Post by: Steven on February 20, 2007, 04:45:28 AM
And then I ran across this on the web from the following link:
http://www.bowlingballsandmore.com/news.asp
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A Lane #1 ball by any other name is still a Lane #1 ball.
According to a reliable source, Brunswick's upcoming release of the "Fury" bowling ball, just may be the sleeper of the season. The weight block in this ball was designed by Richie S. over at Lane #1 when Brunswick was making their coverstocks. Richie had wanted Brunswick to make the ball for Lane #1, but was told that it was too expensive to make.
More out of curiosity than anything else, if this is true, why would Richie turn over a successful design to Brunswick? I just doesn't make any sense unless he was paid a lot of money for the design work.
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Post by: jhutch769 on February 20, 2007, 01:03:18 PM
And I started a post about this already
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=151811&ForumID=7&CategoryID=2
Post by: UpTheLeftGutta on February 20, 2007, 01:03:57 PM
Post by: Steven on February 20, 2007, 01:14:40 PM
Skeglesswonder: I'd consider buying a Fury after seeing it thrown. However, first, I want to do more research into how much overlap their is with the G-Force.
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Post by: DP3 on February 20, 2007, 03:55:02 PM
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Post by: Steven on February 20, 2007, 06:46:01 PM
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I personally don't care who designed it.. but I've seen the core.. and it doesn't look like a diamond core... it has the VERY VERY general shape.. but that's about it.
If it doesn't resemble a twisted diamond to you, that's your opinion. But alot of people do see it as a diamond derivitive. In my opinion (and it's just an opinion), it looks more like a diamond than some of bomb mutations that came out over the past year or two..
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Secondly, you can't look at a ball going down the lane and be like.. yeah that's a diamond core.. that's total bs. I did find humor in that statement though.
Maybe you can't, but bowlers who throw a lot of Lane#1 can. I feel I could pick out a Uranium out from a number of unmarked balls. Even some Brunswick guys can. The guy who I watched throwing the Fury, a friend who competes well in the West regionals, commented to me that it was "too Lane#1" for his taste. Too much midlane roll, not enough backend for what he's looking for. It did look like a Uranium for heavier oil.
But I'm glad you're humored.
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And the article.. probably a way to stir up a rumor.. what do you expect from any news source? Have you ever watched CNN.. they make so much crap up it's unbelieveable.
I don't know if the article is true or not. But it's interesting that the twisted Torsion came along about the same time as the Lane#1 twisted diamond.
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If Lane #1 made the core.. great.. if Bruns made the core.. great. If my grandfather made the core.. great! Who truly cares! It's a core that's going to work and work well.. so as long as it strike and kicks the ten.. no one is going to care.
If you don't care, that's fine, but why respond? I didn't ask for the opinions of those who "don't care". I though it would be interesting to know what role (if any) Richie played in the design of the Torsion. At least one article is suggesting he had a hand.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 20, 2007, 09:21:38 PM
Next, Ritchie, above all else, knows marketing, sales and business in general. If he thought it was a good design, he wouldn't let it go.
Also, if the core was too expensive to make, why would Brunswick buy it? Out of the goodness of their hearts? Don't think so, they are publicly traded, the only goodness they have is what the BoD tells them.
Finally,
Diamond Core = 4 sides, pointed top and bottom
Torsion = 3 sides, rounded top and bottom
It's a stretch by anyone's imagination.
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Post by: Grayson on February 21, 2007, 12:43:11 AM
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Finally,
Diamond Core = 4 sides, pointed top and bottom
Torsion = 3 sides, rounded top and bottom
It's a stretch by anyone's imagination.
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What are you gonna do? Beat me with your Jesus stick?
Actually the basis geometry of a Diamond is a octagon... 8 Sides...
Imho the Torsion core is not a Diamond in any way... similar mayby but not any nearer it.
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Post by: GTX on February 21, 2007, 07:13:01 AM
the way I see it ... BigB realizing the "magic" of the diamond and now they wanna use it ... that by itself says alot
won't be very long till every company has something similar to the diamond
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Post by: Charles on February 21, 2007, 07:31:26 AM
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you guys believe in what ever you like
the way I see it ... BigB realizing the "magic" of the diamond and now they wanna use it ... that by itself says alot
won't be very long till every company has something similar to the diamond
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Back at you as there are only so many things you can do with a Diamond and then it becomes a repeat just like any shape so Lane #1 will evntually run out of ideas for the diamond and move on to another core shape!
Post by: Steven on February 21, 2007, 08:33:49 AM
I simply referenced an article that reported Richie's involvement with the Torsion core as 'news'. I hadn't seen that before and wondered if there was any credibility to the reporting. So far, no one has added anything one way or the other.
As for those who run away from the notion that the Torsion is a derivitive of the Lane#1 diamond, I'd offer that if the Torsion came out in a Lane#1 ball instead of the Fury, few would be screaming that Lane#1 had abandoned their roots and went to a new design philosophy.
Conspiritor, as for the following:
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I dunno if you have really seen the Fury thrown.. but it has more backend than any other solid I have ever seen...
I don't know why you question this. I was watching Billy Machin, ranked 10th in the PBA West Region, throw the Fury for several games. 'Bruns*sigh*Nick' would like to throw the ball like Billy when he grows up
Billy has never been accused of not having hand. Anyway, lots of total hook, but nothing close to skid/snap. Again, it reacted very much like an aggressive solid Uranium.--------------------
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Post by: GTX on February 21, 2007, 09:58:45 AM
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Back at you as there are only so many things you can do with a Diamond and then it becomes a repeat just like any shape so Lane #1 will evntually run out of ideas for the diamond and move on to another core shape!
but you know what ... keep saying "lane1 will run out of ideas" till it really happens ... as for present time .. BigB already ran out of ideas
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Post by: T-GOD on February 21, 2007, 10:54:46 AM
quote:You said it best right there..!! =:^D
he made a core that was user friendly and attractive... and it's a smooth reacting core.. something everyone likes. That's the TRUE "magic" in the core.
Post by: Joe Jr on February 21, 2007, 11:38:08 AM
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you guys believe in what ever you like
the way I see it ... BigB realizing the "magic" of the diamond and now they wanna use it ... that by itself says alot
won't be very long till every company has something similar to the diamond
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Stupidity at it's finest people...
I'm real curious to know what you average? Have you ever bowled any tournaments, what do you average on tougher conditions?
There's nothing magic about these cores, they make good equipment, I liked all of my Lane1 stuff, but the absolute nonsense from posters like GTX here are the reason i'll never consider Lane1 again.
Anyway back on topic, if you compare the core shapes in like a 2d picture or even a silhouette, they are similar but as soon as you get into a 3d model they lose all similarities. But of course that's just my opinion.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on February 21, 2007, 12:18:31 PM
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I liked all of my Lane1 stuff, but the absolute nonsense from posters like GTX here are the reason i'll never consider Lane1 again.
Interesting.
Lefty, it's sad to think that someone's participation on the BR forum would keep you from using something you like. Especially if you liked all of it (as stated).
Let it be known that I do not base my bowling equipment decisions on the musings of ANYBODY on an internet forum. If it works for me, I'm going to purchase it and use it.
As for the topic at hand, I am not suprised at all to hear that (even a remotely) similar shaped core in a Brunswick ball reacts like a Bruns-covered Lane #1 ball. Sounds like a "no-brainer" to me. And why would Brunswick not do something similar if they thought the results would be positive? If that's what people want, why not give it to them? Car companies do it all the time. They take a successful design element from another car and apply it to theirs, only changing it just enough to sidestep patent infringement issues. It's no big deal.
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Post by: GTX on February 21, 2007, 02:27:55 PM
why you guys care ... I must missed where I have to validate my opinion via lane#1 bashers .. bleh
do I care what you think, NO .. all you do is come here and talk trash like you know it all
even if Lane#1 owner comes here and post, you will still post trash ..
why do I even bother with members like you
league avg and tournaments !! lol ... I will down-level to yours to answer it
I have 210+ avg on condition that is tougher than your "easy" US condition .. and the tourneys I won .. your 2 hands are not enough to count them
hmmmm "No magic, but good consistency" .. so good consistency is not magic .. good to know how some "think"
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Post by: Dynoboy on February 21, 2007, 02:35:54 PM
Post by: Steven on February 21, 2007, 04:18:50 PM
How illuminating.
What Lane#1 cores did you look at? Funny you didn't give any information here anyone could use. Have you actually seen a real Torsion core outside of a ball? Doubtful.
Before you label anything 'bs', do your homework.
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Post by: crazye03 on February 21, 2007, 04:25:44 PM
Post by: GTX on February 21, 2007, 04:28:50 PM
don't waste your time ... you to realize how hard it is for them now .. more than ever lol
I mean .. all these years talking sh1t about lane#1 and it core .. and now it is like bigB putting a shose in their mouth lol ..
expect more core designs from bigB and others to get close to the diamond
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Post by: T-GOD on February 21, 2007, 04:42:15 PM
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Post by: Bar5003 on February 21, 2007, 04:42:59 PM
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Post by: GTX on February 21, 2007, 06:23:00 PM
I honestly have no issue with any company to use whatever they want .. even if the design is very close to what lane#1 is using .. it actually shows that lane#1 basic idea is true
what I have issues with is those who come here and just run their mouth ... you got your own forum .. go to it and say all you want ... just coming to our forum and running their mouth is not but childish
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Post by: GTX on February 22, 2007, 11:34:34 AM
good job sticking your nose where it doesn't belong
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Post by: nospareball on February 22, 2007, 12:22:08 PM
Post by: GTX on February 22, 2007, 04:34:50 PM
I just feel sorry & laugh at guys like you ... you talk BS about lane#1 .. yet you spend more time here than any other forum ... that must say something .. you like it or not .. but you know what .. id1ots like you will never get it
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Post by: MegaMav on February 22, 2007, 06:32:31 PM
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Listen Moron, nobody said anything bad about lane one (unless you believe in Magic). Nobody was talking BS about L#1.
I've tried to have an intelligent discussion with you, but you're not capable of carrying one without you starting to devel into ridiculos theories that make absolutlely no sense in the real world. You're the one that doesn't "get it" and I'd be willing to guess most of this forum would agree with me.
Look up the word Zealot..you fit it to a Tee.
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Post by: BrunsNick on February 22, 2007, 06:43:27 PM
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Post by: Top Of The Line on February 22, 2007, 07:33:33 PM
Post by: Walking E on February 22, 2007, 11:34:41 PM
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Storm's Twin V core looks like sort of like a diamond core too, but who cares. there is more to the core than just the shape. Making them look like something recognizable, or something cool just helps sell more balls. It's the technical specs of the core (density, material, mass bias) that ultimately determines the reaction shape.
The cores for the AMF Titan series, the Columbia Rage series and the Columbia Pulse series aren't too far off either. Once you wrap it in the outer core, I highly doubt you would see much difference in the reaction shapes unless the densities are way different (given similar coverstocks, that is).
And speaking of coverstocks, don't forget that that would be far more important to the ball's reaction than the core shape and density anyway. For instance, if you wrapped the highest revving and/or most mass bias Diamond/Twin-V/Titan core with an oil-allergic coverstock like what was on the AMF XS, the ball would still skid 60 feet in heavy oil.
NOTE: I'm not knocking the AMF XS - it was absolutely my favorite dry lane ball, but it was as useless as Paris Hilton's MENSA application on oily lanes.
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Post by: rackattack on February 23, 2007, 04:58:10 AM
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Post by: qstick777 on February 23, 2007, 03:06:47 PM
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Lane #1 is working with an all-new design team now that Columbia 300 is producing its equipment. Richie Sposato now is venturing into higher RG and asymmetric core design to further expand the motion characteristics of the line, looking for a more angular move off the spot with strong continuation.
So, I'm wondering - why a new design team? Does Richie work with the company that is pouring the balls and their design team?
IF so, why would it be surprising that Richie may have had input in what ended up becoming the Torsion core? If he choose to leave Brunswick and move to Columbia, the design would stay with the other designers.
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Post by: williewc on February 25, 2007, 11:14:57 PM
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Let's just admit the truth.EVERY core in the last ten years is based off the majic diamond.They have just been completely altering the shape to avoid a lawsuit.Even the light bulb core if you compare it is just a diamond elongated at one end with the facet sides rounded.The pancake core is simply a diamond flattened and rounded.Tha x factor core.Three diamonds crushed together and rounded to hide the true diamond.The only thing they can't reproduce is the majic and that's why it is Lane ONE.End of story.My facts speak for themselves and if you do not agree you're a troll and a basher so go post elsewhere.
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just for fun i would like to see how you apply that to the Robo core in the Track balls
Post by: rackattack on February 26, 2007, 06:20:41 AM
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just for fun i would like to see how you apply that to the Robo core in the Track balls
Have you ever looked at the robo?It's just the Diamond with the lower third cut off and laid sideways along the bottom and the diamond nuggets placed to the outside.Track just shaved the facets to avoid royalties.
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Post by: Grayson on February 26, 2007, 06:30:24 AM
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just for fun i would like to see how you apply that to the Robo core in the Track balls
Have you ever looked at the robo?It's just the Diamond with the lower third cut off and laid sideways along the bottom and the diamond nuggets placed to the outside.Track just shaved the facets to avoid royalties.
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OMG.... with a lot of imagination.....maybe....
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Post by: rackattack on February 26, 2007, 06:49:15 AM
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OMG.... with a lot of imagination.....maybe....
Track was one of the worst.They even tried naming one of their ripoffs 'Majic' to sucker us in,but we knew by the price it was a fake.There is only one diamond.Lane 1.
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Post by: rackattack on February 26, 2007, 01:02:22 PM
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