Post by: Storm269 on March 05, 2009, 12:11:12 AM
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Virtual Gravity Agent Orange Buzzsaw Clear Diamond
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 05, 2009, 08:15:47 AM
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Post by: triggerman on March 05, 2009, 10:49:39 AM
have you tried your ball in the condition you recievied it? where is the pin in relation to your pap? balance hole anywhere? there are several areas that can dictate movement, not jsut the pin placement
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Post by: JimOhio on March 05, 2009, 11:37:18 AM
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BuzzBomb Stacked 288 742 702
BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
Agent Orange Stacked 257 702
Chainsaw Stacked
Dynamo-1 Stacked 265 738
Dynamo-2 Received
G-Force Solid Received
Edited on 3/5/2009 12:39 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 05, 2009, 11:40:30 AM
4k
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=7&BallID=954
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The Dynamo is already 1000 Grit Abralon OOB.
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BuzzBomb Stacked 288 742 702
BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
Agent Orange Stacked 257 702
Chainsaw Stacked
Dynamo-1 Stacked 265 738
Dynamo-2 Received
G-Force Solid Received
Edited on 3/5/2009 12:39 PM
Post by: Roy Munson on March 05, 2009, 11:50:37 AM
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Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."
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Post by: Shermster on March 05, 2009, 12:24:24 PM
Post by: Roy Munson on March 05, 2009, 12:48:03 PM
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It's a miss print. Was on the phone with Lane #1 and told to take my second Dynamo up to 4000 grit abralon and I would love it. I said I thought it was already at 4000 grit, he said it's at 1000 grit. It's a miss print. That explains why my Dynamo was hitting so funny it was burning up even though it looked good going into the pocket. I took it up to 4000 grit abralon and used it all night ( 2 leagues) 6 games. Wow what a ball it is now.
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BuzzBomb Stacked 288 742 702
BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
Agent Orange Stacked 257 702
Chainsaw Stacked
Dynamo-1 Stacked 265 738
Dynamo-2 Received
G-Force Solid Received
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. . . . . . Thanks for the info
. . . . . . I'll do that tonight
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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."
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Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 01:20:07 PM
It's not just a simple, hit it with a 1000k pad. We might have drilled the 4000k with the pin above the fingers, and we might drill the 1000ok ball with the pin 4" to the pap. Two COMPLETELY different drillings. So a pad adjustment still may not solve the problem.
And just who, who is the customer going to be upset with????? US the darn pro shops that just drilled their $200 ball!!!!!
This is why when any comapny hypes their product up, it's US the pro shops that have to explain and answer the customers!!!!!
Now when you say a ball might hook out of the house, and it don't, who do you think hears about it?????
Now this ball at 1000k may be way too strong and early for most on the so called house shot. Therefore it won't hook out of the house, it will simply burn up and roll out!!!!!!
This is why to US real pro shops who drill these balls day in and out, and do not play bowling pro shop expert while at work pounding a key board, the facts need to be accurate!!!!!
Now I realize the FOS groupies who buy their Buzz'z on ebay will have plenty to say about this. Like I care. And one day Lane 1 may wake up and realize that it is people like me, pro shops that sell drill and promote their balls, not "at work groupies" playing pro shop online.
So fos groupies, fire away, have a feel day. I could care less what a bunch of make believe wan a bee EBAY used ball shoppers think or say.
are we clear
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 05, 2009, 01:36:29 PM
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jls Group: Users
3/3/2009 5:06 PM Reply with quote CRD, you were in rare form the other day. Now stop picking on the Dynamo Lane #1 boys. BTW have you seen any of those beasts on the lanes?
I haven't
But that may just be because the houses around here have not made their lanes 5 boards wider
BTW, Steven says hey, now give him heck
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jls
OK. You have not seen one. Most probably you haven't drilled one.
I guess your rant is for future references?
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Roy Munson: "Morning! I hope you don't mind, I got up a little early. So I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up. She sure is a stubborn one. Then pow, all at once."
Mr. Boorg: "We don't have a cow. We have a bull."
***** Looking for Pearl Cherry C/2 *****
Post by: triggerman on March 05, 2009, 01:40:26 PM
To set the record straight, yes there is confusion on this surface of this ball, but my best educated guess puts it at 2k abralon, its not dull enough to be 1k abralon (which is close to 600 paper) if truth be told its between 1k and 2k abralon, and I attribute that to the speed of the haas machine its on
I am for the record JLS not one of your pound the keyboard play proshop online guys, we drill balls we sell locally, we service what we sell, and over the hundreds of balls we have drilled and/or recomended, I have taken 1 ball back due to non performance. Ive went as far to take back balls that I sold online that the local driller chose not to take my advice and drill it differently.
your lack of knowledge on the whole lane 1 thing really gets to me, if you dont like them dont sell them, simple if you are worried about accuracy, they have a toll free number, wont cost you a dime, and I can bet money you can talk right to the head man
once again drilling a ball based upon surface prep is BS, if that is the way you drill I would advise everyone to stay out of your shop, drilling should be done via a bowlers pap, speed, revs and ball numbers, not over how shiney the cover is, did I make that clear enough? do we need pictures? surface prep is used to fine tune that reaction. Now if you dont mind, please leave my FOS alone, go back to pitching Global and bashing Big b on their pricing structure. your comments here are unfullfilling as well as inaccurate, you do yourself a great disservice by spouting useless info on these boards. Ive been mum on many things, but this lack of professionalism as well as lack of knowledge really is not the way to come across, I see why your customers come down on a "wrong drilling" in your shop
As far as their buying on ebay/internet, I dont care, I make just as much off that as I do them buying a ball, I will say I give the caution when they buy something that may limit my ability to do what they want
So next time think about your post and say to yourself, does this add value to this thread? the OP was just looking for advice on his recently acquired ball as to whether to redrill or change surface. Whats easier JLS? in my shop its changing the surface, plus its cheaper for my customer, which says to me they will be back in the future
Stay on topic and people dont come down on you, if you want to vent about this surface snafu, start your own thread, dont litter up the information highway by posting your detoured roadblock, your clutter is unwanted and unwarranted in this post
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Post by: JoshY on March 05, 2009, 01:41:44 PM
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So fos groupies, fire away, have a feel day
Where do I sign up for this "feel" day?
What is involved? Will there be pretty ladies?
Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 01:59:29 PM
If we sell someone a Virtual with a OOB finish of 4000k, we may be drilling this ball for a light - med oil pattern, Therefore we probably would not drill it the same way as we might drill a ball for heavy oil.
We might move the pin 5" from the PAP or above the fingers depending on the situation.
These are two completely different drillings. No way in heck you are going to get the same reaction out of a pin above drilling, as you would with a pin 4" to pap. Now sure you can add some surface to the 4000k pin above, but it will NEVER react like a 1000K with the pin 4" to the PAP.
Now the point here sir, is that if we are lead to believe the oob is at 4000K,
or at 1000k, we would recommend these balls for different conditions, and therefore we may use different layouts. You see Sir, we don't drill every ball the same way!!!!!! Therefore sir, a surface adjustment is not always the answer.
Now many times if we set a ball up for heavy, and the OOB is at 1000k, a surface adjustment is needed, and if so, we do it. But when a customer buys a ball and has a layout for a long and strong reaction, believing the OOB is at 4000k, and finds out that the ball is really at 1000k, he will not see the reaction he asked for!!!!!!! Even with a surface adjustment.
Now I didn't knock your ball drilling, so I wonder why you felt it was a must to attack me. You just showed you have no class, in addition to not knowing what the heck you are talking about.
If someone wants a 1000k OOB finish for heavy oil, they don't want a 4000k go long ball. And if someone is buying a 4000k oob finish to clear the heads and drive harder at the backend, they don't want to find out that just bought a 1000k. I don't know about your shop, but here we would lay out these balls differently. So when you mouth off about a simple adjustment, you are way off base.
A max lev 3 3/8 at 1000k will always react different from a Pin above the fingers at 1000k.
You sir are a typical FOS, even when wrong, you simply attack and bash.
And you FOS people wonder why most think you are all nothing but a big joke.
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jls
Edited on 3/5/2009 3:02 PM
Post by: Steven on March 05, 2009, 02:10:30 PM
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You sir are a typical FOS, even when wrong, you simply attack and bash.
And you FOS people wonder why most think you are all nothing but a big joke.
jls: Trig is a class act on this forum, always going the extra mile to provide valuable information. Your response to him is rude and uncalled for.
BTW, I agree with Trig. The concept of drilling based on cover prep for a given ball is odd at best. Maybe you want to start another thread to get thoughts on the method.
Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
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once again drilling a ball based upon surface prep is BS, if that is the way you drill I would advise everyone to stay out of your shop, drilling should be done via a bowlers pap, speed, revs and ball numbers, not over how shiney the cover is, did I make that clear enough? do we need pictures? surface prep is used to fine tune that reaction. Now if you dont mind, please leave my FOS alone, go back to pitching Global and bashing Big b on their pricing structure. your comments here are unfullfilling as well as inaccurate, you do yourself a great disservice by spouting useless info on these boards. Ive been mum on many things, but this lack of professionalism as well as lack of knowledge really is not the way to come across, I see why your customers come down on a "wrong drilling" in your shop
As far as their buying on ebay/internet, I dont care, I make just as much off that as I do them buying a ball, I will say I give the caution when they buy something that may limit my ability to do what they want
So next time think about your post and say to yourself, does this add value to this thread? the OP was just looking for advice on his recently acquired ball as to whether to redrill or change surface. Whats easier JLS? in my shop its changing the surface, plus its cheaper for my customer, which says to me they will be back in the future
Stay on topic and people dont come down on you, if you want to vent about this surface snafu, start your own thread, dont litter up the information highway by posting your detoured roadblock, your clutter is unwanted and unwarranted in this post
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Lane #1 Baby
Did not say drilling a ball on surface prep, said we might drill a 4000K Virtual for a completely different lane condition then we would layout and drill a 1000k Bounty.
Now if we are lead to believe that a ball is at 4000k and another ball is at 1000k, we might pick the 4000k for one oil pattern, and the 1000k oob for another oil pattern. You see mr FOS, that is why balls come out in different OOB finishes.
Now if you think you can take a ball that is drilled pin above and with a simple surface adjustment make it as strong as a ball that is drilled Max lev for heavy oil, then you sir are a complete ID-10-T.
So you go right ahead and attack my shop, cause you have just proven, your an idiot. Why do you think they have all these layouts available if all one has to do is make a simple surface adjustment. Your an Idiot.
Manufactures go though all the trouble of putting drill sheets in boxes and having seminars to teach pro shops about different layouts and ball reactions, and you sir come on and attack me and say, just do a simple surface adjustment.
I feel sorry for your customers, all 2 of them.
You are a total typical FOS, joke
goodbye
now are we clear
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jls
Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 02:17:57 PM
quote:quote:
You sir are a typical FOS, even when wrong, you simply attack and bash.
And you FOS people wonder why most think you are all nothing but a big joke.
jls: Trig is a class act on this forum, always going the extra mile to provide valuable information. Your response to him is rude and uncalled for.
BTW, I agree with Trig. The concept of drilling based on cover prep for a given ball is odd at best. Maybe you want to start another thread to get thoughts on the method.
Steven, did you read his post to me????????????????
Odd at best, you also know nothing about what you are talking about.
Would you lay a VIBE out for heavy oil, would you lay a Bounty out for dry???
You lay a ball out to best match what the ball is capable of doing.
Now if laying a Bounty out, if you put the pin above the fingers, it will NOT react the same way as if MAX leverage, so don't tell me about a simple surface adjustment.
And if you layout a vibe with the pin above, A simple surface adjustment will not turn this ball into a BOUNTY for heavy oil.
Steven, you are nothing more then a bias FOS groupie.
now get lost, cause you bore me with you stupidity.
Now go try and play with CRD
clear boy
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jls
Edited on 3/5/2009 3:36 PM
Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 02:23:58 PM
You FOS people are indeed the laughing stock of this site.
SAWHEADS, idiots.
Steven, you got some nerve, the gall, more crust then a pie factory to come on and say I was rude to Trig, after all the rude crude things this FOS thing said about me.
You Steven have clearly show what a bias piece of garbage you are.
Read one of the reviews on the Dynamo, The guy posted, that this is the biggest monster at 4000k he has seen, Guess what boy, he was using it at 1000k, and that is why it was a monster. The 4000k was a misprint, therefore his review is based on a misprint!!!!!
Steven, you are a joke.
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jls
Post by: Steven on March 05, 2009, 02:24:39 PM
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If we are told that the ball is at 4000k, we pass this along to the customer. Many times we might drill a 4000k ball completely different then a 1000k ball!!!!!
jls: I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. Normally, your scatter brained approach to posting is amusing, but it can get old. And this is one of those cases.
Now, maybe I misinterpreted your quote above. It seems to be implying you'd drill the same ball different if it's 4000k vs. 1000k. If you're saying something else, please try to be more clear.
Post by: strikealot on March 05, 2009, 02:28:41 PM
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Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 02:33:51 PM
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can someone please tell me what FOS stands for
Fellowship of sawheads.
But many others feel it stands for something else like,
FULL OF CRAP .... Sub crap for , well you know.
I have lost all respect for the FOS. They are the most bias a holes on this whole site.
No matter how wrong these idiots are, they stick together and attack.
This piece of trash call Trig is going to tell me that you can drill a dynamo with the pin above, or max lev, and with a simple surface adjustment get the same reaction. Not in this f-ing lifetime.
And his boy toy Steven, comes on and sucks up to him with his garbage.
FOS, Bias full of crap sawheads.
they make me sick
goodbye
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jls
Post by: jls on March 05, 2009, 02:40:56 PM
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If we are told that the ball is at 4000k, we pass this along to the customer. Many times we might drill a 4000k ball completely different then a 1000k ball!!!!!
jls: I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. Normally, your scatter brained approach to posting is amusing, but it can get old. And this is one of those cases.
Now, maybe I misinterpreted your quote above. It seems to be implying you'd drill the same ball different if it's 4000k vs. 1000k. If you're saying something else, please try to be more clear.
Steven, what I'm am saying is this. If I have two balls on the rack, one at a oob 1000K designed for early revs and roll, and another at 4000k designed for
more length and backend. I would drill the 1000k for someone wanting a ball for heavy oil, thus I would layout the pin accordingly. I would not drill up a Bounty for dry lanes and tell the customer, change the surface. Nor would I drill up a Vibe for a customer wanting a heavy oil ball and tell him to change the surface.
You FOS people are what out a doubt the most bias people on this site. Even when wrong, deny deny deny. If a FOS member said the sun sets in the east, all would agree. You all went to the Clinton school of LIARS, "I did not have sex with that women" Deny deny deny, that is what the FOS does best. No wonder everyone on this site thinks the FOS groupies are a joke.
And you Steven are the biggest Clinton wanabee of them all. You will come on and twist and turn everything. You think your so clever the way you cut and paste. Paste this!!!! CRD made you look like the idiot you are. And your buddy trig reviews a ball base on it being 4000k, and guess what, it wasn't at 4000k oob, because Lane #1 had a misprint in their ad. The ball is 1000k oob. So back to the drawing board FOS.
Makes me really laugh when I read reviews on how great this ball work OOB at 4000k, when it wasn't!!!!!
A joke, a total joke!!!!!
And then this Trig is going to tell me about changing the surface. I have 40 feet of shelf space devoted to ball cleaners, polish and Abralon pads, and this trig is going to tell me about ball surface.
Now I have had my good laugh for the day.
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jls
Edited on 3/5/2009 5:32 PM
Post by: Steven on March 05, 2009, 02:41:16 PM
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goodbye
One of the few coherent thoughts in your last post.....
Regardless, before you leave, can you please take the time to answer the last question I asked? Thanks.
On edit: I didn't see your response above. Thanks for the clarification.
Edited on 3/5/2009 3:42 PM
Post by: T-GOD on March 05, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
If I have two balls on the rack, one at a oob 1000K designed for early revs and roll, and another at 4000k designed for more length and backend. I would drill the 1000k for someone wanting a ball for heavy oil, thus I would layout the pin accordingly.Are you saying you would drill a stronger pin sposition on the ball with more surface..? If so, having a stonger cover prep and a stronger pin layout can sometimes be overkill. Just a thought. =:^D
Post by: Storm269 on March 05, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
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Dynamo Buzzsaw THS Buzzsaw Clear DiamondEdited on 3/5/2009 5:08 PM