Post by: lefty50 on April 13, 2008, 06:14:03 PM
This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
This is for the normal guy, like myself, who heard all the build up and may be on the sidelines waiting to buy... Here's an honest review from my first Lane 1 purchase....
There is nothing special about this ball. Save your money. This ball is DOA 99% of the time. I believe I gave it an honest shot. I tried it in four houses plus Nationals, after a 2 week wait for the ball. I tried every possible option, 2 different drills, and every possible surface level from 600 to 4000.
It was at all times a purple marshmellow.
Look back through these threads and you'll even see where I tried to help people figure this thing out before drilling mine. Why oh why was I stupid enough to drill it up after hearing all the bad news? Like I said... no one's fault but my own. Caveat emptor, right?
For me, the BuzzBUST was a total waste of time and money. Another experiment gone bad. Props to the Lane 1 hype crew, you got me. I was tired of Big B and wanted to try something new. I did. I paid for it in more ways than one. So now, it'll go on Ebay this week.
There is, of course, no magic ball.
Funny thing though. After losing big time on the BustBomb, I talked myself into trying another new ball from another new company I've never thrown. Still had courage to try a new company I guess. But this time, I chose a ball based on percentage of positive reviews from average people not associated with the brand and stayed away from choosing balls where there was massive controversy. Wow, what a ball... OOB, it turns out to be what I expected from the BuzzBust. I'm headed to the Roto Grip forum now to give it the props it deserves. I need to give time to the positive as well as the negative.
Lane 1 lovers, write your garbage below this. It won't matter. I'm not going to be back on this forum, so will "regrettably" never see it.
I'm out.
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Post by: Grayson on April 14, 2008, 02:37:21 AM
Dead on Arrival?
was the ball just not working on the intented oil pattern / surface etc... or in general not working?
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 02:49:54 AM
Did your shop operator double check the CG after plugging. What layout did he use and also what statics did the ball have after drilling both times. Was it plugged with a quick plug or 8 hour plug? I am not saying it was drilled wrong or anything like that but the specifics would be nice. I have seen plenty of our balls brought into the booth and I can say that I can't believe some of the layouts and weights people have brought in. I had one the other day with the pin 3.5" from the PAP and the CG was below the thumb hole. There was also no extra hole and it had like 180 grit sand lines on it. Not only was it illegal but this gentelman wanted this ball to go long and this is what he got from his ball driller. He decided to buy a Nova XP and the ball out hooked the BB he showed me by 10 boards down lane. Now here is a guy that can hate the BB becasue it doesn't do what he asked for. Is this the balls fault?? This is only 1 example.
Example 2 was a Solid Cobalt Bomb. The pin and CG were above the fingers and the pin was 5.5" from the PAP. It had 4" deep finger holes and a weight hole that was so deep it met the fingers at the bottom. The guy told me he wanted something for heavy oil and this is how it was drilled. He was stunned as he told me the ball was drilled by the best in town.
I am not badmouthing anybody but there are people out there that do not have enough knowledge to be putting holes in these balls. Not just Lane#1 but all companies. There are also too many backyard,garage and basement ball drillers now that really have no clue. I have at least 3-4 per week that come in and brag about drilling their own stuff in the basement or garage. All I can say is you have to see some of these balls to know what I mean. Some have 2 ounces of thumb weight or 2.5 ounces of side weight after they are drilled becasue they do not have a scale. You really would not believe the balls that need corrections at the scale room and how they are drilled. I have seen some with the CG's on the sides of the balls and the extra holes on the other side. I'm talking 8 inches from the center of the grip. Real doozy's.
I just would not be surprised if these problems were present on the balls that people have not had luck with..
My Tip to backyard pro shop wanna be's...
Not a bash here. Just pay some extra cash and go to a pro shop class. There are several available from Ebonite to Jayhawk to pro shop guys that are willing to teach.
Spend the money..It is worth it.
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Post by: bowlingmsy on April 14, 2008, 02:55:56 AM
It's in my hate list balls. Looks like I'll never
have a really good matchup with the Bomb cores. I don't
dump Lane #1 altogether because there are other Lane #1
balls that fit my game especially the ones with C/2 and
standard diamond cores.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 14, 2008, 09:55:55 AM
I do love the Lane 1 balls of the past. As said, for the reasons mentioned I haven't tried the newer ones for fear they might not match up to the performance of the older ones. I have been waiting on proof that the newer ones will perform as well as the older ones, but from what I consider the "way-way overdoing of the hype about the balls" by bowlers that are committed to Lane 1, it has scared me off and I went elsewhere and purchased a couple balls from 2 other companies and I am very happy with both balls.
I totally understand where lefty50 is coming from in his topic as well as sympathize with him, as I got caught up in a similiar situtation with Track and similar hype a couple years ago by bowlers committed to Track. You don't know how many times I "almost" bought this new Buzz Bomb, but everytime I came oohh sooo close, a 6th sense told me not to. I simply can't see a ball that is supposedly as strong as the Buzz bomb is supposed to be, working on all of the various conditions some were claiming to use it on. And then to have to polish it with a polish that makes some balls skid thru the break point to make it work didn't make sense either. I figured rather than go thru all of that, just buy a ball that wasn't as strong. I mean why buy the strongest ball on the market and then polish the "H" out of it to tame it down so you can bowl with it. Just buy a ball for the condition a person wants to bowl on. The last factor of me mot buying it is that I never see heavy oil. I see lots of medium and a bit stronger, but never heavy oil. Those are the factors that turned me away from the Buzz Bomb.
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Post by: strikealot on April 14, 2008, 10:07:21 AM
oh yea..
http://www.brunsnick.com/xhole2.html
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Post by: Steven on April 14, 2008, 10:27:46 AM
quote:
This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
So unless you're "Joe Bowler" in the local beer league, your opinion doesn't matter? Now that's sweet....
After lefty50's last 'contributions', I didn't expect much substance in any of his future posts. So again, he came through and lived down to expectations. His post was more of a thinly veiled attack on Lane#1 than a legitimate post on the BuzzBomb that, good or bad, could assist others in their own decision making process.
My only comment here is that every ball has some merit and that the BuzzBomb cannot be as bad as the lefty50 is making it out to be. Even recent busts such as the Fury, when drilled and prepared properly, have their niche. Legitimate posts point these things out. But our friend lefty50 never intended to provide balance from the get-go.
At least another troll is moving on to more fertile hunting grounds. Happy journey.
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Post by: rhbowling07 on April 14, 2008, 10:29:04 AM
Post by: 300jd on April 14, 2008, 10:32:21 AM
I'm out.
thank goodness
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enriched Uranium solid cobalt Post by: JOE FALCO on April 14, 2008, 11:01:06 AM
I have not tried my BuzzBomb although I have it over a month. From what I've read .. it would not surprise me if I am NOT happy with the ball!
LEFTY you also mention another companies ball and then say ROTO GRIP .. I'm sure you are referring to the CELL .. that ball I also have and HAVE USED .. GREAT ball and a GREAT PRICE!
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Post by: DanH78 on April 14, 2008, 11:27:38 AM
quote:quote:
This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
So unless you're "Joe Bowler" in the local beer league, your opinion doesn't matter? Now that's sweet....
The Lane 1 haters are going to hate Lane 1 regardless of what happens. The same goes for the "Sawheads", they are going to love Lane 1 no matter what and go screaming if anyone says anything derogotory. Since those 2 groups aren't going to change their minds, their "opinions" are less opinions and more "facts" and should be ignored because they aren't going to be impartial. Every company has those guys, when I'm looking at a new ball, I ignore what the diehards (both the love and the hate guys) say.
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Post by: livespive on April 14, 2008, 11:38:56 AM
old faball violet 3D offset ball?
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 01:29:02 PM
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I bought 3 Lane 1 balls last year and loved them. I raised my average 16 pins with them. (Enriched Uranium - Solid Cobalt Bomb - Red XXXL) However, they were Brunswick made balls. I haven't bought another Lane 1 since they quit Brunswick because of them not getting settled down with one company thus making me a bit leary of their new balls coverstock quality and performance, until proven the new company's manufacturer of the balls is as good as Brunswick's was.
I do love the Lane 1 balls of the past. As said, for the reasons mentioned I haven't tried the newer ones for fear they might not match up to the performance of the older ones. I have been waiting on proof that the newer ones will perform as well as the older ones, but from what I consider the "way-way overdoing of the hype about the balls" by bowlers that are committed to Lane 1, it has scared me off and I went elsewhere and purchased a couple balls from 2 other companies and I am very happy with both balls.
I totally understand where lefty50 is coming from in his topic as well as sympathize with him, as I got caught up in a similiar situtation with Track and similar hype a couple years ago by bowlers committed to Track. You don't know how many times I "almost" bought this new Buzz Bomb, but everytime I came oohh sooo close, a 6th sense told me not to. I simply can't see a ball that is supposedly as strong as the Buzz bomb is supposed to be, working on all of the various conditions some were claiming to use it on. And then to have to polish it with a polish that makes some balls skid thru the break point to make it work didn't make sense either. I figured rather than go thru all of that, just buy a ball that wasn't as strong. I mean why buy the strongest ball on the market and then polish the "H" out of it to tame it down so you can bowl with it. Just buy a ball for the condition a person wants to bowl on. The last factor of me mot buying it is that I never see heavy oil. I see lots of medium and a bit stronger, but never heavy oil. Those are the factors that turned me away from the Buzz Bomb.
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 01:39:02 PM
quote:quote:
This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
So unless you're "Joe Bowler" in the local beer league, your opinion doesn't matter? Now that's sweet....
After lefty50's last 'contributions', I didn't expect much substance in any of his future posts. So again, he came through and lived down to expectations. His post was more of a thinly veiled attack on Lane#1 than a legitimate post on the BuzzBomb that, good or bad, could assist others in their own decision making process.
My only comment here is that every ball has some merit and that the BuzzBomb cannot be as bad as the lefty50 is making it out to be. Even recent busts such as the Fury, when drilled and prepared properly, have their niche. Legitimate posts point these things out. But our friend lefty50 never intended to provide balance from the get-go.
At least another troll is moving on to more fertile hunting grounds. Happy journey.
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I personally loved the Fury Solid and drilled about a dozen for my customers as it was one of the stronger balls out at the time. I had great success with this ball polished up. I thought this ball had more use than the Widow Solid I had. In the grand scheme of things you have to say the Widow was a way--- more successful ball than the Fury and I happened to think the Fury was so much better. This just proves that not all balls match up to people and their environments they bowl in.
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Post by: strikealot on April 14, 2008, 01:43:41 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 01:49:41 PM
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funny thing is i really like lane 1 stuff, but dont really buy into their drilling beliefs...is it possible to love lane 1 balls and believe cgnomaddah at the same time...
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Chad here is the problem.. Why do pro shop operators take the drill sheets of other companies and use them to lay out their balls? BUT, they refuse to use Lane#1 's drilling theories for Lane#1 eqiupment? Then come on here and scream when their balls puke. The shape and dynamics of our diamond and diamond based cores make CG placement matter as it is making the core tilt in a different location. Being so center heavy in weight and the way the core rotates also makes static weights matter more in our balls than others. Our cores remain predictable. Where as in another companies assymetric cores they are built to react violently to friction. If there is no friction and the ball is in a ton of oil the core never "flops" and that is partially why the statics do not matter as much or cg placement for that matter. I am babbling here but my point is that we have written our drill sheets and theories for "OUR" balls and they should be taken into consideration. Not just a pin to PAP distance and a high or low pin with a weight hole.
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Post by: OddBalls on April 14, 2008, 01:49:57 PM
quote:quote:
This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
So unless you're "Joe Bowler" in the local beer league, your opinion doesn't matter? Now that's sweet....
After lefty50's last 'contributions', I didn't expect much substance in any of his future posts. So again, he came through and lived down to expectations. His post was more of a thinly veiled attack on Lane#1 than a legitimate post on the BuzzBomb that, good or bad, could assist others in their own decision making process.
My only comment here is that every ball has some merit and that the BuzzBomb cannot be as bad as the lefty50 is making it out to be. Even recent busts such as the Fury, when drilled and prepared properly, have their niche. Legitimate posts point these things out. But our friend lefty50 never intended to provide balance from the get-go.
At least another troll is moving on to more fertile hunting grounds. Happy journey.
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Problem here Steven, he bought into the hype, paid a premium for the ball and was disappointed in the performance of the ball. Now he's expressed that disappointment in this forum. I'd hardly call that being a troll.
I remember a LOT of people were not happy with the Fury. I wasn't happy with mine until I had it redrilled with a stronger layout. But nowhere did I see anything from Brunswick about being the best hooking, best backend ,blah..blah..blah..BS like what comes out of the L#1 camp.
He paid for it. He had every right to express his opinion and did so.
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 01:52:46 PM
The 3d had different shaped flip blocks and are larger and the center is a different density and also offset. There ereally isn't much similarity at all in my opinion although they are both amazing balls in my eyes.
Beans
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 01:57:02 PM
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beans where you practicing your copy and paste skills...
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Post by: OddBalls on April 14, 2008, 01:59:10 PM
quote:quote:
beans where you practicing your copy and paste skills...
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 02:17:03 PM
I just don't know. It seems like you guys dig as far as you can to try to stir trouble yet you choose to check this Lane#1 message board first every day and probably 5 times a day.
Like I said...
Not sure what you mean Chad and Oddball. Just not sure..
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Post by: don coyote on April 14, 2008, 02:38:03 PM
I bought into the hype! I bought it to be my oil ball. It is my down and in on medium to dry lanes ball. I'M SERIOUS!!! I wonder if I received a defective ball.
I bought a CELL and love it. It is everything I thought the BUZZBOMB was supposed to be. I hate knocking a ball company. I think they tricked a lot
of their loyal customers. The ad agency did a great job. I was suckered into thinking it would work, on OIL. Not very well anyways. I will probably polish it and use it for 10 pins.
I surely hope this helps the buying public to avoid a truly inferior
ball.
I also own a CELL, INTENSE INFERNO, ENRICHED URANIUM, XXXL, CENTAUR PARTICLE,
BLAZING INFERNO, TRAUMA ER, & a TOTAL NV.
I really hope this helps!! DON COYOTE
Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 02:42:59 PM
When you polish it be sure to use the Secret Sauce..
Thanks beans
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 02:45:31 PM
If it does what it is supposed to do for those people....Is it the ball??
Or the bowler??? What makes such a bad ball roll so good for so many people???
Looking for answers...
Really... What is the reason it works well for them??
beans
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Post by: Grayson on April 14, 2008, 03:01:04 PM
just a thought
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Post by: OddBalls on April 14, 2008, 03:08:07 PM
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Not sure what you mean Chad and Oddball. Just not sure..
What I mean is..
For Lefty50, he bought the ball buying into the hype that surrounds it created by Lane#1 expecting great things from the ball. He didn't get what he thought he was going to get (guaranteed, by the way) and now he's po'd.
My pont was, he spent the money, used the ball and it didn't work for him. He posted his feelings in the L#1 where he should of. He's not a troll, just an angry bowler who spent way too much money on an overhyped ball. End of story.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 14, 2008, 03:16:48 PM
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What do you guys think when when you see a Buzzbomb that actually rolls great and is really strong and turns the corner hard on heavy oil??
If it does what it is supposed to do for those people....Is it the ball??
Or the bowler??? What makes such a bad ball roll so good for so many people???
Looking for answers...
Really... What is the reason it works well for them??
beans
Beans, I can't answer your question as I haven't thrown one nor seen one for that matter as few people here in the Oklahoma City area throw Lane 1 balls much less even know what a Lane 1 ball is. I've had many people ask what kind of ball I am throwing when I was blowing out the rack with my Solid Cobalt Bomb. I'd tell them what the ball was and they would say..."never heard of Lane 1, is that a new company"?
Anyhow, back to your post here, I think many people were led to believe this was an all round ball that would work great on a big variety of conditions such as medium oil or even a wee bit less all the way to heavy oil. Then people like myself would buy one expecting it to work on medium oil or a wee bit on each side of medium and it would fail because the ball was simply too strong for the condition even with adjustments and/or their style. Anyhow, that is my theory but I could be wrong.
For someone like myself, I even had a couple of strong Lane 1 supporters tell me this ball would work for me on the medium oil I bowl on even with my slower speed and low revs. Even told me this ball was meant for people like myself in mind. I doubted that and couldnt convince myself as I have had strong balls that weren't even as strong as the Buzz Bomb fail on me in the past. Then some negative posts began filitering in about this ball not doing what it was hyped or over hyped to do and that is when I said uh uh, that ball isn't for me.
To sum it up, IMHO I think this ball was way-way over hyped to be something it wasn't. Especially by people totaly dedicated to Lane 1. Had it just been promoted like most balls are from other companies, I don't think all of the hard feelings and negatism about it would have happened.....but I could be wrong here and if so, it wouldn't be the first time in my life and probably won't be the last.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on April 14, 2008, 03:21:07 PM
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He's not a troll, just an angry bowler who spent way too much money on an overhyped ball. End of story.
OddBalls, I totally agree with you here. I know lefty50 and he is "DEFINITELY NOT" a troll. He is a normal person and an all round great guy and I will stand behind him anyday.
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Post by: Kid Jete on April 14, 2008, 03:25:16 PM
Post by: Nicanor on April 14, 2008, 03:57:24 PM
My second Buzzbomb is not a hook monster, but it reads the break much better and carry is great. I just told myself its good medium oil ball and you won't see the over under that I see with some strong hooking blls.
I will practice with both Buzzbombs after league is over and before Nationals.
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Post by: strikealot on April 14, 2008, 03:58:22 PM
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The shape and dynamics of our diamond and diamond based cores make CG placement matter as it is making the core tilt in a different location
shift the cg doesnt make the core tilt does it, i thought it was movement of the pin..
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Post by: Steven on April 14, 2008, 04:39:08 PM
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Problem here Steven, he bought into the hype, paid a premium for the ball and was disappointed in the performance of the ball. Now he's expressed that disappointment in this forum. I'd hardly call that being a troll.
Yes, he expressed his disappointment under the guise of a so called review. I don't recall seeing a review at all in terms of what actually didn't work for him. I guess the reader is supposed to read between the lines to figure that out. Instead, this so called review was littered with illuminating decriptions such as 'BuzzBUST', 'BustBomb' and 'purple marshmellow'. Throw in a strategic sprinkling of 'Props to the Lane 1 hype crew', and there clearly an agenda here beyond a 'review'.
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I remember a LOT of people were not happy with the Fury. I wasn't happy with mine until I had it redrilled with a stronger layout. But nowhere did I see anything from Brunswick about being the best hooking, best backend ,blah..blah..blah..BS like what comes out of the L#1 camp.
It's a matter of style. The bottom line is that Brunswick passed out bad information. In their own words "(the) Fury is the highest hook potential non-particle ball Brunswick has ever produced and is our best ever combination of high hook potential, great mid-lane recovery combined with strong and continuous back-end reaction". Most folks who bought the ball based on this marketing hype were sorely disappointed. That's why the Fury is now out of production and there is a glaring hole in the Brunswick line-up. Brunswick is more deadpan in their marketing, but failing to live up to preformace commitmentts is just that -- failure.
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He paid for it. He had every right to express his opinion and did so.
Yes, and he did that. But he tried to pass off his bitterness and ranting as a review, which it clearly wasn't. And to ignore all the positive independent reviews on the BuzzBomb and blame his bad decision making on the Lane#1 fanboys is just dishonest.
The bigger question lefty50 should have explored were the questions Beans asked:
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What do you guys think when when you see a Buzzbomb that actually rolls great and is really strong and turns the corner hard on heavy oil??
If it does what it is supposed to do for those people....Is it the ball??
Or the bowler??? What makes such a bad ball roll so good for so many people???
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 05:00:18 PM
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beans all i was saying is that you had back to back post(dont know where they went) where you copied 2 peoples post and said nothing yourself..thats all..and like i said i love lane 1 stuff...im all for using what you believe works for you..if cg placement in a symtrical ball matters to the bowler, then place it where they want...its about making the customer happy...but with the strong covers and cores these days, i believe cover matters most, they core..cg placement would be down the line for me in symetrical balls..thats all..quote:
The shape and dynamics of our diamond and diamond based cores make CG placement matter as it is making the core tilt in a different location
shift the cg doesnt make the core tilt does it, i thought it was movement of the pin..
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That is what I meant about the wise comments Chad...
I posted my replies inside the quotes of the post so it posted them as their words. You couldn't tell where their words started and my reply started. I fixed that almost immediately but not before 2 stupid comments were left.
I try to post here to help people and to try to figure out why a few people have had trouble with the balls and try to educate them for future purchases but these type comments really drive me to want to stop posting. You know what I mean? I know people try to be funny and clever with comments sometimes(including myself) but there has to be a point when we can have serious debate on here without the need for stupid replies.. That is all I mean..
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on April 14, 2008, 05:06:54 PM
It is a great ball with a couple of duds out there, get a new one like Richie has promised to make good on.
Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 05:08:04 PM
I respect the fact that some people are not happy with our Buzzbomb but I feel it is my obligation to try to find out why. Not just to help them fix it but to help educate myself further as to why the ball didn't work so I can pass it on to other shop owners and customers.
Does anyone agree here???
I have offered my assistance in layout and surface help in another post in this room. Thanks
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Post by: Pozz on April 14, 2008, 05:14:24 PM
Post by: Rileybowler on April 14, 2008, 05:31:44 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 05:56:21 PM
Just curious what you mean...
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Post by: Gazoo on April 14, 2008, 06:13:34 PM
Post by: don coyote on April 14, 2008, 06:16:07 PM
drilled 2 times, both have been polished and all other cover surface adjustments. I have not tried BEAN'S SPECIAL SAUCE, haven't had the pleasure.
I have used the FURY as a replacement for the IMMORTAL, and it worked great, and used the CELL as a replacement for the BUZZBOMB and that worked great. Why do other balls,(FURY, CELL), work for me with NO special drillings, when the IMMORTAL and BUZZBOMB don't? I can not believe we need special drillings or cover prep when we use the ball on its intended surface.
I am NOT a great bowler, above average at best. I do know when a ball is burning up though. I enjoy bowling and using different companies equipment.
I do know what works for me and these two don't. I have other balls from these companies and I have had success with them.
Bowling is a hobby and most of the time I enjoy it. I do believe LANE 1
did make a MAJOR mistake by advertising the BUZZBOMB the way it did. I love the way the CELL, and the ULTRA ZONE were advertised. You can't go anywhere and not see these two excellent balls being used effectively. The reviews are out of the park on those two balls.
As I said earlier MAYBE IT'S ME!!!
Post by: Steven on April 14, 2008, 06:46:16 PM
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Steven -
Every ball company hypes it's balls to some extent. In the case of the Fury, the new Torsion core and the Octane cover SHOULD HAVE made a great hooking ball. But, for the most part, it didn't. Sales declined when the ball failed to produce the hype that was out there for the ball even though *some* bowlers had great success with it (answering Beans question here). For the most part, it was NOT a user friendly ball.
So we can agree that every company provides hype -- good.
Lane#1's hype is a little more colorful, but I've always taken it for playful prose that most reasonable bowlers should get a chuckle out of more than anything else. BTW, I don't think the Fury is a bad ball; it just doesn't work as advertised. And with three years of R&D, Brunswick SHOULD HAVE known this ahead of time. Regardless, if you hang with the Fury long enough and experiment with the cover as a second career, there is a sweet spot somewhere for at least some condition. quote:
The greatest bowling ball that any company can produce is the one that can appeal to the widest number of bowlers on the broadest of lane conditions. The Buzzbomb doesn't seem to be in that category..
Agreed. The problem is that the BuzzBomb, as well as the Cell and Resurgence, are special purpose balls in OOB condition. Unless you know how and when to use them, 'opinions' regarding their shortcomings are going to be suspect at best. If you read the profiles of some of the bowlers here struggling with the BuzzBomb, you have to wonder why they bought the ball in the first place.
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 06:57:40 PM
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Steven -
Every ball company hypes it's balls to some extent. In the case of the Fury, the new Torsion core and the Octane cover SHOULD HAVE made a great hooking ball. But, for the most part, it didn't. Sales declined when the ball failed to produce the hype that was out there for the ball even though *some* bowlers had great success with it (answering Beans question here). For the most part, it was NOT a user friendly ball.
So we can agree that every company provides hype -- good.
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The greatest bowling ball that any company can produce is the one that can appeal to the widest number of bowlers on the broadest of lane conditions. The Buzzbomb doesn't seem to be in that category..
Agreed. The problem is that the BuzzBomb, as well as the Cell and Resurgence, are special purpose balls in OOB condition. Unless you know how and when to use them, 'opinions' regarding their shortcomings are going to be suspect at best. If you read the profiles of some of the bowlers here struggling with the BuzzBomb, you have to wonder why they bought the ball in the first place.
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Post by: LaneHammer20 on April 14, 2008, 08:42:05 PM
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I am still going with what mrbowlingnut says. I believ there are some bad balls out there. Something went wrong with the pour or chemistry of the of the coverstock makeup.
I myself have one drilled the infamous thus far LABEL drill that everyone else that has had on there's hated and said it was a turd and did nothing on whatever oil they were using it on. Well mine is 4.5 x 5.5 pin a little higher than even finger line and I can say that mine is not turd. It hooks on oil no problem. Our house has alot of oil that is flat all the way to the 6 board then it is bone dry. Everything I have other than my Big Bang drilled stronger just glides right down and will not get to the pocket if left in the oil. I keep it in the oil and I am confident every throw it is coming back with plenty of power. I am sure the Cell and Resurgence would do the same , and think they are probably awesome balls. When I bowl on a medium fresh pattern at other houses that have a typical easy wall pattern I can't use it because it just wants to hook way to soon and is hard to keep it on the right side, and if it does I have left a pretty good amount of 9 pins.
I am in no way Lane #1 biased, I have been a Lanemaster/Legends fan for sometime now, and look at all kinds of different companies. Definitly want to try 900 global and AMF soon. I do after buying this and the Liberator own 3 now, which includes the SUpernova XP. All fo which really roll great for the purposes I bought them for.
So for me it is a great ball, maybe I got lucky, others as I typed earlier in the post got a bad ball that no drill or surface change is going to do anything about. Thats my take on this subject.
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 14, 2008, 09:34:47 PM
Did anyone read the Bowler's Journal review of the ball by Joey Cerar??
An unbiased 3rd party ball reviewer.
I have a customer who's Pluto out hooks the cell by an arrow and his neptune out hooks them both. What does this mean??? That the Cell is a dud???
This will be a never ending debate that the Lane#1 folks will always come out on the bottom because it is just FUN to bash our company.
I will be more than happy to help anyone that is looking for it but I will no longer feed the people that just like ruffling feathers.
There are ways to give reviews....Good or bad with class.
Why give classless reviews??? They help nobody.
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Post by: Storm269 on April 15, 2008, 01:12:32 AM
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Post by: JOE FALCO on April 15, 2008, 08:57:22 AM
Started with the BB and struck the 1st frame followed by a good hit leaving a converted one pin spare. Next .. in the pocket (unmake-able split). Fourth and fifth frame repeat frame 3. Put the ball away in the sixth frame and finished with 182. Second and third games were 220 and 224 .. looks like the BuzzBomb will sit on a shelf for a while!
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Post by: Nicanor on April 15, 2008, 09:56:24 AM
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Post by: srlunatic on April 15, 2008, 10:10:47 AM
You stated this..
I have a customer who's Pluto out hooks the cell by an arrow and his neptune out hooks them both. What does this mean??? That the Cell is a dud???
Being a pro shop owner and such, you should know pretty much the answer to this or the "probable" answer to this. Not a very strong statement from a pro shop owner that is for sure.
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Post by: strikealot on April 15, 2008, 12:47:27 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 15, 2008, 02:05:39 PM
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Beans,
You stated this..
I have a customer who's Pluto out hooks the cell by an arrow and his neptune out hooks them both. What does this mean??? That the Cell is a dud???
Being a pro shop owner and such, you should know pretty much the answer to this or the "probable" answer to this. Not a very strong statement from a pro shop owner that is for sure.
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Sir,
I was making a point to the average Joe. I know why it does that. BUT...It is the same reason that the Buzzbomb will look like it under performs for people. Too strong a cover with too much surface. After I took the Cell to 2000 with some Sauce it out performed both other planet balls. I know why they did not perform. No need to second guess my experience and knowledge. It was posted as a question and on purpose.
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Post by: Rileybowler on April 15, 2008, 02:13:36 PM
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What is a replacement ball we made???
Just curious what you mean...
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Beans Lane1 replaced several Buzz Bomb balls to guys right here on this site so something was wrong with them or he would not have replaced them. Lane1 is to be commended for doing that , but like I said some balls don't work for all bowlers and there is such a thing as a defectvely made ball
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 15, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
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Post by: srlunatic on April 15, 2008, 02:27:11 PM
I must appologize as I reread it and I did misread it and for that I appologize.
I personally have no ill will towards Lane 1 but do find it a bit interesting that both sides are so "hysterical?" about their views...sort of like a political debate that we usually have here..*laugh*
It seems strange to me that some of the reviews have stated about the same thing and from some pretty decent reviewers about the lack of movement and such. I don't think it is rocket science to drill a Lane #1 ball and am a bit perplexed by so many negative reviews. Something that may help out would be to see video's from the reviews showing the ball reaction that is for sure.
Again my humblest appologies and I will read a couple times before I post a silly post...
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 15, 2008, 02:41:55 PM
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What is a replacement ball we made???
Just curious what you mean...
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Beans Lane1 replaced several Buzz Bomb balls to guys right here on this site so something was wrong with them or he would not have replaced them. Lane1 is to be commended for doing that , but like I said some balls don't work for all bowlers and there is such a thing as a defectvely made ball
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Carl... I agree with you except on the there must be a problem with them. You know we are known for our customer satisfaction...Richie did that for the company and the customer not becasue they were defective. He also wanted the balls back to see what may have been the problem. Not bashing here but how many Fury's do you think Brunswick took back becasue they rolled like crap?? It happens.. I am just not aware of any bad pours or such. I have drilled balls from 4 different batches already between my shop and the booth and have not had anyone suspect a bad cover.
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 15, 2008, 02:45:04 PM
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Beans,
I must appologize as I reread it and I did misread it and for that I appologize.
I personally have no ill will towards Lane 1 but do find it a bit interesting that both sides are so "hysterical?" about their views...sort of like a political debate that we usually have here..*laugh*
It seems strange to me that some of the reviews have stated about the same thing and from some pretty decent reviewers about the lack of movement and such. I don't think it is rocket science to drill a Lane #1 ball and am a bit perplexed by so many negative reviews. Something that may help out would be to see video's from the reviews showing the ball reaction that is for sure.
Again my humblest appologies and I will read a couple times before I post a silly post...
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I did not take it personal as I can see how you read it like you did. No problem. It does get comical at times but we take the worst of all the bashing. It is well known that we have the best forum here. That is why everyone comes to this room first. 90% of the people that come here first do not even own Lane#1 balls. This is why it is so funny to me.
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Post by: Ahhbach on April 15, 2008, 03:26:57 PM
Proshop operators are usually some of the most patient people in the world but, they are there to sell balls. If a customer demands something drilled a certain way, even after being told that is the wrong drilling, then it is the customers fault.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on April 15, 2008, 03:32:02 PM
quote:A strong ball with a strong drill would be TOO strong for most lane conditions for me. It would flare too hard and react too aggressively off the dry and be prone to burning up. However, taking a strong ball and putting a weaker drill on it gives me more control, more versatility, and still gives me a ball capable of handling higher volumes of oil and carrydown. For example, my pin up Special Agent with the pin 5 1/4" from my PAP is my go-to ball. While not a super weak drill, it's still theoretically pretty week. However, it's smooth off the spot, gets down the lane well when there's some head oil, has great pin action, and can handle anything from medium-light to heavy oil conditions for me if necessary with some minor surface changes.
I wish I could understand the reasoning behind buying any 'strong' ball and putting a Weak low-flare drilling on it. Does this not defeat the purpose of the 'Strong' ball?
Post by: Ahhbach on April 15, 2008, 04:38:27 PM
Before I buy a ball, I go to the Manufacturers Website and read up on it. I look at all the info on the ball including the drill sheets. I may even take in a video or 2 of someone throwing the ball (if avail). If I know anyone that has the ball I ask if they like it. I then decide whether to buy the ball or not.
Once I have the ball and get it drilled with the pattern I want <--- (keyword here) I throw it and begin surface adjustments. I have not plugged a ball in years. If I don't like the reaction after surface adjustments I usually park the ball. I am fortunate in the fact that I do not usually pay for equipment, my ball driller and I have the same span/finger/thumb. I usually take the stuff he doesn't like.
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 15, 2008, 07:13:08 PM
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Maybe I am doing things wrong....
Before I buy a ball, I go to the Manufacturers Website and read up on it. I look at all the info on the ball including the drill sheets. I may even take in a video or 2 of someone throwing the ball (if avail). If I know anyone that has the ball I ask if they like it. I then decide whether to buy the ball or not.
Once I have the ball and get it drilled with the pattern I want <--- (keyword here) I throw it and begin surface adjustments. I have not plugged a ball in years. If I don't like the reaction after surface adjustments I usually park the ball. I am fortunate in the fact that I do not usually pay for equipment, my ball driller and I have the same span/finger/thumb. I usually take the stuff he doesn't like.
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Ahh...
Keep in mind that if you took the same layout and put it in every single ball you buy. You would be able to see the differences in the balls reaction better. What we do is always pick a ball. Then pick a layout and howmany times have we seen a few balls in our arsenal look the same even thought the specs are totally different??
There are way too many variables to take into consideration..
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Post by: qstick777 on April 16, 2008, 08:46:59 AM
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Problem here Steven, he bought into the hype, paid a premium for the ball and was disappointed in the performance of the ball. Now he's expressed that disappointment in this forum. I'd hardly call that being a troll.
Yes, he expressed his disappointment under the guise of a so called review. I don't recall seeing a review at all in terms of what actually didn't work for him. I guess the reader is supposed to read between the lines to figure that out. Instead, this so called review was littered with illuminating decriptions such as 'BuzzBUST', 'BustBomb' and 'purple marshmellow'. Throw in a strategic sprinkling of 'Props to the Lane 1 hype crew', and there clearly an agenda here beyond a 'review'.
Since Lane#1 markets the ball as:
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Lane #1 inroduces a new force in the bowling industry that outhooks all others. The BuzzBOMB is packed with our all new double sided Dommsday Bomb2 core. This Doomsday double Bomb core generates double the torque, creating double the hook on the backend. Surrounding this nuclear power plant is our all new Sure-Grip solid reacive coverstock. This new formula grips the lane on the heaviest oil. You won't believe your eyes when you see this midlane Hook Monster explode with a Huge Backend. Hear the Buzz, see the Hook, watch your High Scores double with the BuzzBOMB!!!
If he didn't see that with 2 different drillings and multiple cover changes, I don't see a problem with a couple of play on words.
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Post by: qstick777 on April 16, 2008, 08:53:31 AM
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Beans. My Buzzbomb did not live up to the hype. It is not a hook monster and I generate plenty of revs. What it does do for me is make its steady move in heavy oil and then hold pocket like no other ball I have ever thrown. As far as being a hook monster in oil, I have many balls that outhook it on heavy oil (such as the Storm Vertigo). It is a solid ball and I truley have no complaints, I just don't think it lived up to the hook monster hype.
My point exactly.
Steven -
Every ball company hypes it's balls to some extent. In the case of the Fury, the new Torsion core and the Octane cover SHOULD HAVE made a great hooking ball. But, for the most part, it didn't. Sales declined when the ball failed to produce the hype that was out there for the ball even though *some* bowlers had great success with it (answering Beans question here). For the most part, it was NOT a user friendly ball.
The same fate lay ahead for the Buzzbomb. *Some* bowlers will match up just great with the ball, most won't IF it turns out to be as drill sensitive as it's looking to be now.
The greatest bowling ball that any company can produce is the one that can appeal to the widest number of bowlers on the broadest of lane conditions. The Buzzbomb doesn't seem to be in that category..
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The only problem with the Fury is that Brunswick even says in their marketing:
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Coverstock
High Octane Coverstock is Brunswick's latest development in Solid Color Coverstock Technology. The Ultimate & Scorchin' Inferno balls were the humble predecessors to the new performance standard of FURY. More aggressive than Activator or ActivatorMAX, High Octane coverstock provides more traction in the oil and is better able to handle the combination of hard synthetic lane surfaces and the carrydown created by today's high-tech lane oils. FURY is the highest hook potential non-particle ball Brunswick has ever produced and is our best ever combination of high hook pontential, great mid-lane recovery combined with strong and continuous back-end reaction.
Core
The Torsion core is a new core shape concept that involves applying a computerized torsion or twisting process the high-tech shapes. Brunswick testing has shown that the Torsion core should quickly become known for its high hook potential, easy revving and powerful, but controllable breakpoints. Static pictures don't do the Torsion shape justice so we direct you to the Fury video @ BrunswickBowling.com to see the Torsion core in motion. The first Torsion core is a symmetric version that requires no unique drilling techniques. Brunswick has twisted the core on the inside of the ball so you can twist up more on the lanes.
I guess they can get a pass on that since they did say "should."
Seems that a lot of companies hype their newest releases.......strange!
I guess a company wouldn't sell a whole lot of balls if they came out and said "Here's our new ball. It's really condition and drill specific. It might not work for everybody, but some people will like it."
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Post by: qstick777 on April 16, 2008, 09:25:11 AM
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There's a ocean of difference between *should* and *will*..
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Couldn't agree more! I don't understand how companies manage to release balls that have these issues. I would think there are plenty of staffers, pro shops, and average joes that would jump at the chance to test the balls.
Have them sign a confidentiality agreement, send them a test ball (or 2 or 3 - depending on how many different combinations of covers they are considering), and have them experiment and give their honest opinions. Take a deposit to make sure the balls get returned if you are worried about somebody selling them. Ebonite claims that they test releases in different evironments (different lanes, patterns, houses, etc) before they actually release a ball.
I know that my style doesn't match up with certain things, and I don't expect that every ball will be the best for me. I've thrown a lot of balls and have never really had one that didn't hook. Might not have been the best ball for me (my style, conditions, particular house), but have always been able to get something out of them. Of course, I'm a lower average recreational bowler.
Side note: I find it funny that Buddies and 123bowl.com have yet to correct the misspelling on the BuzzBOMB description! "Lane #1 inroduces a new force..."
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Post by: Steven on April 16, 2008, 09:26:42 AM
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There's a ocean of difference between *should* and *will*..
Yes, it's the difference between understanding your product enough to say with some certainty what it can or can't do. It's an easy out to say *should*. You then have a built in excuse when things flop. In any case, I find it hillarious that after three years of intense R&D, the best Brunswick can do is say the Fury *should* perform a certain way. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in their engineering ability.
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Post by: Steven on April 16, 2008, 10:30:04 AM
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Because, Steven, they know that it *will* not work for everyone, but it *should*. As opposed to L#1 lies that it *will* work for everyone.
For any product (bowling balls or otherwise), there is an implied advertising assumption that a product will work a certain way if used properly and with the prerequisite necessary ability.
An exercise machine 'will' work if you're healthy and operate the equipment according to instructions. A Porsche 'will' effectively operate at speeds in excess if 150 mph if the driver has the experience and training necessary.
Along these lines, in the context of this thread, the BuzzBomb 'will' work as advertised if the ball is used for it's intended purpose and used by a bowler who's at the level necessary to utilize the ball's potential.
All the independent proshop reviews I've been able to find say this is true. Beans has repeatedly documented his accomplishments at the regional (and otherwise) with the BuzzBomb. Many others here, including myself, have documented their successes with ball.
Yet with all this, we have lefty50, who has generated another 'dump on Lane#1' thread with an out of control rant that has little substance. If you look at his profile, he's a 200 average bowler severely limited by a bad knee. Additionally, he freely admits other limitations that make his 'opinions' suspect. He indicates he's never had any luck with pin above fingers, and that polished/pearls have typically been useless for him, skidding past the breakpoint. I'm sorry -- that doesn't inspire confidence in his ability to accurately evaluate any piece. The comment by lefty50 that closed the deal for me was the following he made in another thread:
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I hated the Resurgence and absolutely love the Cell. The difference in hitting power is unreal.
My $.02.
Anyone who can find serious fault with both the BuzzBomb and Resurgence has bigger bowling issues to fix.
Keep the criticisms is context.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on April 16, 2008, 10:56:14 AM
I have the BuzzBomb and I'm sure if I say that I'm NOT THRILLED with it .. that you'll find out I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BOUGHT THE BALL IN THE FIRST PLACE .. but if I tell you I'm thrilled with the LevRG/Solid LevRg; the Cell; the Code, the Super Nova .. you'll tell me I'm a BALL WHORE! I guess what ever suits your ego will make you happy.
I join the ranks of those who DON'T LIKE the BuzzBomb .. to the fact that I'd call it a REAL BOMB!
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Post by: Steven on April 16, 2008, 11:46:44 AM
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In league last night .. as expected there was plenty of oil .. had my LevRG and a first try with the BuzzBomb.
Started with the BB and struck the 1st frame followed by a good hit leaving a converted one pin spare. Next .. in the pocket (unmake-able split). Fourth and fifth frame repeat frame 3. Put the ball away in the sixth frame and finished with 182. Second and third games were 220 and 224 .. looks like the BuzzBomb will sit on a shelf for a while!
So Joe, after throwing a total of 5 frames with your BuzzBomb, you've decide the ball should sit on the shelf for a while. On the other hand, most credible bowlers will throw many, many games on several different conditions before making any sweeping conclusions.
Yet you've had the final revelation on the BuzzBomb after five frames on one THS condition. Congratulations on your insights.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on April 16, 2008, 01:35:11 PM
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Post by: BeansProShop on April 16, 2008, 04:23:33 PM
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Beans,
Can you tell me at what grit or how much polish you typcially put on the Fury? Mine is at 2000 abralon and there are times that I can see it wanting to make the turn and just doesn't do it. My polished Ultimate Inferno hits harder which makes me wonder if I need more polish. It does have a strong drill on it and oob just hooked at my feet. I have a feeling you put a lot more revs on the ball than i do (tweener). thanks.
When I was throwing my Fury I had it at 1000 Abralon and the Secret Sauce. The same combo I use on both my BuzzBOMBs. Check your statics. If you have a weight hole in the ball. The ball may be flaring to much. You can plug the weight hole and move it closer to your grip and that will help close the flare rings a little. This should help it in the backend as well.
Hope this helps. beans
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Post by: Ahhbach on April 16, 2008, 04:37:39 PM
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I had it at 1000 Abralon and the Secret Sauce
Mine is at 1000 Ab + Rough Buff + the 'Sauce'
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Post by: kens101 on April 18, 2008, 12:50:05 AM
As far as Lefty's review, thanks for the review
I don't agree with the review because I have had different success with my BuzzBomb.
My BuzzBomb is what it was advertised to do and that is to hook and hit in a flood. On a Medium THS, it is not the best ball to have (even polished - sry beans). My Dirty Bomb will out hook and out hit the Buzzbomb on this condition. But that is what the Dirty Bomb was designed for. However, get the BuzzBomb on a flatter sport shot and you cant convince me of a better ball to have in my hands PERIOD. The ball recovers nicely. It reads the midlane really well. It comes off the breakpoint really sharp and with a lot of power even when the high crankers cant get their stuff back to the hole. In comparison to the Dirty Bomb, well needless to say the Dirty Bomb makes a great ten pin ball on this shot.
I have noticed that there is some people that feel the need to bash Lane 1 every chance they get especially during their work breaks. Maybe some have reasons to do it, but I am pretty sure most are just out there trying to feel inferior. I would prefer these forums to be informative. Maybe some day........
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