Post by: chrisleftwich on March 01, 2009, 12:10:41 AM
The ball would just kind of turn real lazy and wouldn't get there. Was playing about 12 straight up. My polished Agent Orange was hooking more and that is what I ended up throwing.
Kind of sad as that is why i got the dynamo for these long oil tournament and it did not work for me, cover was OOB. Maybe I should have gotten two agent oranges and just left one OOB.
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Post by: themagician on March 01, 2009, 09:03:16 AM
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Post by: chrisleftwich on March 01, 2009, 09:12:25 AM
The only hook that anyone was getting on the lane at all was a little bit in the backend, but not much.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 01, 2009, 10:30:03 AM
PS: With my slower speed, it would probably perform great for me on THS at Heritage Lanes. I am thinking about going back to 15#, so you can drop it off in my hands if you don't like it.
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Post by: JimOhio on March 01, 2009, 10:30:45 AM
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BuzzBomb/r Stacked 277 725
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Post by: chrisleftwich on March 01, 2009, 11:36:34 AM
I will have pro shop double check all of that as that might be the problem.
Brick,
Talking about ball speed, you have only seen me throw in league which I do throw pretty fast, but in a tournament i will throw slow if need be.
Hopefully I can get this ball to react the same as the agent orange because that ball is a absolute beast.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on March 01, 2009, 12:43:26 PM
As for why your Agent ORange was working, that ball comes at 500 grit. If you just polished over that, you still have more surface than teh Dynamo.
Hit teh Dynamo with a 1000 grit Abralon pad and try again...also do you know the statics of the ball and also how "pin over ring, cg out 1/2" relates to your PAP specs?
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 01, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
. . . my pap is 4 1/8 -> down 5/16
. . . pin placement is 5" from PAP
. . . 3 3/8 from cg
. . . gives me length and a hockey stick movement
. . . which is what I want
. . . at 15.5 to 16.5 speed and about 400 revs
. . . this suits my game
. . . if I wanted it to hook early
. . . I would have ordered a 2" pin
. . . drill it 3 3/8 x 3 3/8
. . . with pin under ring
. . . if I want a banana style reaction
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Post by: sammy on March 01, 2009, 06:41:01 PM
Post by: beachcomberjones on March 01, 2009, 07:54:46 PM
I had two dynamo's that were pin up and both went long, surface adjustment helps a little but honestly pin down is whats going to get the huge movement you want.
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Post by: triggerman on March 02, 2009, 06:47:30 AM
What is your pap?
A pin above ring, cg out 1/2 will not be for the most part a good drilling for heavy long oil!
Pin ups for others doesnt always equate to length either.
A personal example if you will.
My first dynamo I drilled per the dual angle layout method that morich is so fond of. and personally what I saw of the ball was exactly what the layout said I should have gotten
I laid my first ball out with a 35* drilling angle, pin to pap of 5.5 and val angle of 35* for me this resulted with the pin above ring (almost 1" above and slighted towards the bridge)
By definition of the dual angle layout, the 35^ drillangle allows the core to spin very fast very early. the longer pin length provided me some extra length. the 35* val angle provided a very quick start off the friction, on longer oil this drilling was ideal, not a big big mover but when it sniffed dry it moved, when others couldnt make the turn this ball easily made the hole
now looking at your drilling, based upon a standard 5" up slightly pap
your drillangle would be in the 45-55 degree range making for a slow core start up (IE length) your pin would be in the 4-4.5 range (which is a good distance IMHO) but then your val angle is once again in the 45 or so range, which provides for a slower start off the dry (once again length) by moving the cg out futher, something like 1.5-2" range and assuming rpms in the 300 range (place an x hole roughly 6-7" from your grip center on your grip center line, you would see a ball that still has decent length but would be able to make the turn downlane where you are not seeing it turn now
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 02, 2009, 08:28:52 AM
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Post by: triggerman on March 02, 2009, 09:25:31 AM
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Post by: Gazoo on March 02, 2009, 09:57:00 AM
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 02, 2009, 10:32:56 AM
Pin is 1.5 inches above ring
.5 inches to right of ring
pin, cg and mb stacked.
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where is the pin at Roy?
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Post by: triggerman on March 02, 2009, 10:50:40 AM
how long is the pin?
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Post by: triggerman on March 02, 2009, 10:54:01 AM
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Post by: chrisleftwich on March 02, 2009, 11:13:08 AM
Thank you for the great reply, i have wrote you a message with everything.
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 02, 2009, 11:18:22 AM
4" pin
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your core should rev pretty fast, and the ball should react hard to the friction down lane. based upon your information and doing some rough math, I would put your drill angle in the 40* range, you have already said the pin is 5" and the height of the pin tells me that the val angle is also on the shallow side (40* or so) as I said this for you should result in a quick reving core that once it hits the dry reacts very hard to friction
how long is the pin?
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Post by: triggerman on March 02, 2009, 01:46:52 PM
drill angle 37* with a pin to pap of 5" and the val angle also at 37*
this would result with your pap with the pin 1.5" above ring, roughly 1/2" outside it, cg stacked but I have the cg at closer to 2.5 to pap then the 3.375. quick reving core, quick off the dry, but the high pin pulls it further down lane so you naturally get a bit more length and a harder move off the dry
how close am I roy?
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 02, 2009, 02:04:15 PM
. . . it's my new hockey stick
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Post by: bowlerdawg on March 02, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
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Post by: bowlerdawg on March 02, 2009, 10:38:50 PM
on top of already winning the dumbest human
wow its good to be you
whatever
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You may have 1/6 oz top weight and 1/16 too much thumb weight. This will cause the ball not hook at all.
Please cehck your static weight...
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Post by: chrisleftwich on March 03, 2009, 05:43:08 AM
added a x-hole last night and the ball makes a better turn. It is definately one of the smoother rolling balls I have owned. I will try the ball at 1000, 2000 and maybe some polish to see where I get the best reaction.
Agent orange is still a beast, 2000 grit polished seems to be the best for this ball
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