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Storm269

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Dulling the Dynamo
« on: March 05, 2009, 12:11:12 AM »
I brought a Dynamo and is drilled stacked. Because of my high speed, my Pro shop guy suggested dulling it to 1000 grit. What do you think ? The ball reaction will be smoother ?
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 08:15:47 AM »
Better to try it then never, why waste a good ball by never changing the surface.
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psaunders300

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 08:23:53 AM »
I am planning on doing the same thing with mine...let me know how this works for you!
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triggerman

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 10:49:39 AM »
going to 1000 grit or even a 1k abralon will allow the ball to start up sooner and give a smoother move off the dry, this is true for any ball on the market

have you tried your ball in the condition you recievied it?  where is the pin in relation to your pap?  balance hole anywhere?  there are several areas that can dictate movement, not jsut the pin placement
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JimOhio

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2009, 11:37:18 AM »
The Dynamo is already 1000 Grit Abralon OOB.
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BuzzBomb Stacked 288 742 702
BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
Agent Orange Stacked 257 702
Chainsaw Stacked
Dynamo-1 Stacked 265 738
Dynamo-2 Received
G-Force Solid Received

Edited on 3/5/2009 12:39 PM
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2009, 11:40:30 AM »
Sorry Wrong!!

4k

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The Dynamo is already 1000 Grit Abralon OOB.
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BuzzBomb Stacked 288 742 702
BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
Agent Orange Stacked 257 702
Chainsaw Stacked
Dynamo-1 Stacked 265 738
Dynamo-2 Received
G-Force Solid Received

Edited on 3/5/2009 12:39 PM
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Roy Munson

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 11:50:37 AM »
it is.
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Shermster

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2009, 12:24:24 PM »
^ So you're telling me the Dynamo isn't 4000K OOB??? WTH
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Roy Munson

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2009, 12:48:03 PM »
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It's a miss print. Was on the phone with Lane #1 and told to take my second Dynamo up to 4000 grit abralon and I would love it. I said I thought it was already at 4000 grit, he said it's at 1000 grit. It's a miss print. That explains why my Dynamo was hitting so funny it was burning up even though it looked good going into the pocket. I took it up to 4000 grit abralon and used it all night ( 2 leagues) 6 games. Wow what a ball it is now.
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BuzzBomb Stacked 288 742 702
BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
Agent Orange Stacked 257 702
Chainsaw Stacked
Dynamo-1 Stacked 265 738
Dynamo-2 Received
G-Force Solid Received

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. . . . . . Thanks for the info
. . . . . . I'll do that tonight
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jls

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 01:20:07 PM »
Now I hope all the FOS groupies are paying attention.  It's a simple thing like this that can cause a major problem,  for us pro shops.  You know the ones that have to drill the balls.  If we are told that the ball is at 4000k,  we pass this along to the customer. Many times we might drill a 4000k ball completely different then a 1000k ball!!!!!

It's not just a simple, hit it with a 1000k pad.  We might have drilled the 4000k with the pin above the fingers,  and we might drill the 1000ok ball with the pin 4" to the pap.  Two COMPLETELY different drillings.  So a pad adjustment still may not solve the problem.  

And just who, who is the customer going to be upset with?????  US the darn pro shops that just drilled their $200 ball!!!!!

This is why when any comapny hypes their product up,  it's US the pro shops that have to explain and answer the customers!!!!!

Now when you say a ball might hook out of the house, and it don't,  who do you think hears about it?????

Now this ball at 1000k may be way too strong and early for most on the so called house shot.  Therefore it won't hook out of the house, it will simply burn up and roll out!!!!!!

This is why to US real pro shops who drill these balls day in and out, and do not play bowling pro shop expert while at work pounding a key board,  the facts need to be accurate!!!!!

Now I realize the FOS groupies who buy their Buzz'z on ebay will have plenty to say about this.   Like I care.  And one day Lane 1 may wake up and realize that it is people like me, pro shops that sell drill and promote their balls, not "at work groupies"  playing pro shop online.

So fos groupies, fire away, have a feel day.  I could care less what a bunch of make believe wan a bee EBAY used ball shoppers think or say.

are we clear
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Roy Munson

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2009, 01:36:29 PM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=230312&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2

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3/3/2009 5:06 PM   Reply with quote CRD, you were in rare form the other day. Now stop picking on the Dynamo Lane #1 boys. BTW have you seen any of those beasts on the lanes?

I haven't

But that may just be because the houses around here have not made their lanes 5 boards wider

BTW, Steven says hey, now give him heck

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OK. You have not seen one. Most probably you haven't drilled one.
I guess your rant is for future references?
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triggerman

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2009, 01:40:26 PM »
As one of the founders of the FOS groupies as you so bluntly put it JLS I am gonna call horse sh!t on you drilling balls differently depending on surface.  Any shop worth its weight uses a surface adjustment ot acheive a desired or enhnaced reaction after drilling, no one and I mean no one drills according to out of box surface

To set the record straight, yes there is confusion on this surface of this ball, but my best educated guess puts it at 2k abralon, its not dull enough to be 1k abralon (which is close to 600 paper)  if truth be told its between 1k and 2k abralon, and I attribute that to the speed of the haas machine its on
 

I am for the record JLS not one of your pound the keyboard play proshop online guys, we drill balls we sell locally, we service what we sell, and over the hundreds of balls we have drilled and/or recomended, I have taken 1 ball back due to non performance.  Ive went as far to take back balls that I sold online that the local driller chose not to take my advice and drill it differently.

your lack of knowledge on the whole lane 1 thing really gets to me, if you dont like them dont sell them, simple  if you are worried about accuracy, they have a toll free number, wont cost you a dime, and I can bet money you can talk right to the head man

once again drilling a ball based upon surface prep is BS, if that is the way you drill I would advise everyone to stay out of your shop, drilling should be done via a bowlers pap, speed, revs and ball numbers, not over how shiney the cover is, did I make that clear enough?  do we need pictures?  surface prep is used to fine tune that reaction.  Now if you dont mind, please leave my FOS alone, go back to pitching Global and bashing Big b on their pricing structure.  your comments here are unfullfilling as well as inaccurate, you do yourself a great disservice by spouting useless info on these boards.  Ive been mum on many things, but this lack of professionalism as well as lack of knowledge really is not the way to come across, I see why your customers come down on a "wrong drilling" in your shop

As far as their buying on ebay/internet, I dont care, I make just as much off that as I do them buying a ball, I will say I give the caution when they buy something that may limit my ability to do what they want

So next time think about your post and say to yourself, does this add value to this thread?  the OP was just looking for advice on his recently acquired ball as to whether to redrill or change surface.  Whats easier JLS?  in my shop its changing the surface, plus its cheaper for my customer, which says to me they will be back in the future

Stay on topic and people dont come down on you, if you want to vent about this surface snafu, start your own thread, dont litter up the information highway by posting your detoured roadblock, your clutter is unwanted and unwarranted in this post
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JoshY

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2009, 01:41:44 PM »
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So fos groupies, fire away, have a feel day


Where do I sign up for this "feel" day?

What is involved? Will there be pretty ladies?
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jls

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2009, 01:59:29 PM »
Trigg,  If we sell someone a Bounty with a OOB finish of 1000k,  we may set this ball up for heavy oil.  Maybe a 4" to pap and a 4 1/2 to mb.

If we sell someone a Virtual with a OOB finish of 4000k,  we may be drilling this ball for a light - med oil pattern,  Therefore we probably would not drill it the same way as we might drill a ball for heavy oil.

We might move the pin 5" from the PAP or above the fingers depending on the situation.

These are two completely different drillings.  No way in heck you are going to get the same reaction out of a pin above drilling, as you would with a pin 4" to pap.  Now sure you can add some surface to the 4000k pin above, but it will NEVER react like a 1000K with the pin 4" to the PAP.

Now the point here sir,  is that if we are lead to believe the oob is at 4000K,
or at 1000k,  we would recommend these balls for different conditions, and therefore we may use different layouts.  You see Sir, we don't drill every ball the same way!!!!!!  Therefore sir,  a surface adjustment is not always the answer.

Now many times if we set a ball up for heavy, and the OOB is at 1000k,  a surface adjustment is needed, and if so, we do it.  But when a customer buys a ball and has a layout for a long and strong reaction, believing the OOB is at 4000k,  and finds out that the ball is really at 1000k,  he will not see the reaction he asked for!!!!!!!  Even with a surface adjustment.

Now I didn't knock your ball drilling, so I wonder why you felt it was a must to attack me.  You just showed you have no class, in addition to not knowing what the heck you are talking about.

If someone wants a 1000k OOB finish for heavy oil, they don't want a 4000k go long ball.  And if someone is buying a 4000k oob finish to clear the heads and drive harder at the backend, they don't want to find out that just bought a 1000k.   I don't know about your shop, but here we would lay out these balls differently.  So when you mouth off about a simple adjustment,  you are way off base.

A max lev 3 3/8 at 1000k  will always react different from a Pin above the fingers at 1000k.

You sir are a typical FOS, even when wrong, you simply attack and bash.
And you FOS people wonder why most think you are all nothing but a big joke.

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Edited on 3/5/2009 3:02 PM
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Steven

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Re: Dulling the Dynamo
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2009, 02:10:30 PM »
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You sir are a typical FOS, even when wrong, you simply attack and bash.
And you FOS people wonder why most think you are all nothing but a big joke.


jls: Trig is a class act on this forum, always going the extra mile to provide valuable information. Your response to him is rude and uncalled for.

BTW, I agree with Trig. The concept of drilling based on cover prep for a given ball is odd at best. Maybe you want to start another thread to get thoughts on the method.
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