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D McLaughlin

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Coverstock question..sort of
« on: April 19, 2004, 12:50:48 AM »
Not trying to incite riot....just looking for some clarification.  Brunswick makes balls for Lane#1.  Lane#1 charges a premium price due in large part to Brunswick's own charges to make them.  These things are pretty true from all that I have heard.  My question is this....if Mo Pinel (MoRich) is having Brunswick make their new Ravage and Brunswick charges so much to make balls...why isn't MoRich's stuff $270-$300 a ball?  Just curious..truly.
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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2004, 04:09:01 PM »
Ragnar is right, But most of the high prices are due to proshops
and their over head, They have to sometimes charge higher prices.

I bought a new ball from http://www.drylanes.com and it was fairly cheap.
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Steven

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2004, 04:18:24 PM »
Rags: Darren is really not that far off base at all. Lets take a scenario where I buy a Uranium from Buddies:

Ball -------- $190
Shipping -- $ 18
Total ------ $208

I take the ball to my driller, and I pay him the following for his services:

Drilling -------- $35
Thumb Slug -- $15
Finger grips -- $ 5
Total ---------- $55

Grand Total -- $263 (assuming I pay no taxes, which might be questionable)

For comparision sake, I can get a high end pearl particle from any company (with all the trimmings out the door), for less than $200.  

I personally feel value is in the eyes of the beholder, so I'm not getting into the 'Lane 1 price' debate. I'm just saying that Darren's numbers are close.
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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2004, 04:32:41 PM »
Does the DEAD HORSE NEED TO BE BEATEN SOME MORE??????????
blah blah blah who cares but non lane1 users so go throw throw your brand of balls and shut up and bowl!!!!! I have every brand they are all good but every week some smuck beats the horse again willing or unwilling!!
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Steven

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2004, 04:41:36 PM »
Rags: To keep this out of the realm of a debate, I tried to give a specific, realistic, and verifiable example. I surprised you feel the quick need to run.

With respect to getting the total price cheaper, it's simply not practical in most cases to get some of the deals that are suggested here. There are only so many internet guys in the world who will sell the complete package for almost no profit. Besides, I put a lot of value in quality local service, for selfish reasons more than anything else. I have a difficult thumb to drill for, and logic tells me no one is going to get it right in one shot through the mail. I'll spend 5-10 minutes of final hair line adjustments with my local guy before taking the lanes. How am I going to do this with an Internet drilled ball?

In general, I believe it's really the same situation for most bowlers. So accepting that most bowlers need to get their drills local, where are the numbers wrong?    

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2004, 05:24:13 PM »
Steven, I have a question for you:

WHY DO YOU CARE?!?  Nobody is taking your money to pay for Lane 1 gear, so what the hell is your problem?  You won't be able to give a convincing response to this, simply because you don't have one!!  There is no logic.  Let people use what they want.  Case closed.

BTW, I could get a Silver Diamond from Doug STerner drilled, with inserts/slug for $180.  MY local pro shop charges over $200 for a V2 Dry w/o slug.  And technically, they're both mid priced.

And no, I don't even use Lane 1...even look in my profile, I'm an all company guy.  So don't use "bias" crap against me.  Not trying to be angry, but you really have made no sense.
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Steven

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2004, 05:44:17 PM »
a_ak57: You've made it to the ripe old age of 14-15 having learned to write, but your reading comprehension is almost zero.

This thread is not about Lane#1 bashing. It's not saying that Lane#1 balls are good, bad, or neutral. The topic poster is simply trying to understand the Lane#1 pricing model and asking for further insights. I in turn provided insights based on a real world transaction to substantiate what was originally posted, so why are you acting like someone just took your candy away?

I'm sure that Doug did a good job for you, but low ball internet pricing was not part of this discussion. We're talking about what most people generally pay to buy and drill a ball.

If you have something constructive to add, please do. Otherwise don't waste the time of those who want to have a serious discussion on the subject.
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Brickguy221

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2004, 05:45:46 PM »
Uranium from Doug Sterner when I recently bought one.

Ball $169
Shipping $12
Drill $25  
Thumb Slug $5
Grips $5

Total = $216

Since I bought my Uranium, my Pro Shop has started selling them for $202 drilled plus $10 for slug and grips plus tax of $16.70 for a total of
$228.70.

I note that everyone seems to use Buddies as an example flor everything. For everyone's information, Buddies are not the cheapest on everything. Especially things like Balls, Wrist Devices, Ball Polishes, and etc. plus their shipping costs are higher than some of the places on this site.

Like Ragnar, I'm not going to be drawn into this. This is the only statement I will make. Facts are facts, so with that being true there is nothing to argue about.
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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2004, 05:58:09 PM »
I guess my only thing is why would you even throw Lane #1?    Boo.  Hiss.  I can hear it coming right now!  lol  Actually, I almost bought a Lane #1 this season until I got sticker shock.  Drilled with grips and a slug, it was going to be $262.  Screw that.
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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2004, 06:12:26 PM »
Do we know what Mo will charge for the Ravage or future balls made w/ Brunswick? I don't.
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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2004, 06:25:58 PM »
Ozsweet, you hit it exactly.  We simply don't know.  If they keep the prices the same, well, then, hooray.  If they don't, I'm sure people will still buy them regardless...

Steven, sorry if i came off as childish, but it's true, you started the whole lane 1 price thing.  But my point still stands:  what does it matter?  

And sorry, but you provided no insight to the question of why the stuff is expensive, all you did was try to prove that they are more expensive!  I agree with that, they are, but don't try to make me look stupid, while you didn't even answer the question yourself.  You told me to read...well, I suggest you should read the original post yourself.

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If you have something constructive to add, please do.

Looks like you failed to do that yourself, chief.  Nice work.

Well, I'm done, keep arguing if you wish, since that's apparently all you can do.
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Steven

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2004, 06:58:46 PM »
ak57: I don't know what your agenda is. What I wrote and why I wrote it should be obvious. But since it's not I'll break it down:

 
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Steven, sorry if i came off as childish, but it's true, you started the whole lane 1 price thing. But my point still stands: what does it matter?  


No, Ragnar did. In the first reply, Ragnar challenged one of the main points of Darren's topic -- Lane#1 pricing. If we don't have a consensus on absolute Lane#1 pricing, the whole thread falls apart. So my response was to substantiate Darren's numbers, hopefully allowing the thread to continue as originally stated; no more no less.

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And sorry, but you provided no insight to the question of why the stuff is expensive, all you did was try to prove that they are more expensive!


The original question was why MoRich is less expensive -- not why Lane#1 is more expensive. Again, I was responding to Rags so that the topic could be explored as written. Why Lane#1 is more expensive was not asked, and I'm not going there anyway.

 
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I agree with that (Lane#1 being more expensive), they are, but don't try to make me look stupid, while you didn't even answer the question yourself.  


Again, Rags did not agree with Lane#1 being more expensive, so we had an exchange for clarification. You're clearly not stupid because you have writing skills beyond your years -- it's your reading comprehension and analytical skills that have to be worked on.

 
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Looks like you failed to do that yourself, chief. Nice work. Well, I'm done, keep arguing if you wish, since that's apparently all you can do.
 


Nice try, but you're not getting off that easy. Read back through the thread now and hopefully things will make more sense. If they don't, I'm giving you more credit than you deserve.
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a_ak57

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2004, 07:05:27 PM »
Well, let's just leave it at that.

Jabberwocky just made an almost identical thread, so this one doesn't need more use.
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a_ak57

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2004, 07:13:25 PM »
Wes, I was the only one with a problem, and everything is fine now...so there isn't really much of a need for anything now.  If you wish to inquire further, a new thread would be appropriate.  Just prepare to get your a§§ flamed by the Lane 1 Clan!!
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D McLaughlin

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Re: Coverstock question..sort of
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2004, 09:39:09 PM »
Firstly, as I stated in my original post, this was NOT to drag up the "Lane#1 is sooo expensive" corpse.  I merely was wondering why Mo's new ball won't cost that much....I believe the price point is around $170ish retail.  NOTE..**I said I BELIEVE that to be the case.**  If my proshopguy is accurate, and he usually is on Mo's stuff.

Secondly, I apologize to you Steven for any undue strife drawn to you by your reply.  Was not my intent at all.  I simply asked a question in the hopes someone here had more info on that aspect...that is all.  Please accept my apologies.

PS- The Ravage is reported as being an OnSlaught core with the PowerKoil18(DangerZone) coverstock...for those interested in something other than heated arguments over individuals budgets.
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