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Title: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 05, 2008, 07:07:20 AM
Igot the buzzbomb drilledwith the pin at 9 o'clock located just above and in between the fingers. The ball just does not move and the flare rings are right next to each other. Threw another buzzbomb closely drilled the same but pin a little more over the ring finger. This ball the flare is almost 1/4 to 3/8 apart. Going to get it redrilled thinking more stacked good or bad idea.
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: the-7-year-itch on April 05, 2008, 04:32:26 PM
I would got with saw's answer. Mine is great drilled that way.
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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 05, 2008, 09:23:42 PM
When you say pin at 9:00 do you mean 9:00 to the CG or what??

With your flares being so close it seems like you have the pin too far away from your PAP.

I have mine drilled pin over ring with cg kicked out (approximately 4-1/2 x 4) and the flares are 1/2" apart and the ball is just flat out awesome.

If you can give me more info on the drilling I'll see if I can help you out some more.
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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 06, 2008, 08:48:13 AM
Yes I mean 9 o'clock to the cg. What do you think about the pin under drilling in the picture above.
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 06, 2008, 08:55:41 AM
9:00 oclock is above the fingers?

What clock system are you thinking of??

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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 06, 2008, 09:02:39 AM
The drilling looks similar to the cg out leverage on the ddill sheet. With the pin placed in between the fingers.
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: 300jd on April 06, 2008, 09:46:22 AM
would pin beside  ring finger and cg in palm be a good layout?
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Edited on 4/6/2008 9:48 AM
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: zeusjr on April 06, 2008, 10:29:07 AM
quote:
would pin beside  ring finger and cg in palm be a good layout?


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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: the-7-year-itch on April 06, 2008, 11:17:53 AM
If you drill it label make sure you have a shot pin or low top wieght. I had one with a 3" pin and 4oz of top drilled label and it would not move much at all. Richie replaced it for me and I drilled it with the pin above the ring finger abd the cg kicked out and the thing is great.
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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 06, 2008, 12:58:07 PM
Wow am I confused.....

pin is 9:00 to the CG and between the fingers? That would mean the pin is between the fingers and the cg must be kicked dead right....



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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 06, 2008, 02:53:54 PM
Sorry try to be more precise. Basically at 10:30

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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: t1buck on April 06, 2008, 03:07:43 PM
Guys
Here is link to a picture of the said ball. I am his brother thank for the help. He only gets about 1/8" to 1/4" gap on the flare rings.
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/t1buck/04-06-08_1021.jpg



Here is a picture of my buzz bomb that he gets about 3/8" to 1/2" gap between the flare rings.
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/t1buck/04-06-08_1025.jpg

Edited on 4/6/2008 3:15 PM
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: Strider on April 06, 2008, 03:26:07 PM
The two balls are very similar, assuming you both have similar PAP's.  The pictures are pretty small.  Do either of them have a weight hole?  It looks like they both do, at a pretty similar location - a little below grip center and about 3" right of the CG?  I'm not much of a drilling expert, but I thought I remembered reading something about weight holes drilled more than an inch inside/outside of the VAL decreasing flare.  Maybe c1buck needs to plug his weight hole and put it in a better location?  I thought the "normal" location was on the VAL on a line drawn from the grip center through the CG?  That would move the weight hole higher and a little left.  Hopefully someone who knows better can chime in.
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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 06, 2008, 05:58:18 PM
The pin is too far from his PAP thus decreasing overall flare. 3-3/8 from PAP will put the core in the maximum flaring position. Your pin is somewhere around 5-1/2" (assuming a fairly typical PAP of 5-1/4 right, up 1/2)

The pin on your brother's ball is closer to the max flare position and is located closer to the VAL. This position will increase overall flare and (as Mo has stated many times) the distance of the pin above the midline will increase backend as well.

If you want more flare you have no choice but to put the pin in a stronger position. If you were to drill the ball similar to my Cobalt Solid or my Nebula you will see a big difference.

http://dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/gforcenebulaball1.JPG

http://dougsproshop.net/images/MyArsenal/SoldBalls/CobaltSolid5.jpg

Keep us informed!!!
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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 06, 2008, 06:41:58 PM
would that be close to the stack drilling on the buzzbomb drill sheet.
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 06, 2008, 06:45:50 PM
My Nebula is a stacked Drilling while the CObalt SOlid is a CG kicked out...just not kicked out a lot.
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Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 06, 2008, 07:03:08 PM
Thanks for the replies and all the information. Was leaning towards the stack drilling. Will remember to talk about kicking the cg out.
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: sawdust on April 06, 2008, 09:39:58 PM
I had the same problem and lane 1 replaced my ball and told me to drill it with the pin 1/2" right of the ring finger and 1/2" up and everything stacked straight up with no thumb weight and put a little side weight on it.  And let me tell you it is a hooking mother maybe try that.
Title: Re: drilling problem
Post by: c1buck on April 07, 2008, 06:08:04 AM
Drilled in pro shop that I have used for the last 8 years. Bought over 15 balls and this is first one that I had drilled where I did not  like the reactions.