, then it always comes back on the pro shop guy that they were sold a piece of crap ball.  On the other hand, it could match up great to them, then they'll want 3 or 4 more.  Meanwhile the customer could save about $100-150 buying the discontinued Action Series from us which are proven to be very good by a variety of different styles.  

What are you G-Force throwers seeing that differentiates the balls so much from the other Columbia pours?  Is $100 more for a different shaped core really worth it IYO?
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2007, 03:13:55 PM »
Have every action series ball and every g forc series ball, i would take the action series if it was money thing anyday. I notice not greater hitting power from the core, in fact i like the action max so much i have 3 of these.

If it was me the best choices would an action max and the evolution that would cover the whole lineup of lane conditions. I actually do not like the action packed it pushes to far down the lane for my liking and recovers to erractically even after knocking off the factory polish.


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I have another question that could add to this thread.  I have a customer or two hellbent on us ordering some Lane 1 balls.  I think they just want to throw them for the status factor, not because the know they will match up to their game.  I have no problem letting the customer pay for what they want, but say the balls don't match up to their roll, then it always comes back on the pro shop guy that they were sold a piece of crap ball.  On the other hand, it could match up great to them, then they'll want 3 or 4 more.  Meanwhile the customer could save about $100-150 buying the discontinued Action Series from us which are proven to be very good by a variety of different styles.  

What are you G-Force throwers seeing that differentiates the balls so much from the other Columbia pours?  Is $100 more for a different shaped core really worth it IYO?
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2007, 05:27:33 PM »
I've had great success with my Solid G-Force.  I also had an HRG, wasn't a bad ball but I just never found a shot for it.  I recently made a trade to get a NIB G-Force EVO but it's not drilled yet.
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2007, 06:20:09 PM »
quote:
I have another question that could add to this thread.  I have a customer or two hellbent on us ordering some Lane 1 balls.  I think they just want to throw them for the status factor, not because the know they will match up to their game.  I have no problem letting the customer pay for what they want, but say the balls don't match up to their roll, then it always comes back on the pro shop guy that they were sold a piece of crap ball.  On the other hand, it could match up great to them, then they'll want 3 or 4 more.  Meanwhile the customer could save about $100-150 buying the discontinued Action Series from us which are proven to be very good by a variety of different styles.  

What are you G-Force throwers seeing that differentiates the balls so much from the other Columbia pours?  Is $100 more for a different shaped core really worth it IYO?
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Just my opinion, but if you are charging $100 to $150 more for a G Force than for a action series ball, you are gouging!
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2007, 06:41:36 PM »
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I have another question that could add to this thread.  I have a customer or two hellbent on us ordering some Lane 1 balls.  I think they just want to throw them for the status factor, not because the know they will match up to their game.  I have no problem letting the customer pay for what they want, but say the balls don't match up to their roll, then it always comes back on the pro shop guy that they were sold a piece of crap ball.  On the other hand, it could match up great to them, then they'll want 3 or 4 more.  Meanwhile the customer could save about $100-150 buying the discontinued Action Series from us which are proven to be very good by a variety of different styles.  
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DJ,

Don't you just hate it when a customer DEMANDS a specific ball, then when it doesn't react the way they think it should, they blame the pro shop guy?

I know most don't do that, but it's the few that do that just burn your guts inside out.

My HRG (my first Lane#1 ball in a long time) didn't react the way I thought it would with the drill I asked for; so I just redrilled it. We'll see If I couldn't have saved a whole bunch of money by just buying a Hyjinx or a Wrath.
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2007, 07:05:01 PM »
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I have another question that could add to this thread.  I have a customer or two hellbent on us ordering some Lane 1 balls.  I think they just want to throw them for the status factor, not because the know they will match up to their game.  I have no problem letting the customer pay for what they want, but say the balls don't match up to their roll, then it always comes back on the pro shop guy that they were sold a piece of crap ball.  On the other hand, it could match up great to them, then they'll want 3 or 4 more.  Meanwhile the customer could save about $100-150 buying the discontinued Action Series from us which are proven to be very good by a variety of different styles.  

What are you G-Force throwers seeing that differentiates the balls so much from the other Columbia pours?  Is $100 more for a different shaped core really worth it IYO?
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Just my opinion, but if you are charging $100 to $150 more for a G Force than for a action series ball, you are gouging!
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Don't be too quick to make assumptions.  The Action series is on a huge closeout at the distributors.  We are selling these Drilled out the door with grips and slug for $150.  Buying from Lane #1 costs us, the pro shop more per ball than what we are selling the Action series for.  If it costs the Pro shop $169+ shipping just to order the ball and we use our average percentage markup then of course it's going to cost in the ballpark of $100 more than a discontinued ball that we are getting for cheaper.
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2007, 07:37:15 PM »
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2007, 09:53:03 PM »
My experience with the G-Force has been pretty good.  It rolls VERY heavy, even with the "mild" layout it has (MB left of thumb- label drill).  It picks up about 2 feet sooner than my Solid Uranium, and is slightly more flippy.

I have several pieces competing for the "heavy" spot in the bag.  From most angular to least, I would rank them like this:

1.  HawgZilla
2.  G-Force
3.  Strike Zone
4.  Solid Uranium
5.  Awesome Hook
6.  Scorchin' Inferno

From earliest rolling to latest:

1.  Awesome Hook
2.  G-Force
3.  Scorchin' Inferno
4.  Solid Uranium
5.  Strike Zone
6.  HawgZilla

I just bought a Black Widow that I put only 3 games on so far.  If that were to be considered for the "heavy" spot, it would easily out distance all of the others in terms of angularity based on what I have seen so far.

Back to the G-Force: it handles carry down better than all of the others listed except the Awesome Hook.  I like the look it gives me, but it isn't really any better or any worse than the other pieces I have.  All of them are nice, they all just have a slightly different reaction shape to keep things interesting.

For me, the Solid Uranium hits the "sweet spot" and sees the most action, but on the rare occasion when I bring both the SU and the G-Force, I know that if the Solid isn't quite getting the angle, I can play the same line with the G-Force and bring it 3-4 boards higher in the pocket.
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2007, 06:28:51 AM »
I appreciate all the great responses guys, especially those with pros and cons.  With Brunswick not in the picture, I wanted to see what the consensus was on the balls, especially when a lot of people believe that the cover is at least 70% of reaction.  And Brunswick has made some GREAT covers.  It will be interesting to see what move Lane 1 makes next...ya never know, they may even cut customers a price break

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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 07:05:04 AM »
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they may even cut customers a price break


trust me, don't count on it.  That will never happen.  Lane#1 philosophy is to be higher than the rest and highly unlikely it will change  
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 02:01:57 PM »
Or you can talk to Trigg
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2007, 02:06:37 PM »
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Or you can talk to Trigg


maybe wer are the same person lol

but i do have some bang up prices on drilled lane #1 stuff, drop me a pm for a price check
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Re: G-forces + Columbia Covers....I want real opinions
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2007, 09:11:20 PM »
My experiences...

Solid G-Force:
 Drilled Label 1:30 (pin 3.5" from PAP).
 Ball is way too early on THS. That said, I did very well with it on the PBA Shark pattern and also on the TOC pattern (50 feet!!!). I will leave it as is and rely on it only for long/heavy patterns. I know some have polished it up and/or drilled it weak, but I have other balls to cover those conditions...like....

G-Force Nebula:
 Drilled pin under ring (4.5" from PAP), CG out, X-hole 2" down on VAL.
 Ball picks up nicely in the midlane on a heavy-ish THS. Breakpoint shape is a very strong arc. Great control...no over/under.

G-Force Evolution:
 Drilled pin over bridge (5" from PAP), CG out, X-hole beyond PAP.
 Medium to light THS...stand left, throw right. Skid/flip. Long and strong. If you are on top of your game, this ball is money. If you are having "one of those days", this ball will make you look like a real asshat. Don't get me wrong...the ball is awesome when I am repeating shots. However, when I am having speed issues, I battle the dreaded over/under in a big way. It's a pearl thing.

In closing, the two new balls are a great 1-2 punch. The solid G-force is a good addition if you need something on the very heavy end. I have used all three quite a bit since they have been released and have witnessed no loss of performance from any of them. I just clean them after every set (like every ball I use). I do not regret picking up any of them. You just need to know when to use them.


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