Post by: 302efi on August 28, 2006, 05:41:10 AM
So when I first got the ball I tried it and I couldnt get much of a reaction with it, so I put it away for a while. Well over the last 4-5 months an different times, I've tried all sorta cover preps, grits, polishes...You name, I've done it !
The ball has been through my local proshops "oven" (no oil came out). I've gave the ball hot waters bath(s)...Just nothing seems to work for this ball ?
The cover is in great shape, you can tell theres not many games on it at all, but I just don't get a reaction from it off the dry ?
My Cobalt and my HDB, moves great (both stacked drilled)...Just wondering WTF is up with this ball ?
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Post by: Troyboy on August 28, 2006, 01:59:27 PM
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Post by: Steven on August 28, 2006, 01:59:48 PM
I doubt you're experiencing ball death. I've had my Dirty Bomb Pearl for a while, and no lost reaction so far. I actually wish mine would tame down a bit. The way I have it drilled, I have too much kick off the dry -- go figure.
Maybe consider a pattern other than stacked. Don't know what to suggest based on your style, but there is 'reaction' hiding somewhere in that ball.
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Post by: triggerman on August 28, 2006, 04:33:56 PM
Post by: Strapper_Squared on August 28, 2006, 05:04:18 PM
good luck.. if you figure anything out, let us know!
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Post by: lane1convert on August 28, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
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stacked drilling and bomb cores have issues
I could not agree more. I would recommend something along the lines of a label drilling, or something with the CG kicked out a bit. Just my opinion
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Post by: SprayNpray on August 28, 2006, 10:29:40 PM
Conversely, I have a Cherry Bomb pearl that I don't get along with, and I save it for severe breakdown because it skates VERY long, much like Strapper mentioned with his. It is a good down-and-in ball for me on broken down house shots.
The moral of the story is that there are so many combinations of layout, cover prep, bowling style, ball speed, oil conditions and lane surface that it can really be a crapshoot to find something that really rolls great. Luckily, me and my Saws haven't had that problem too many times.
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Post by: 302efi on August 28, 2006, 10:32:33 PM
I match up with the Bomb cores pretty good I think....Any last ditch effort to get this thing to work besides a redill ?
I've never seen ball with original Activator Pearl die...
Also if the Bomb cores don't work that well with a stacked drilling, then why doesnt Lane #1 put a warning on the drilling sheet or something ?
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Post by: SprayNpray on August 28, 2006, 11:07:59 PM
I too have never seen a ball with original pearl Activator die, so I highly doubt that is the problem.
One suggestion would be to have the ending static weights checked- this is scraping the bottom of the barrel for solutions but... I have seen for example, my Hybrid Dirty Bomb with the maximum 1 oz sideweight and no weighthole have a bear of a time making the corner. Rather than put a weighthole in it or change the drilling, I tried a couple of cover adjustments that didn't work so I traded it.
Not sure if perhaps the ball is over-flaring? I have heard that this can cause a ball to actually lose a good bit of reaction on the lanes. Not sure how you would go about diagnosing this, however. Simply brainstorming at this point.
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Post by: GTX on August 28, 2006, 11:17:36 PM
most of the bombs I got are drilled stacked and I love them
I think the issue here is just the ball not matching you as you hoped
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Post by: triggerman on August 29, 2006, 07:15:06 AM
That being said 302, give me specifics on each ball, you said 3 of them are stacked right? what are the pins, the pin placement, starting weights, ending weights and x hole locations if you have them
Post by: 302efi on August 29, 2006, 09:38:18 AM
HDB~
- 2 1/2 inch pin.
- Pin above ring cg stacked below it.
- X hole (shallow) 5 inches over, center
Cobalt~
- 3 1/2 inch pin.
- Pin above ring, cg stacked below.
- X hole (narrow, semi deep) 6 inches over (increasing), center
Hybrid Megatons~
- 2 inch pin
- Pin abouve ring, cg stacked
- X hole: None
As far as starting and ending side and top weights, I have no clue. I suppose I could find out though
As for the Dirty Bomb Pearl, it has a narrrow, deep X hole in the low thumb quad.
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Post by: triggerman on August 29, 2006, 01:52:33 PM
to start pin above fingers is long, or longer anyway. weight hole in your thumb quad makes it even longer. unless the top weight was extremely low, I gotta figure you finger weight is pretty high with that drilling. in order to get it to move/react you need some side and thumb wieght. I would be real interested to see the ending weights on that ball. my guess is you are probably really close to 0 or even negative on the side with your finger weight being up towards an ounce or so, with your thumb weight being none existant. my first step would be to weigh it up, get those ending weights and see if you can cut the finger weight down, by taking the fingers deeper (provided that is an issue) my bomb cores work best when i can equal the finger weight to the side weight. Just my 2 cents mind you
Post by: Retroman on August 29, 2006, 01:55:21 PM
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Post by: Steven on August 29, 2006, 03:04:23 PM
If the question is if the ball is inherently weak, the answer is a definite "no". With the right drill and matchup, the pearl DB can be a skid/flip monster.
And I question any absolutes such as stacked drills don't work on ball 'X'. We all throw the orbs different, and I've yet to see a drill (in the realm of common patterns) that don't work for some bowlers.
Personally, I stay away from stacked drills to the right of the ring. They tend to be too condition specific. I prefer drills that match up over a wider range of conditions, and allow me to better manipulate roll. However, I know others who almost always go with this pattern.
The answer is that you don't match up to this ball/drill -- period. Consider a plug and redrill based on input from someone who really knows your game.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on August 29, 2006, 08:50:37 PM
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Post by: SprayNpray on August 29, 2006, 09:10:39 PM
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I question any absolutes such as stacked drills don't work on ball 'X'. We all throw the orbs different, and I've yet to see a drill (in the realm of common patterns) that don't work for some bowlers.
Thank you, Steven. I couldn't agree more.
I stand my ground on what I said about the Bomb core stacked drill "myth". Case in point, my PAP is 5 over and 1/2 up. Not a terribly unusual PAP, and all of my other personal specs fall into middle-of-the-road territory as well.
That being said, I have had problems with the Hybrid Dirty Bomb, which happens to use the same core as the Dirty Bomb, both laid out very similarly. I have had problems with the Cherry Bomb, but great success with the Super Carbide Bomb laid out the same way (same core). It would be hard for me to point at the core/layout combination and say that it is the problem, because I have had mixed results using balls that share the same core with other balls.
I do agree there may be a solution in the static weights area, which was why I brought that up in the first place.
For what its worth, I have both my Cobalts (solid and pearl) drilled stacked (in line with ring finger) as well, and they both cover more boards than any other ball I own. No problem with reaction there...
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Post by: 302efi on August 30, 2006, 02:00:08 PM
He said at his house it was dry alot so he use to out the ball in he Luster King !!!
I guess that explains its, lol
So after that, I hit the ball with 180 grit (!) and gave it another how water bath...You wouldnt belive the stuff that came out, wow !
After that I hit it with 240 and then 320 wetsand. Then a nice application of Brunswick High-Gloss polish...and I tried it last night. We were suppose to get hit with that Hurricane/Tropical storm , so the bowling cenetr was almost empty
The ball was doing stuff its never done...Talk about flipping and crushing the pocket !...Just like a new ball
...Who would have thought that the ball was loaded with polish ?Thank god I figured this one out, this has been a ongoing fight between me and this ball, lol.
Thanks for the replies guys !
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Post by: GTX on August 30, 2006, 03:13:02 PM
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Post by: SprayNpray on August 30, 2006, 03:53:28 PM
That ball is awesome, I hope you enjoy it now that you have things cleared up.
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Post by: Tateman on August 30, 2006, 08:00:51 PM
Good to hear you worked it out
Post by: Retroman on August 30, 2006, 08:56:05 PM
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