Author Topic: Dynamo Ball Of The Year (Read 8244 times)

absoluteisanidiot · « **on:** February 27, 2009, 01:44:37 AM »

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All Sawheads go here and vote Dyanamo as Ball Of The Year it might be the best ball I've ever thrown.

Steven · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2009, 11:43:58 AM »

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Versatility is what makes Ball of the Year. Not because it hooks more than another. The amount of bowlers that are able to compete with a certain piece consistently and successfully is what decides it. That is why the bowlers vote for it. Not the pro shops or distributors.

I guess I'm still confused on the whole "Ball of the Year" thing. When you look at the way Bowler's Journal (BJ) determined their "Ball of the Year", it seems contrary to your definition. Look at what Joe Cerar of BJ had to say regarding their selection methodology:

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"I know we all have our personal favorites, and, yes even brand biases, but the reality is that pro shop operators have thrown more balls, drilled many more, and communicated with countless customers about which balls they like or don't like and why."

So this year, BJ used proshops instead of individual bowlers for voting. He seemed to understand the problems associated with "our personal favorites, and, yes even brand biases". His justification was:

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"Who knows more about bowling balls, an individual ball owner or an experienced Pro Shop operator who works on most of the balls available today?"

And Rico, he's right. He understands that it's a flawed methodology to go directly to the bowler. Unfortunately, the problems he outlined with bowlers exist (to some degree) in the proshops themselves. I simply gave two concrete examples of where proshop 'business' biases come into play.

I guess what's really interesting is that BJ selected the Cell. I really like the Cell myself, but as a heavy oil ball, it's not an ideal ball for the masses and it doesn't really excel in all the versatility categories you discussed.

jls · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2009, 11:53:24 AM »

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I agree with Rico, I see too many people saying that they can't keep their dynamo on the lane because it hooks too much. That doesn't make it the ball of the year, it makes it the ball of the year in a bag. T-road solid won ball of the year in 07 because of its versatility and the cover being able to be tweaked so it could perform on anything.

I'm not saying that the dynamo isn't a great ball, but from what I've heard, it's just too much ball for most conditions out there. I'll vote it in for "most hookingest ball of the year"
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bowlerdawg · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2009, 12:18:05 PM »

hey i got news for you folks
i actually went bowling last night

i couldnt keep anything on the lanes last night
morich
kenitic
global
L1

this place has never heard of oil

did not have my trusty c'saw or liberator on hand

i have no problem with your BOY thread
there is a bunch of good equiptment out there, and everybody is entitles to their opinion
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BeansProShop · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2009, 12:26:55 PM »

Lane#1 does not use the wide selection of distributors to outlet their balls. With most distributors having road salesman stopping by Pro Shop's in their designated area they have better chances to widen their sales. I would say that 80% of all shops use (1) distributor for the majority of their inventory unless their favorite distributor does not carry a specific company. There are over 2000 Pro Shops in the USA that do not currently "STOCK" Lane#1's product.

Lane#1 is going to try to help that.

That is the reason there are so many successful online sellers of Lane#1 products.. People want them but have no avenue to buy them at the local shops..

Most of these 2000 shops are still under the impression that Lane#1's product prices are higher than other manufacturers.. We will see a nice spike in sales when these shops are educated on our new pricing structures...

Our top of the line products are at the same or cheaper than other companies products at the present time and it has been like that for almost 2 years..

The Virtuals and Hot Sauces I just got in actually cost me more than the new Dynamo. By $6 per ball. Not $.50

So yes popularity does have a lot to due with sales and word of mouth and hopefully soon enough Lane#1 will have a bigger piece of display space in the local shops.

Since January 1st I have sold 39 Agent Oranges and 18 Dynamo's.
I've sold 4 Virtual Gravity's and 4 HyRoads..
I've sold 3 The Sauce
I've sold 0 Ebonite or Track Balls.
I've sold several Brunswick balls but most all were blems. Even the first quality balls were blems but of course I am just bashing the company.

Lane#1 was never my highest volume company even being a PBA pro staff member since 2001 but as of 2006 to the present it has easily become my highest volume company sold. I have seen a large spike in sales after coming back from running the booth in Albuquerque. Maybe it was because people thought it was my specialty now or that I was driving around in the Lane#1 Hummer for 10 months but Lane#1 dominates my shop.

I am sure Lane#1 is not looking to dominate every shop although it would be nice. Lane#1 is just hoping to get their products seen in the local pro shops that are not aware of our new company structure.

Hopefully that can change...

18 years in business and we're still here. That says alot. Look at all the other upstart companies that have come and gone..

I guess I was rambling here a little but I just felt like typing my thoughts...

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BeansProShop · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2009, 01:51:14 PM »

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Beans,

The general thrust of your post has a lot of merit. I am sure there would be a lot more bowlers in the detroit area using Lane #1 if 1. The pro shop had them, and 2. the price was more in line with the competition. Lane #1 is practically non-existant in these parts. I think your numbers on what you drill and sell are a little skewed towards Lane #1 products because, I am sure you will agree, you are probably thought of in your area and in this forum as the Lane #1 drilling guru. People are going to come to you for a Lane #1 product primarily.

Cool,
The other problem is that there are shops out there that get the Lane#1 balls at our current pricing but still use the higher price point to sell them. There is nothing wrong with people making money. That is the american way.....But, if shops would price the balls accordingly in line with other companies top line products we would be in the same price range.

We ARE in the same price range as the competitors. It is the shops that are not pricing the balls in line.

We offer quantity order discounts as well.

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JustRico · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2009, 02:09:18 PM »

Steven

When was the last time you saw a publication, such as BJ or BTM, give a ball a bad review? There are no bad balls just more conditional.

I will trust in sales and response from the pro shops and bowlers, in knowing what a ball of the year candidate is, over a ball company or magazine, for this discussion. And I am sorry but it is versatility, no matter what the price. And that can be a mid-price ball.
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lsf_21 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2009, 02:13:04 PM »

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Steven

When was the last time you saw a publication, such as BJ or BTM, give a ball a bad review? There are no bad balls just more conditional.

I will trust in sales and response from the pro shops and bowlers, in knowing what a ball of the year candidate is, over a ball company or magazine, for this discussion. And I am sorry but it is versatility, no matter what the price. And that can be a mid-price ball.
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didnt the t-road solid win ball of the year being a mid priced ball?
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jls · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2009, 02:14:33 PM »

Steven, I guess you didn't read or fully understand the meaning of this thread. This person wanted all sawheads, even those who have never owned a Dynamo, to go and vote for it for "ball of the year". Cause I'm sure most sawheads don't own a dynamo yet. Now if that dosent qualify for a popularity contest, I don't know what does!!!

You see Steven, may I call you Steven, that kinda sorta contradicts everything you kinda sorta bashed me about!!!!!

At least it appears that in the ball of the tear post, most who voted, did so because of their experience they had with the ball they voted for. They did not vote in the blind, like this very thread is asking sawheads to do!!!!!

Therefore Steven, may I call you Steven, You, yes you truely deserve to be the sawhead of the year!!!!!!!

BTW, does anyone know how to spell Hypocrite? Or the meaning of the word.

Have a nice day stevie

Steven, can't wait to hear what you have to say about this

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Edited on 2/28/2009 3:47 PM

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2009, 02:58:23 PM »

jls you are the boards leading guru on hypocricy
so if your at a loss then we are doomed.........lol
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Steven · « **Reply #25 on:** February 28, 2009, 03:13:24 PM »

jls: LOL! I don't know what to say about your post because, honestly, you touched on more things than an errant pin-pong ball.

I'm guilty of not staying on topic with the original posters topic. And frankly, neither did you. Like many topics, this one took a different path, and I took a side road with Rico. No harm -- no foul.

Rico: For the following:

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When was the last time you saw a publication, such as BJ or BTM, give a ball a bad review? There are no bad balls just more conditional.

I will trust in sales and response from the pro shops and bowlers, in knowing what a ball of the year candidate is, over a ball company or magazine, for this discussion. And I am sorry but it is versatility, no matter what the price. And that can be a mid-price ball.

I agree with most of what you're saying here. Especially your assessment of the publications. I asked about the contradictions you have with BJ not because I agree with them, but instead to get clarification from you. Thanks.

And now for cool rockin daddy:

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Get a job in Washington D.C. You will spin anything to fit your views. Your posts are un-readable and laughable at the same time. Do the Lane #1 fans a break and quit posting. You are not helping their cause with your ramblings.

Why are you alone in finding my posts un-readable? Others seem to understand, even if there is disagreement. If you spent more time developing remedial reading comprehension skills and less time trolling, you could make tremendous strides as a functioning individual. And maybe, just maybe, you'll understand how 'laughable' your ballreviews award winning quote really is:

"I don't rely on a core to make the ball move and the pins dance. I use my skills and shell prep (90% of ball reaction) to get the job done."

LOL.....

Steven · « **Reply #26 on:** March 01, 2009, 11:09:55 AM »

CRD: I knew you couldn't resist the urge to respond, so here we go:

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For those of us who know how to bowl, skill and cover prep ARE 90% of ball reaction.

Well, your lifetime high average of 217 suggests you have a ways to go before declaring you 'know how to bowl'. You'd be marginal for the last spot on many teams in my scratch league. But that's the topic for another discussion. As far as your continued pronouncement that 'skill and cover prep ARE 90% of ball reaction', I'd appreciate it if you could point out a single authoritative bowling reference that backs this up.

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Tell ya what, I'll drop it down to 70% since that is what Team USA coach Jeri Edwards figures it to be and, unlike you, I won't argue with somebody more knowledgable than me.

You're acting like this is a car negotiation. So now you want to back down to 70% to appear more reasonable. Nice try. The message is that you really don't have a clue what the real number is. Is honesty that painful of a concept to you?

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If your game is that weak that you feel you need to rely on a core to get the ball to move, well, all I can say is you're pretty weak. I'm sure there are lots of women's leagues that you can compete in.

So because I reject the notion that cover prep is 90% of ball reaction, then I'm a 'core' guy only and automatically have a weak game. Your thinking process never ceases to amaze me. If you'd like to have a civil conversation about cover prep, I'm there. Let's compare notes about the comparative merits of using Abralon, Scotchbrite, Trizact, Sandpaper and the various liquid abrasives. While we're at it, let's talk about the pros/cons of 2-side, 4-side, and 6-side sanding techniques, and where each one is appropriate for simple cover refreshes relative to complete refinishing. Maybe you can also throw in your thoughts about the merits of using a CAB vs. application by hand.

I've refinished and prepped hundreds of balls between helping out at the proshop and working in my own stuff at home. I do think I have some appreciation for the role of cover vs. core in overall ball reaction. It would be fastinating comparing notes.

However, it's funny that in all my time here, I don't recall you really participating in any serious cover adjustment discussions. For you being a cover guy, I find that strange.....Please tell me that you at least know how to turn a spinner on.

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I wonder if you realize how ridiculous you look ALWAYS trying to spin news, data, advertising, etc. to "defend" a ball company that you claim you don't defend.

What you call 'spin' is information where you have problems with understanding and comprehension. I've asked this before and I'll ask again. Why do you seem to have issues with understanding/comprehension while others don't?

If you want to ignore your continuing focus and understanding/comprehension issues, that's fine. But please enlighten me with your cover prep skills. I'd really like to learn more.

Edited on 3/1/2009 12:46 PM

Steven · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2009, 01:38:07 PM »

CRD: Here we go:

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You keep on hiding behind your core "crutch".

There is no hiding and there is no crutch. I simply appreciate that ball reaction is a combination of core, drill, and surface prep. They're all important and work together. The sum is greater than the individual parts. Most experienced players seem to understand this.

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My local pro shops uses high school kids working part time to man the abralon pads. Good for you, the rehab center did well to find you meaningful work.

LOL. I enjoy the opportunity to occasionally help out at the shop to give the proshop owner a break. Proshop owners are human too, and they appreciate an evening off here and there to spend time with their families. Besides, it's a complete break from my day job, and it gives me an opportunity to learn and experiment. You can't possibly understand the effects of different polishes and rubbing compounds if you don't try them out yourself. I wouldn't let some unconscious high school kid change the surface on any of my equipment. I would not be a happy camper to find out my Super Carbide Bomb was worked with Abralon instead of 35 Micron Trizact. Maybe the difference would be meaningless to you, but it wouldn't be if you were the cover guy you pretent to be.

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You don't offer ANYTHNG useful but more rhetoric on how good you supposedly are. If you are stupid enough to judge a bowler by his average than you are dumber than I thought.

I expected this. I've avoided your school yard comments about being your ball caddie and your general pronouncement of your 'pin dancing' skills. You've peppered me in many threads with the enormity of your ability. You don't have a problem suggesting I belong in some lower level women's league, but I throw a little sunshine back at you, and it's 'boo hoo' time? Your hot air just gets tiresome, and I took the bait. I have my bowling limitations, I've shared them with others here, and I'm the first to admit them.

You're right: average is not the definitive measuring stick of ability. But would I find reference to 'cool rockin daddy' in at least finishing in the top half of a Regional, or getting more than honorable mention in the Michigan State Tournament? Somehow, I don't think so......

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Your views ain't fresh, they come from the most absurd perspective I have ever seen, and the arrogance of your tripe makes me want to gag. Too bad for the other Lane #1 supporters here, they will never be rid of you and your rantings

CRD, it again comes down to you incredible lack of focus and less than adequate comprehension skills. Don't blame me (or anyone else) for your limitations.

BTW, have you finally decided if cover prep is 90% or 70% or

. Also, have you had a chance to provide a definitive reference to your 90% number, regardless if you still believe it? Just questions that you conveniently avoided (or maybe didn't understand) in this last round.

Steven · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2009, 08:43:22 PM »

CRD: Just really tiresome.....

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Well, stevie, I learned how to avoid from the best, YOU.

LOL...Avoidance isn't pretty, and it's clear you mastered that art long before we tangled. Nice try though...

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Still waiting for your absolute proof about a diamond core hitting the hardest (doesn't count if you have to add 20% more energy at release to get 20% more hitting power. That is basic physics. You are familiar with physics aren't you? ). Keep on asking for it and yet you keep ignoring it. I don't really want to hear about it from anybody else but you, stevie. Waiting for you to put up or shut up for just once.

Another figment of your vivid imagination. I've never claimed anything related to '20% more hitting power'. What I personally like about Lane#1 equipment has more to do with consistency and predictability. When asked, that's all I've ever discussed or referenced. Consistent with your past history of focus issues and confusion, you have me mixed up with someone else. Another non-surprise.

Now, for 'put up or shut up'....

I put up by offering to have an honest conversation about shell prep that you desperately cling to. Your response was that you couldn't be bothered with the details of shell prep. In fact, you're happy to have some kid who doesn't know jack about a pad prepare your balls for you. That's mind boggling considering how important it is to your ball reaction. How incredibly ignorant. Don't embarrass yourself further with any talk of 'put up or shut up'.

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You are the master at deflection, always volunteering how involved you are in the sport of bowling doing this or that, but never getting to the point.

I always get to the point. It's your inability to assimilate the point or your rejection of the point that's your problem.

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I and the rest of the mere mortals on the site are certainly glad when you deign to come off your high mountain and bless us with your thoughts. Your arrogance is equaled only by your ignorance.

First, don't mix others up with you. CRD stands by himeslf. You strike me as someone who has never accepted constructive criticism well. Youâ€™re certainly showing it here.

You like to talk about what's 'fresh' and what isn't. Based on this sorry thread, what isn't fresh is what I already know about you:

1) You have a bad attitude
2) You have a big chip on your shoulder
3) You avoid and deflect (admitted to in this thread), which makes communication kind of difficult
4) You know nothing about Lane#1 equipment, which is odd since you're trolling in the Lane#1 forum

What I didn't previously know but what has become painfully clear in this thread:

1) You don't know if cover prep is actually 90% or 70% or some other XX% of reaction.
2) Even though you cling to a 90% number (most of the time, when it suits your needs), you couldn't discuss the techniques of cover preparation if your life depended on it.
3) The 'skills' you supposedly possess (because you remind us repeatedly) are really suspect at best.

So if you answer anything moving forward, please let it be this: What are you offering here? You don't appear to have any appreciation for drilling and core dynamics. You rely heavily on cover prep, but you have no appreciation for the various techniques you could have at your disposal. You've questioned my abilities, yet you have yet to offer anything that can be learned from your own accomplishments.

The world is filled with people possessing bad attitudes and stubborn ignorance. Please help me with what youâ€™re adding here that provides any value??

Edited on 3/1/2009 10:12 PM

Steven · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2009, 09:13:48 PM »

CRD: No, you've had the last word. Have a good evening.

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #30 on:** March 02, 2009, 10:19:01 PM »

this doesn't change the fact that your still the most insignaficant sperm to ever dwell the birth canal..............POS

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Versility sells balls.

Those that can used on the widest lanes condtions by the widest variety of bowlers will be purchased the most.

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