Author Topic: Difference between label and stacked on BB? (Read 1503 times)

nowski1381 · « **on:** February 06, 2008, 09:08:38 PM »

Is there really that big of a difference between these 2 drillings? I'm leaning towards the stacked...any opinions on the 2?

Grayson · « **Reply #1 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:41:52 AM »

from my general experience the difference between the two is that a label drilled ball will be longer and more angular (better for when lanes break down) and the stacked will roll earlier and is overall also stronger - but that is just my oppinion and a general one
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nowski1381 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 07, 2008, 05:48:37 AM »

thanks Grayson...any other opinions?

Mr_Smooth · « **Reply #3 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:07:58 AM »

For me a Stacked Layout will have more of a backend reaction than Label drilling will produce. Stacked will help less challanged rev bowlers. The Label Layout will be more smooth and use your hand for revs.
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novawagonmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** February 07, 2008, 06:23:44 AM »

^^^I agree ^^^
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triggerman · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2008, 07:08:44 AM »

mine is stacked, I have plenty of hand teammates is label, not quite as much hand, side by side the balls look similar but it is the difference in hand. my stacked with the surface up to roughly 2k is a beast on house shots, plenty long with exceptional pop on the back, the label on the same shot looks to burn up a little, he cannot stay in play with it as long as I do

(disclaimer, remember I am comparing my stacked as a cranker, to his label as a tweener)
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 07, 2008, 07:22:41 AM »

This is the same problem I am having, I have no idea how I want to drill it. i have been torn on label or stacked. I keep hearing label is the stronger layout on Lane #1 euipment, but that goes against all other company balls belief. I really have been wanting a stacked layout, but am unsure.

Trigger what is your distance from PAP on your ball? And which one are you thinking is stronger in your eyes from what you have seen?
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T-GOD · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2008, 08:11:47 AM »

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the difference between the two is that a label drilled ball will be longer and more angular (better for when lanes break down) and the stacked will roll earlier and is overall also stronger

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For me a Stacked Layout will have more of a backend reaction than Label drilling will produce.

Label drillings on most Lane #1 balls do go longer and are more angular for bowlers with more of an end over end roll.

The key here is more length. If the lane has more, longer oil, or carrydown, a label drill will go too long before hooking. Therefore, you will see less backend..!!

Just because the numbers say a certain layout will have more backend, doesn't mean it will on all conditions. It'll depend on the condition and the bowlers delivery.

Therefore, layouts will an earlier roll and supposedly less of a bqackend rating, can and will have more backend movement on longer oil patterns or for bowlers who have more side rotation.

CG out layouts will start up sooner in the body and also have a slower/less angular transition off the dry. But, on oil, this may and usually does translate into MORE movement and MORE backend.

Longer pins are usually best suite for CG out layouts. Short pins are usually best suited for label 1:30 layouts. Medium pins are best suited for stacked layouts, slight CG out and slight label 1:30.

Stacked layouts are best suited for bowlers with less hand/revs because it gives you a quicker reaction/movement off the dry. The more hand/revs you have, the more CG out you should use, because it'll give you a slower transition off the dry.

Higher rev players don't need a quick reaction off the dry, because they have enough reaction as it is. They need more control and a slower response to dry boards.

A very strong layout on oil for bowlers with less hand is a 3 - 4 1/2" pin out ball with a 4 3/4 x 2 1/2 layout. The longer pin out ball gives you a quicker response to dry boards and the CG out gives you a bit earlier roll on oil, making this combination perfect.

The average of these 2 dimensions is 3 9/16, which would translate into a 3 9/16 stacked layout. If you did this stacked, it'll probably result in an over/under situation, which is why the CG out works better.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions regarding layouts, just PM me for help. =:^D

Grayson · « **Reply #8 on:** February 07, 2008, 08:25:21 AM »

Oh sorry I should have added:

I am a high tracker with more end over end roll and not so many revs plus a lower speed
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 07, 2008, 08:27:23 AM »

It depends on what you mean by label and stacked. Are you talking label leverage and stacked leverage or just in general? Reason I ask is that if you do a stacked leverage drilling ( 3 1/2 x 3 1/2), you will get the most flare and overall hook. If you do a 4 1/2 x 4 1/2, you get what Frankie May calls his "rev/flip" drilling. I like this layout because it gives you a good blend of midlane read and still some pop left over on the backend. A label drilling is basically pin next to ring finger, cg center grip, and no weight hole. This drilling will do different things for different bowlers. Bowlers with high tracks, this will put the pin around 4 - 4 1/2 inches and the cg around 5 - 5 1/2. This will usually create an earlier roll with a smoother transition on the backend. If you track low, the pin is closer to a 2 inch pin with the cg around 3 1/2 to 4 inches which will create very early roll which can sometimes lead to a hook/set reaction. Depends on your PAP and what type of roll you are looking for.
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marsden74311 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2008, 08:42:54 AM »

All i know is i have had a lot of saws as trigg has, and every one of the dril lsheets, the label drill gives the most for length and backend.

triggerman · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2008, 09:02:29 AM »

my stacked layout ended up being pin to pap of 4.5" I used mo's dual drilling for the layout, pin to pap 4.5, drilling angle 60* with the angle to val at 25, so not quite a true verticle stack but very very close
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2008, 09:14:54 AM »

For me, stacked has a sharp breakpoint and lost od back end - a layout I prefer on most of my balls (I play rather slow, so length and a late reaction works well for me), esp. on medium conditions and with a high pin.

Label drill offers (relatively) more mid lane action. The ball revs up earlier and has a very tame back end, almost as if rolling out. Rather arcing, unless the oil is too short and the ball jumps because it hits friction too early. Good for control, IMHO better in this category than a stacked layout.
Another selling point: you cannot do much wrong with it. If you have no clue where your PAP is and if you are just happy when the ball moves, go label. You wont need a balance hole, anyway. Makes your driller happy, a no-brainer.

If you have a clean back end and want to see more ball action and a rather hockey-stick like hook shape, go stacked.

Besides, it is also important how far you place the pin from the PAP...
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2008, 09:18:34 AM »

T God has nailed it for you!

I find particularly on mass bias balls that mass bias out gives me midlane & backend.

Mass bias under thumb or over to my track gives me less midlane...a lot of length and just backend if I have a fairly strong pin..

I find these relationships true in symmetrical balls just to a lesser degree.
The mass bias magnifies the effects of these different drillings.

To summarize for stacked I thend to play inside and loop the lane a little and get a sharp backend(all the core can provide). 9 pins are a distinct posibility as are 8 pins.

With a label or mass bias towards track I get very little midlane and can only carry so deep with my feet(not very deep). I use for more direct lines outside and the ball creates LESS attack angle than the stacked on the same ball same core.

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nowski1381 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2008, 11:36:43 AM »

thanks everyone...some great information here

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