Author Topic: ok......I'll bite (L1) (Read 4623 times)

Koabzilla · « **on:** October 20, 2005, 04:32:32 AM »

so I go to the shop today to throw my freshly drilled Ravage, when my buddy (shop owner) asks if I would be interested in any 16Lb equipment. I said not normally, but what do you have in mind. He said I have a ball thats been sitting here with no interest from anyone. Its a Cherry Bomb, not Black Cherry, just the normal Cherry Bomb. He says he will put a thumbhole in it, cause its plugged now, and the fingers already fit mine. He said, gimme $10 for it, and its yours. If you don't like it, we put it back on the shelf....he just needs it out of there. I said sure....why not.

So what can I expect from a Cherry Bomb. This is my first ever L1 ball so I have no idea how they roll. The pin is swung out about 2 1/2 right of the ring finger, CG in the palm. Let me know. I am gonna take it whether I like it or not, cause thats just to good of a deal to pass up. He also let me throw the Hawg Wild he got in also. That is one angular ball I tell you!! Next week he is letting me throw The One, which he just go in today. And of anyone wondered what the GB in the GB10.7 coverstock stood for......in means "Good Business" seriously. LOL!

Let me know what I can expect from the Cherry Bomb though. My style of play is in my profile. Thanks!
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Koabzilla · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2005, 04:45:07 PM »

This is exactly how I hoped this topic would go. Trig, Wayne, T-God....thank you all, you guys really know what your talking about, and I appreciate your opinions greatly.

Who konws, maybe I will become a sawhead myself

I will let you know how it goes after league on Monday.

By all means, keep talking!!
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Koabzilla · « **Reply #32 on:** October 21, 2005, 09:36:00 PM »

Could I be a sawhead & a Mobot at the same time

I am actually gonna be throwing it tomorrow afternoon. Unfortunately, the conditions will not be that great. The normal Friday night league folded a few seasons ago, and theynever replaced it with another one, so now its open bowling all night on Fridays now. So that means the oil will be pushed all over the place from the plastics being thrown on them all night. Maybe i can talk them into "freshening" up a pair for me. But if the ball does not react well tomorrow, I can't say it doesnt match up to my game, cause I know the lanes are in bad shape, so I will wait till league night on Monday to say whether I love it or not.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #33 on:** October 22, 2005, 12:07:55 PM »

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but in slighty stronger with stacked or cg out are you refering to the ball starting up earlier and producing a more board movement or a stronger backend reaction.

Yes, the ball will start up earlier with this type of layout.

When the ball starts up earlier, it will have more backend on an oily condition. But, on a dry condition, you may get less backend reaction. =:^D

Koabzilla · « **Reply #34 on:** October 22, 2005, 06:34:48 PM »

Well....I thru the ball this afternoon, and honestly, I did not like the reaction at all. I don't think that layout suits my game at all for starters, but there may be hope. The ball only moved maybe 12 boards at the most. Seriously. When I threw the ball, the pin was starring right back at me the entire way down the lane. NO flare at all. Now, maybe I could put a hole in it, to help me out some to, I don't know. The lanes also had a lot of carry down, and re-reading some of the comments made here about carry down....you guys aren't kidding. Now, is the carry down the problem, or how the ball is layed out? Its probably both. Unless the ball is just burnt up, I don't know. I will still try it on league night, with a fresher shot, and maybe I will get something out it then. But so far, doesn't look good

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T-GOD · « **Reply #35 on:** October 22, 2005, 07:39:08 PM »

It's the way the ball is layed out. It's rolling like an axis weight drilling. This won't be good for carrydown.

Stack the pin and CG around your ring finger.

You can even try putting the pin slightly below the bridge, centered on your grip, kicking the CG out a bit. Both layouts should work well. =:^D

Koabzilla · « **Reply #36 on:** October 22, 2005, 09:36:26 PM »

Yeah, I was thinking the same. If I leave the thumb where its at, and move the fingers so the pin is just to the right of the ring, that will push the CG way out from where its at now. Does the CG truly not matter in this case?

hope that last question doesn't spark another controversy.
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Sawuser · « **Reply #37 on:** October 22, 2005, 09:57:33 PM »

Koabzilla, You said the pin was staring you in the face the whole way down the lane. If that is the case, sounds like the pin is right in your axis. We need to know the distance from pin to cg, & rough starting top weight of the ball would be helpful before suggesting a new layout. If swinging your fingers right toward the pin, would that put the cg in the negative side of center? Do you know for a fact there was carry down? Was the lane oil on the heavy side, & is the ball polished? I think I would be tempted to plug the ball & start fresh with a new layout even as much as I hate plugged balls. Just my opinion.
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Koabzilla · « **Reply #38 on:** October 23, 2005, 10:07:12 AM »

Wayne, I am pretty sure its like a 3 1/2 - 4" pin, and plugging the fingers and re-drilling would push the cg out to the left of the palm center. I am pretty sure the lanes were not fresh, and NOT over oiled from their norm. This house uses oil quite sparingly, thats why I don't bowl at that house in particular anymore. But they had open bowling all night on Friday, and a youth league Saturday morning, so all the oil was pushed down the lanes. This is definetley not a polished ball, the cover seems to be in its original state. This ball couldn't be burnt up too could it?
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T-GOD · « **Reply #39 on:** October 23, 2005, 10:33:27 AM »

Pesonally, I'm from the schoolthat CG matters, and it does. With that said, I have seen balls roll very well with the pin over the bridge and the CG way negative.

You just have to match your release with the weights/layout that's on the ball. For example, when there's negative weight, you'll usually need to have more side turn to get a good, strong backend reaction.

Contrary, the more positive weight and/or positive pin position there is, the less side rotation that is needed to achieve a strong backend reaction.

Kobzilla, because you said the pin was staring at you in the face, it seems like you have plenty of side rotation. Therefore, plugging the fingers and moving them to place the pin next to the ring or over the bridge should work for you.

Or at least give you a better reaction than before. =:^D

Sawuser · « **Reply #40 on:** October 23, 2005, 11:56:16 AM »

Koabzilla, I agree with T-God's assessment of the negative weighted ball, & even though most say static weights & cg placement means nothing, I again side with T-God & believe it does matter somewhat. With that out of the way, you said the ball is not polished. You also said the lanes were dry(not oiled), & you thought there was carry down. If the ball was possibly burning up early because of the dry lanes, then hit maybe a little carrydown, in my opinion with that drilling, the ball will do nothing on the back. If you have a house in your area with fresh oil & a decent backend, I would see what the ball does there before making changes.
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Koabzilla · « **Reply #41 on:** October 23, 2005, 02:02:51 PM »

Thats exactly what I am going to do Wayne. My league has good backends, so we will seeafter tomorrow night.
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