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Equipment Boards => Lane #1 => Topic started by: Nicanor on March 12, 2009, 08:50:09 AM
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I took the Dynamo down to 4000 Ablaron on a spinner with a little water and some ball cleaner. The ball looked almost polished if not polished. The ball pushed very well through the oil and had a very strong back end reaction. Totally different ball then at 1000 Abalron as it should be. With clean/fresh backends the ball was very consistant but extremely angular off the break point. Once we got a little carry down the ball got a little squirrely. If I wasn't bowling league I would have worked going around the carry down. I just changed balls to my Agent Orange and finished the set. Right before the second set I took the Dynamo down to 2000 Ablaron by hand and threw some shots with it before the next set started. The ball looked like it would work extremely well at 2000. I put it away because it would have been illegal to throw the ball in competition after I took the ball down to 2000. So I'll try it at 2000 tomorrow.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Barry,
This is for you and others who may read it, but it's no criticism.
That 4000 Abrlaon pad was probably worn beyond its usability point. Unless you use it to apply polish, the result of using a 4000 Abralon pad will not look polished UNLESS the abrasive has been worn to a higher grit level than 4000 FEPA grit. It always has "dullness" or matte appearance. So the ball reaction was probably slight flippier and slightly more susceptible to carrydown than a true 4000 grit Abralon finish. I have seen this more than a fewtimes. When I see a shine from a 4000 Abralon pad, I know I used it beyond its expected life. Time for a fresh one and to re-do the ball.
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Jeff,
I have a whole box of 4000 ablaron pads and I used a fresh brand new pad.
I used a fresh Ablaron pad, a little water on the pad to start and then added some Power House Energizer Ball cleaner at high speed. If I did it by hand I would have had the matte finish. I used a fresh pad just to make sure I put a 4000 on it. Maybe the Energizer cleaner and the Ablaron pad at high speed gave it the polish looking appearance.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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(Nicanor) is right at 4000 the ball will appear polished.
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he applied polish thats why it looks that way. A true 4000 abralon pad will look matte (dull), unless you put it on there for a long time, then it will look glassy.
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He applied ball cleaner, not polish.
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I'm under the impression that Power House Energizer Ball Cleaner has no polishes in it. I could be wrong.
I have been told in the past that I should/could get away with polish on a lot of my equipment (solids, but not all) if I used a 4000 Ablaron pad with a little bit of water on a spinner at high speed. Can't get that look by hand unless your really good. But by hand I can easily see the matte finish.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Jeff,
I have a whole box of 4000 ablaron pads and I used a fresh brand new pad.
I used a fresh Ablaron pad, a little water on the pad to start and then added some Power House Energizer Ball cleaner at high speed. If I did it by hand I would have had the matte finish. I used a fresh pad just to make sure I put a 4000 on it. Maybe the Energizer cleaner and the Ablaron pad at high speed gave it the polish looking appearance.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
That could be the case. Many people in the past year or so have reported seeing a shine or glaze when applying cleaners on the spinner. I have personally begun recommending people NOT do that.
As far as I am concerned, a 4000 grit Abralon pad should never, under any circumstances, result in a shined ball or any glazing at all. It should be obvious that it is a true matte finish.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited on 3/13/2009 12:01 PM
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(Nicanor) is right at 4000 the ball will appear polished.
No, it will not. I stand by that statement.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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i hit mine with a 4k pad (new to boot) and it is a matte finish, I didnt get the polished look until I hit it with ebo factory refinisher
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Triggerman
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I read the label on the Power Energizer ball cleaner and it says nothing about polish. It just cleans the ball. Not understand the light shine with it and a new 4000 Ablaron pad.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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I read the label on the Power Energizer ball cleaner and it says nothing about polish. It just cleans the ball. Not understand the light shine with it and a new 4000 Ablaron pad.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Neither do I. I've seen it first hand when I read people complaining about it. I saw it with both Track's/Powerhouse's Power Wash and Brunswick's Remove-all.
I believe this is also the reason that micro-fiber towels are prohibited or will be prohibited soon in the PBA and the USBC: if you use enough pressure, a micro-fiber towel and water will polish a all!
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Jeff,
I thought that about the water. Thats why I even use the water. It both dilutes the cleaner and cleans the ball very well while cleaning the ball with an Ablaron pad.
Thanks,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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yes, the powerhouse cleaner will polish a ball, my proshop has polished several balls by doing this and it seems to work nicely at my house...
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Don't disagree Strikealot, but is there polish in the Power House Energy cleaner?
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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if you are using ebonite powerhouse which is a white paste, it most def is a polish and one of my favs, at least with pressure i can heat it up and get a great shine with it
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Triggerman
F.O.S Loud, F.O.S. Proud
Lane #1 Baby
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No Triggerman,
I am using the Power House Energizer ball cleaner that came in a pump spray plastic bottle.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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dont know what is in the cleaner, but i know it does polish when used on a spinner , and yes im talking about the spray also
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gotcha
I will agree with the microfiber towel+water+plus pressure on a spinner will produce a shine tho. if the towel is getting hot, you are doing some polishing
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Triggerman
F.O.S Loud, F.O.S. Proud
Lane #1 Baby
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its a nice tacky finish to
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Strikealot,
And thats exactly why I bought the Energizer ball cleaner at the Military Bowling Championships. It reminds me a lot of Valentino Bowling Products ball cleaner except the Energizer is allowed during league play according to the label.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Strikealot,
And thats exactly why I bought the Energizer ball cleaner at the Military Bowling Championships. It reminds me a lot of Valentino Bowling Products ball cleaner except the Energizer is allowed during league play according to the label.
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Barry,
Remedy is approved for use during league play. It' son the USBC Approved list.
http://www.bowl.com/specs/ballCleaner.aspx
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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Thanks Jeff. Its not printed on the label so I didn't use it. I will now because by hand, Remedey ball cleaner is outstanding.
Hope all is well.
Barry
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Jeff,
I should have asked, but does the website say that Remedy is authorized during league play as in the case of the Energizer ball cleaner or is it just an authorized ball cleaner?
Thanks,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
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Jeff,
I should have asked, but does the website say that Remedy is authorized during league play as in the case of the Energizer ball cleaner or is it just an authorized ball cleaner?
Thanks,
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Nicanor (Ten On The Deck)
Barry,
It's in the category "Acceptable during certified competition". That's the same category as Energizer. To me that means you can use it during league and all tournaments and any event sanctioned/certfied by the USBC, unless otherwise specified in the tournament rules, like Nationals.
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Thanks Jeff. I just want to make sure I'm legal during league play. Appreciate you getting the information for me.
Barry