Post by: chitown on March 03, 2008, 05:46:33 AM
Does anyone know how it compares to the Columbia Scout High Flare urethane?
Post by: novawagonmaster on March 03, 2008, 02:09:36 PM
The ball is much stronger than I was anticipating. I was hoping for something to use on our medium THS with dry outside boards. Resin is too touchy when it hits the dry. Plastic has been working very well for me, but I was hoping for something in between. The Liberator hits the dry, flips hard, then flattens out on the backend.
I am going to play with the surface on this ball a bit and try it on some different lane conditions. We'll see what happens then.
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 03, 2008, 02:18:35 PM
On a more serious note. I had thought about buying one, so did a little research on it (and read as much as I can). Although I don't have one, from what I have read, it seems as though the ball is fairly strong (at least in box condition) for a urethane and is going to need some oil to get down the lane. I havne't read where it takes polish all that well (urethane's can be tough sometimes) so I'm not sure how well it would actually perform on real dry/burnt lanes. I would see this ball working well on a fresh lighter-medium oil league shot (but then again there are about 20 balls that will do the same)... probably more control that the milder resin balls though.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 03, 2008, 02:33:25 PM
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This Liberator (http://"http://www.liberator.com/products_furniture_gamma.php")? Let the comments begin to fly... LOL.
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Post by: Jesse James on March 03, 2008, 02:45:02 PM
I had a bowler throwing a pealized Cherry Bomb, roll a 300 game against me in the first game.
In the 2nd and 3rd games we all moved inside to take advantage of the oil, and I throwing a Saturn, (which had given me good carry the first game)suddenly got tapped to death. Whereas my opponent, throwing his Liberator, did not have to move as deep as I, and basically coasted to two, 200+ games.
From what I saw, it looks to be a very consistent piece, much stronger than advertised, but it carries very well on the lite oil shot. We were bowling on synthetics. Lite oil to start.
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Post by: chitown on March 03, 2008, 04:29:30 PM
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This Liberator (http://"http://www.liberator.com/products_furniture_gamma.php")? Let the comments begin to fly... LOL.
On a more serious note. I had thought about buying one, so did a little research on it (and read as much as I can). Although I don't have one, from what I have read, it seems as though the ball is fairly strong (at least in box condition) for a urethane and is going to need some oil to get down the lane. I havne't read where it takes polish all that well (urethane's can be tough sometimes) so I'm not sure how well it would actually perform on real dry/burnt lanes. I would see this ball working well on a fresh lighter-medium oil league shot (but then again there are about 20 balls that will do the same)... probably more control that the milder resin balls though.
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"The haddock hits me with a sucker punch. I catch him with a left hook.
He eels over. It was a fluke, but there he was, lying on the deck,
flat as a mackerel, kelpless."
All bowling balls needs some type of oil to work well unless it's a plastic ball. Urethane will roll early on drier conditions but be really tame on the backends. If lanes are so toasted that urethane hooks too much then a plastic spare ball becomes the strike ball.
I can see this ball working very well on broken down short patterns that have big time overreacting backends. I currently have a scout high flare urethane and it's money in the bank on short toasted patterns. It really needs dry backends to recover when sending it wide. Most of the time it's great just using a straight down and in line.
I like that Lane 1 came out with this piece. There's still a need for urethane balls on some of the tougher patterns i've faced. Urethane also comes in handy at tourney's.
Post by: louie on March 04, 2008, 03:01:25 PM
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 04, 2008, 08:01:59 PM
Post by: chitown on March 06, 2008, 07:54:15 AM
I totally feel there's a need for urethane balls with high end cores. For those that have bowled on some short, flat patterns, will understand where i'm coming from.
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 06, 2008, 07:55:55 AM
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Thanks for the info guys. I've decided to buy one of these.
I totally feel there's a need for urethane balls with high end cores. For those that have bowled on some short, flat patterns, will understand where i'm coming from.
Smart man.
Post by: chitown on March 06, 2008, 12:16:50 PM
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 06, 2008, 12:29:44 PM
Post by: chitown on March 06, 2008, 12:46:12 PM
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I drilled mine 4x4 pin under the ring mainly because mine came with only a 1" pin. I usually prefer 4.5x3 cg out types of drillings or even 3.5x3.5 stacked. The Liberator performs well on a THS for me with that layout.
I was thinking of just using a 4.5" above and right of the ring and CG kicked out a little bit but no balance hole. I'm mainly buying this ball for tough patterns I see at my league and for tourney play. I'm not buying this ball for typical walled up house patterns but could use it for those as well.
I also currently have a Scout high flare urethane that works really well but has a pancake core with a flip block. This ball does hit pretty effing hard and carry's great, which was a huge surprise to me. I just think the urethane cover and high end core of the LIBERATOR is a unique ball to have and can get a lot of use on tough patterns.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on March 06, 2008, 12:52:20 PM
quote:quote:
This Liberator (http://"http://www.liberator.com/products_furniture_gamma.php")? Let the comments begin to fly... LOL.
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Hey, I shop there
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 06, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
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I was thinking of just using a 4.5" above and right of the ring and CG kicked out a little bit but no balance hole. I'm mainly buying this ball for tough patterns I see at my league and for tourney play. I'm not buying this ball for typical walled up house patterns but could use it for those as well.
Sounds good. I say go for it.
Post by: T-GOD on March 06, 2008, 02:55:33 PM
Post by: chitown on March 07, 2008, 07:19:35 AM
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harry, of course you're going to have to play more down and in with the ball. That's the purpose of urethane. Urethane will give you hold when resin won't. Same with plastic. Adjust the surface to get straighter if need be. Good luck. =:^D
I don't think a lot of bowlers realize how great a release this ball is. A urethane ball with a high end core is a fantastic weapon to have when bowling on short, tough patterns. This is the type of ball that can make certain tough patterns play easier!
Edited on 3/7/2008 8:40 AM
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 07, 2008, 07:22:42 AM
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I don't think a lot of bowlers realize how great a release this ball is. A urethane ball with a high end core is a fantastic weapon to have when bowling on short, tough patterns. This is the type of ball that canmake certain tough patterns play easier!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Post by: chitown on March 07, 2008, 01:48:32 PM
I will try and make it out to the pro shop next week to pick the ball up. I will post a review on it after I get a chance to use it on my league shot.
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on March 07, 2008, 02:18:35 PM
Post by: chitown on March 21, 2008, 09:45:44 AM
The Liberator does have a strong hook when it hit's the dry boards. This ball also has plenty of hitting power. Oil is this balls worst nitemare as to be expected. Since the lanes had so much oil I decided to put the Liberator in the bag but was able to see how the ball reacted when it hit friction outside.
I will post a review of this ball when i'm able to use it on the correct pattern. Mine is drilled with the pin above the ring 5" from pap, CG kicked right to almost 1oz and no balance hole. Ball is in it's box surface.
Post by: Mike Austin on March 21, 2008, 12:04:48 PM
I think I would like to buff/shine it some. Use it when the lanes get ugly or toasty. I think it could be nice on Cheetah on bad wood.
Looking for you review Chitown.
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Post by: chitown on March 21, 2008, 01:26:09 PM
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I really would like to have a urethane ball in my arsenal. I have a GTB from back in the day, but it is 16lbs. I was tracking a Blue Angle on Ebay, but it went for $100 plus shipping. If I am going to spend new ball money, I think I want a new ball.
I think I would like to buff/shine it some. Use it when the lanes get ugly or toasty. I think it could be nice on Cheetah on bad wood.
Looking for you review Chitown.
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I personaly feel all tourney bowlers should have a urethane ball. I also think if you bowl on a PBA, Sport or tough lane patterns type of league, urethane is a plus to have.
I think urethane has plenty of use on today's patterns. Years ago it was heavy oil that made lanes tough. Now a days it short oil and dry lanes that are tough to bowl on.
If you get a chance to grab a urethane ball do it! The Liberator is very appealing because it's urethane and has a high end core!
I will post a solid review of this ball when i'm able to use it on some different conditions.