Post by: Gixer on March 27, 2009, 07:32:13 AM
My stats are in my profile.
Post by: sluggo35 on March 27, 2009, 03:44:21 PM
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on March 27, 2009, 03:51:44 PM
Post by: buzzaussie299 on March 27, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
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black raspberry saw
emerald saw
cranberry c buzzsaw
enriched uranium stacked
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pearl uranium
pearl carbide
pearl cherry bomb
solid cobalt bomb
xxxl starburst
h20 buzzsaw
liberator
solid uranium
clear diamond
bullet buzzsaw
tsunami
uranium hrg
blueberry buzzsaw 14lb
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Post by: Roy Munson on March 27, 2009, 04:51:16 PM
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Post by: zeusjr on March 27, 2009, 05:06:21 PM
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Contact ZeusJr for pre-ordering Massacre
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Thanks for the reference Roy...
My idea of a benchmark ball is something smooth with a consistent movement down the lane. The original Chainsaw might be a better fit here after a slight surface adjustment it should be able to handle more oil.
The new Massacre has the makings of a awesome ball, just might be to angular for his needs. But then again, that might be what he's looking for... I sure can't wait to get mine..
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Post by: JessN16 on March 27, 2009, 05:23:04 PM
If you can find older gear, the Tsunami H20 is a great bet.
Of the newer stuff, I would say BuzzBomb/R but I know a lot of people don't want to use pearls as a benchmark. The Retro THS might work but I haven't really seen a lot of people raving about that ball.
Perhaps an Agent Orange with a little surface polish?
Jess
Post by: Gazoo on March 27, 2009, 05:39:56 PM
One of the best medium balls out there(almost a one ball arsenal for typical league play) very versatile and great bang for the buck when wanting to try lane1.
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Post by: Gixer on March 27, 2009, 05:44:10 PM
quote:I'm very interested.. How much?
I have 1 heavy 15 H2O NIB that i will sell if anyone is interested.
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Buzzsaw C/2
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Post by: bowlerdawg on March 27, 2009, 07:48:31 PM
more of a cranker, or more of a stroker ?
speed dominate or rev dominate ?
and your preferred line
this will help me give you a recommendation
I read your profile, but it didn't tell me what I needed to know.
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Post by: AK47 on March 27, 2009, 11:27:47 PM
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CHAINSAW = MONEY
DYNAMO
AGENT ORANGE
NEBULA
CHAINSAW BB/R (pin near track)
STARBURST XXXL
Post by: Buzzhead on March 28, 2009, 12:54:22 AM
Nebula
Chainsaw with surface.
Tsunami
h20 is snappy....
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Post by: Gixer on March 28, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
quote:I'm a tweener but I can put a little more on it if need be and I also can fluff it down the lane if I have to.
whats your style of play Clay ?
more of a cranker, or more of a stroker ?
speed dominate or rev dominate ?
and your preferred line
this will help me give you a recommendation
I read your profile, but it didn't tell me what I needed to know.
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When I'm bowling good my revs and speed match up quite well. My preferred line is standing 30 to 35 looking around 3rd arrow but I work real hard on trying to be as versitale and play where ever the lane dictates. Hope this help..
Edited on 3/28/2009 3:12 PM
Post by: Roy Munson on March 28, 2009, 03:28:14 PM
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Post by: holland1945 on March 28, 2009, 03:46:36 PM
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Post by: Steven on March 28, 2009, 06:20:06 PM
quote:
stick with other companies for your hook balls because they're cheaper and just as good
Holland: You've been doing much better lately on commenting in areas where you have knowledge and/or experience, but here it appears you've had another relapse.
The difference in price between a Dynamo and other company high end equipment is lunch money. If you like the roll of diamond based cores, then the other equipment may not be 'just as good' if that's what you're looking for.
Think before proceeding.....
Post by: AK47 on March 28, 2009, 07:36:15 PM
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DYNAMO
AGENT ORANGE
NEBULA
CHAINSAW BB/R (pin near track)
STARBURST XXXL
Post by: holland1945 on March 28, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
quote:quote:
stick with other companies for your hook balls because they're cheaper and just as good
Holland: You've been doing much better lately on commenting in areas where you have knowledge and/or experience, but here it appears you've had another relapse.
The difference in price between a Dynamo and other company high end equipment is lunch money. If you like the roll of diamond based cores, then the other equipment may not be 'just as good' if that's what you're looking for.
Think before proceeding.....
$30 - $50 isn't lunch money to me. I'm a $5 footlong kind of guy.
I'm honored that you're stalking me now too, though.
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Post by: zeusjr on March 28, 2009, 08:43:30 PM
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$30 - $50 isn't lunch money to me. I'm a $5 footlong kind of guy.
Directly from Buddies online site:
Dynamo: $159.95
Bounty: $154.95
Sauce: $152.95
Sx1: $164.95
Resurgence: $157.50
Virtual Gravity: $144.95
Twisted Fury Destruction: $146.50
Lane#1 is no longer $30-$50 more then every other company out there please get your facts right..
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Post by: holland1945 on March 28, 2009, 08:46:11 PM
quote:quote:
$30 - $50 isn't lunch money to me. I'm a $5 footlong kind of guy.
Directly from Buddies online site:
Dynamo: $159.95
Bounty: $154.95
Sauce: $152.95
Sx1: $164.95
Resurgence: $157.50
Virtual Gravity: $144.95
Twisted Fury Destruction: $146.50
Lane#1 is no longer $30-$50 more then every other company out there please get your facts right..
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Dynamo is at "introductory pricing" there, the Agent Orange is at the REAL price, which is (gasp) $30 more.
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Post by: zeusjr on March 28, 2009, 09:12:13 PM
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Dynamo is at "introductory pricing" there, the Agent Orange is at the REAL price, which is (gasp) $30 more.
Dyno's have been on sale for 3+ months, I think the "introductory pricing" would be over...
Ok, here's another one..
I'm offering Dyno's @ $150
tekneek has Rogue Cells @ $133
$17 still isn't $30-$50
Post by: A_P_K on March 28, 2009, 09:36:36 PM
It works on medium and slightly less but shines on true medium patterns or a little more for me.
I have not really seen this type of roll and consistency from many balls but the more I use the Nebula the more I like it. If you can grab one you will not be disappointed.
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Post by: rustylegacy on March 29, 2009, 12:19:40 AM
Post by: holland1945 on March 29, 2009, 12:48:34 AM
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I love meatheads who suggest a ball that hasn't even been released yet as a "benchmark" ball for someone.
It's because the majority of Lane #1 customers are ball collectors, not bowlers. Even if they throw the ball down the lane it doesn't matter what actually happens, what matters is that feeling of intellectual superiority they get by purchasing a Lane #1 ball. Just like Leica camera collectors, a comparison I have made before.
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Post by: buzzaussie299 on March 29, 2009, 01:12:30 AM
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cranberry c buzzsaw
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blueberry buzzsaw 14lb
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Post by: Steven on March 29, 2009, 05:48:33 PM
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It's because the majority of Lane #1 customers are ball collectors, not bowlers. Even if they throw the ball down the lane it doesn't matter what actually happens, what matters is that feeling of intellectual superiority they get by purchasing a Lane #1 ball. Just like Leica camera collectors, a comparison I have made before.
Holland: First, you haven't got a lot right in this thread:
1) You state the price differences as $30-$50 dollars, but in the case of the Dynamo, a simple look of prices at Buddies shows as little as a $2.50 difference.
2) You then try to weasel out of this by claiming the Dynamo price of $159.95 is 'introductory', when in fact it's the real price.
Next, instead of just owning up to your snafus, you pretend to have some kind of mass psychological insights into the minds of the 'majority of Lane #1 customers' that tells you they're ball collectors. What?
Really Holland, get a grip. And get off any notion that I'm stalking you -- I'm stalking repetitive ignorance (and plain wrong information) that you just happen to be the originator of. Do you do this on purpose? If so, for what reason?
Be better............
Edited on 3/29/2009 5:50 PM
Post by: holland1945 on March 29, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
quote:
1) You state the price differences as $30-$50 dollars, but in the case of the Dynamo, a simple look of prices at Buddies shows as little as a $2.50 difference.
I look at the trend, not the outliers. Most high-end Lane #1 balls are in the mid-$170's. Most for other companies are in the mid-$140's. Some, like Brunswick's Zone line, are in the $110's. You're right, there's as little as a $2.50 difference, if you use the best case Lane #1 ball and the worst case other company ball.
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2) You then try to weasel out of this by claiming the Dynamo price of $159.95 is 'introductory', when in fact it's the real price.
That came from another thread, from someone who emailed buddies asking about the difference, so don't blame me for that one.
quote:
Next, instead of just owning up to your snafus, you pretend to have some kind of mass psychological insights into the minds of the 'majority of Lane #1 customers' that tells you they're ball collectors. What?
They are. When you put your bowling ball collection in your signature or profile instead of your honor scores, you're a ball collector. When you own 25 of the same brand and few, if any, of another brand, you're either on that company's staff or you're a ball collector. This isn't hard to figure out. And Sleepy LaBeef was right on with his point too...recommending a ball that's not out yet is ball collector territory. It's fine if that's what you are, but don't claim to be a bowler with bowling knowledge to spread to others if what you're really interested in doing is collecting.
Get off your high horse Steven, and admit to your Lane #1 bias rather than parading around as "neutral but primarily Lane #1 is in my bag" or whatever...you're not on any similar crusade to "protect the good name" of any other brand. I won't believe you're anything but an astroturfer until I see you post something critical about Lane #1, and/or post something that another company does better than Lane #1.
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Post by: zeusjr on March 29, 2009, 06:31:46 PM
And again:
I'm offering Dyno's @ $150
tekneek has Rogue Cells @ $133
$17 still isn't $30-$50
Post by: completebowler on March 29, 2009, 06:40:24 PM
Oh, btw, my Bowl.com page is attached. I think if you look at it most people would consider me a real bowler.
Move along troll
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Post by: completebowler on March 29, 2009, 06:53:35 PM
Blueberry, Raspberries(Black or Pink), Cranberry, Silver Diamond, and Pearl Cherry C2 are the best.
Any Uranium, the H20, and the Gold Nugget would follow behind those.
I like their newer stuff plenty but am less impressed than I was with all the rest I mentioned.
Of the newer stuff I would recommend the G Force Evolution, Buzzbombs, and Dynamo.
I have not thrown the Chainsaw but from what I am hearing it is a lesser reaction and since it sounds like you prefer to play inside I would stay away from that for now.
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Post by: Steven on March 29, 2009, 07:06:53 PM
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Get off your high horse Steven, and admit to your Lane #1 bias rather than parading around as "neutral but primarily Lane #1 is in my bag" or whatever...you're not on any similar crusade to "protect the good name" of any other brand. I won't believe you're anything but an astroturfer until I see you post something critical about Lane #1, and/or post something that another company does better than Lane #1.
LOL. I have a larger non-Lane#1 arsenal than most of the so called 'neutral' posters. That includes multiple Rivals, Widows, Stingers and assorted other Track, AMF and Brunswick equipment. All good balls (except for the Fury) that I use when appropriate. I posted on the Rivals and Widows in the respective Columbia and Hammer forums when I first got those balls a year or two ago. As far as posting something 'critical' about Lane#1, I have (more than once) posted issues I've had with a few of the Bomb based cores. If you missed the posts or didn't read them, that's your problem and I don't have anything to prove to you here.
Any Lane#1 'bias' I have is based on real world experience I have with the product.
I don't make up things or make wild speculations like you do. That's what's offensive about most of what you post here. The forums should be about sharing useful real life experiences. Instead, you choose to share your fantasies. Please, spare us.
Honestly, I'm curious if you do this because you're bored, or in some perverse way you believe some of what you write.
Post by: JessN16 on March 29, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
quote:quote:
1) You state the price differences as $30-$50 dollars, but in the case of the Dynamo, a simple look of prices at Buddies shows as little as a $2.50 difference.
I look at the trend, not the outliers. Most high-end Lane #1 balls are in the mid-$170's. Most for other companies are in the mid-$140's. Some, like Brunswick's Zone line, are in the $110's. You're right, there's as little as a $2.50 difference, if you use the best case Lane #1 ball and the worst case other company ball.quote:
2) You then try to weasel out of this by claiming the Dynamo price of $159.95 is 'introductory', when in fact it's the real price.
That came from another thread, from someone who emailed buddies asking about the difference, so don't blame me for that one.quote:
Next, instead of just owning up to your snafus, you pretend to have some kind of mass psychological insights into the minds of the 'majority of Lane #1 customers' that tells you they're ball collectors. What?
They are. When you put your bowling ball collection in your signature or profile instead of your honor scores, you're a ball collector. When you own 25 of the same brand and few, if any, of another brand, you're either on that company's staff or you're a ball collector. This isn't hard to figure out. And Sleepy LaBeef was right on with his point too...recommending a ball that's not out yet is ball collector territory. It's fine if that's what you are, but don't claim to be a bowler with bowling knowledge to spread to others if what you're really interested in doing is collecting.
Get off your high horse Steven, and admit to your Lane #1 bias rather than parading around as "neutral but primarily Lane #1 is in my bag" or whatever...you're not on any similar crusade to "protect the good name" of any other brand. I won't believe you're anything but an astroturfer until I see you post something critical about Lane #1, and/or post something that another company does better than Lane #1.
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A couple of things need to be pointed out:
1) Lane #1 does not pour its own stuff. Therefore, I don't expect them to price anything they sell equal to Brunswick, Storm or Ebonite. At the shops I've frequented over the years, Lane #1 and MoRich are consistently more expensive by anywhere from $10 to $50. What does Lane #1 and MoRich have in common? Both are contract pours. In order for the parent company to realize the profit on the ball, they have to get it after paying someone else to pour it for them. And both are lower-volume sellers on top of that. Four most expensive balls for me to get locally? Lane #1, MoRich, LaneMasters and Visionary. I don't think it's an accident, either -- they're all lower-volume, some might say "niche" labels.
2) The backlash against certain Lane #1 fanboys has taken on a life of its own to a point where people aren't given an audience to make a legitimate case for the quality of the goods themselves. I'm a hobby driller, and over the last three months, I've drilled the following companies' gear: Lane #1, AMF (2), Visionary, Banger, Storm, Roto Grip (2), Brunswick. The one Lane #1 ball in that bunch was a BuzzBomb/R. It was/is by far the best of the bunch in terms of how it worked for me. The Storm Xtacy Domination and Brunswick Sidewinder were also good.
So the question becomes, how do you communicate that? As bad as being a fanboy is, it's equally as bad for Lane #1 haters to sit on the sideline and allege the company makes crap when they won't throw it for themselves to test.
What's interesting about this to me is that in the 19 years I've been a "serious" bowler, I've used stuff from all companies but gravitated towards three companies more often than the others. For the first five years I bowled, it was AMF. The next 12 years were Storm, and the last two have been Lane #1. The way I came around to Lane #1 is also kind of unique. I met Mr. Sposato in North Carolina at this site's "Gathering" three years ago. The last two Lane #1 balls I'd bought prior to that trip had both been flat-out terrible.
So I go up, introduce myself, and ask him, "Thanks for coming. Can you help me figure out why the last two balls I've bought from you haven't worked for me at all?"
I figured that would either get me ignored or slapped, but he took the time to ask some questions about my game and give me his take on it, and sounded a bit apologetic that things hadn't worked out for me. His attitude in the face of my rather in-your-face question impressed me and led me to keep an open mind about trying another Lane #1 ball in the future.
Over the next year, I worked with a coach extensively and went from being a speed-dominant, low-rev player to a rev-matched tweener. I bought a couple of used Lane #1 balls and found out that, with my change in styles, I now matched up with their equipment.
In the years since, I've found that I tend to average higher, have better control over adjustments and am able to set up an arsenal more easily without overlap between the balls. So my question is, should I ignore this just because I might be lumped into the same box as the fanboys?
I still drill other stuff because I'm constantly trying to keep myself updated on what other companies are doing, but I keep coming back to Lane #1 at this time because I rarely hit a dud. If my game or Lane #1's gear changes, I'll change. I thought about it earlier this year when the 900Global covers started making the balls more angular out of the box than I liked, but it doesn't appear to be a problem across the entire line.
My very long-winded point is that the balls need to stand on their own merits rather than be concerned about who is recommending them and who isn't.
Jess
Edited on 3/29/2009 8:14 PM
Post by: holland1945 on March 29, 2009, 08:20:47 PM
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Holland, I have a Lane 1 bias. I think they consistiently put out some of the best equipment on the market. The guy said he was looking for a new L1 so if you have no knowledge of the equipment then just move on. Between my brother and I we have over 200 balls and over 40 of them are Lane 1 so I use and have use everything but I beleive Buzzsaws are the best.
Oh, btw, my Bowl.com page is attached. I think if you look at it most people would consider me a real bowler.
Move along troll
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Congrats, I never said ALL Lane #1 fans are just ball collectors (and before someone goes there, you can certainly be a good bowler AND a ball collector). Your offense to my post therefore indicates a lack of reading comprehension or an idea that hits closer to home than you'd like to admit. I don't really care which is the case.
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Post by: holland1945 on March 29, 2009, 08:23:27 PM
quote:
Maybe I'm wrong but now your comparing a line of balls from the Big B that isn't their TOP line stuff...
And again:
I'm offering Dyno's @ $150
tekneek has Rogue Cells @ $133
$17 still isn't $30-$50
Zones are the "1A" line for Brunswick, but there's other examples I'm sure.
Also, why are you comparing your price on Dynothane to teeknek's? What relevance does that have here?
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Post by: zeusjr on March 29, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
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Also, why are you comparing your price on Dynothane to teeknek's? What relevance does that have here?
Dyno's = Dynamo's not Dynothane
Post by: holland1945 on March 29, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
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LOL. I have a larger non-Lane#1 arsenal than most of the so called 'neutral' posters.
Which proves what? Not that you're not a Lane #1 fanboy. Lack thereof is one possible symptom I mentioned of Lane #1 Fanboyitis, yes, but it doesn't prove anything either way.
I posted on the Rivals and Widows in the respective Columbia and Hammer forums when I first got those balls a year or two ago.
So I can expect to see you stop posting in the Lane #1 forum after a few months has passed since your last purchase of a Lane #1 ball?
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As far as posting something 'critical' about Lane#1, I have (more than once) posted issues I've had with a few of the Bomb based cores. If you missed the posts or didn't read them, that's your problem and I don't have anything to prove to you here.
I'm sure it was something to the effect of "This core is super awesome, it just doesn't work for ME, I think everybody who isn't me will love this bomb core ball so long as they can find a lane with 5 extra boards! Gooooooooo Lane #1!"
In any event, I'm talking about something bigger, company-wide not ball-specific. Ebonite's issue is of course lack of quality in some of the brands they've taken over. Brunswick has their Mexico production issues. MoRich's is that they do not offer a full spectrum of equipment to fill your arsenal. Lane #1's got a plethora, including their high price, sponsoring of Rudy Revs and the Lane #1 Hummer, ridiculous marketing claims, buying out Beans and doubling the price of his stuff, dubious claims of technological superiority and drilling technique superiority, failure to succeed in the PBA despite being in the same boat as MoRich who has had much success, hypocrisy (e.g. moving from Brunswick claiming they're doing so because of their move to Mexico and wanting to stay American, but pouring their plastic balls in another country just like everybody else), etc. etc. etc. It's a terrible company that fosters an elitist customer base thanks to snake oil, and as I have gone on in length about before (longer than this actually), it's a shame because they make some good stuff and I'm not just talking about the XXXL and Liberator, either. If they operated more like a normal company, like say MoRich, they'd have at least the same amount of sales but less negative mojo at the same time.
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Any Lane#1 'bias' I have is based on real world experience I have with the product.
Then just come out and say that you love Lane #1 and it's superior to everything else you've tried. Don't pretend to be neutral and helping people in an objective manner when you're not.
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I don't make up things or make wild speculations like you do. That's what's offensive about most of what you post here. The forums should be about sharing useful real life experiences. Instead, you choose to share your fantasies. Please, spare us.[/quote]
What have I made up? Wild speculations, that's your opinion about my opinions, but I have not made up anything. That much should be clear considering you quickly switched your focus to the opinion part of my post, and away from the fact part. And I AM sharing useful real life experiences - the real life experience that Lane #1 equipment may (or may not) improve your game, but it sure costs more than the other guys, and not a single PBA exempt bowler uses Lane #1 equipment and no one has ever won a PBA tournament with a Lane #1 ball, even a free agent. So either it's not as good as claimed or they're not spending their marketing dollars in the right way.
If pros who are not under contract can use anything they want, and high level amateurs can use anything they want aren't choosing and winning with Lane #1, then I guess there's no proof to the competitive advantage reported. A lot of other companies make low RG high diff equipment that one can choose and essentially get a free ball in the process of building their arsenal, because when you're saving $30 per ball that's what you're going to get.
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Post by: JessN16 on March 29, 2009, 09:00:38 PM
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It's a terrible company that fosters an elitist customer base thanks to snake oil, and as I have gone on in length about before (longer than this actually), it's a shame because they make some good stuff and I'm not just talking about the XXXL and Liberator, either. If they operated more like a normal company, like say MoRich, they'd have at least the same amount of sales but less negative mojo at the same time.
Funny you should mention MoRich in that way because over the years, I've only had negative customer service experiences with two companies, and that's one of them. I'm not going to go on and on about it, because I realize anyone could have a bad day. (The other unhappy experience was with Columbia, pre-buyout.)
Also, if you want to hold technobabble against a company, do the same for MoRich. There is no more tech-heavy company out there than them, and while I give Mr. Pinel major props for being an intelligent man, some of what he pushes isn't received without controversy (there's a thread in the Drillings forum right now about weight holes in the palm that illustrates this).
I agree that Lane #1's marketing strategies are sometimes beyond the realm of sanity. What I don't agree with is that it "fosters an elitist customer base." I've never seen anyone here claim to be a better person than someone else because they threw Lane #1. It's the same as any niche company that has committed, loyal fans, whether in the automotive field, musical instruments, firearms, whatever. If anything, I've found this forum to be much more responsive to questions seeking help than most on this site. This forum, the Brunswick and Track forums are probably tops in that regard. "Elitist" suggests they can't be bothered.
Jess
Post by: Steven on March 29, 2009, 10:27:40 PM
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â€stick with other companies for your hook balls because they're cheaper and just as goodâ€
“$30 - $50 isn't lunch money to me. I'm a $5 footlong kind of guy.â€
“the majority of Lane #1 customers are ball collectors, not bowlers. Even if they throw the ball down the lane it doesn't matter what actually happens, what matters is that feeling of intellectual superiority they get by purchasing a Lane #1 ball.â€
“When you put your bowling ball collection in your signature or profile instead of your honor scores, you're a ball collector.â€
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You, and only you yourself, are responsible for the dribble you've posted above. You've missed the mark on the current price point of Lane#1's current premier ball -- the Dynamo. You don't have any first hand experience with higher point Lane#1 equipment, but you'll make a truly ignorant statement that other ball are 'just as good'.
Even where there is a $30-$50 dollar difference, you don't understand that to more serious bowlers, that this is truly lunch money. Any higher end tournament you go to is $300-$500 out of pocket for a weekend, so why is $30-$50 a big deal when you're talking about purchasing a ball that you're comfortable with? You're completely lacking in perspective here.
The majority of Lane #1 customers are ball collectors? You must have been smoking something really funny to say something like that. There is nothing wrong with anyone's reading comprehension to conclude that this is one of the more idiotic things you've blurted out.
And putting a ball collection in the signature instead of honor scores is something telling?? Yes, what it says is that they'd rather list the balls they have experience with that honor scores that will mean little to anyone else. Why does that simple fact elude you??
As usual, you've done everything but simply own up to another one of your fantasy binges. It's not about me or anyone else. It's about you taking responsibility for another one of your Lane#1 fiction pieces.
I'll give you credit for something. You're a Lane#1 troll, but at least an amusing one.
Post by: holland1945 on March 29, 2009, 10:40:31 PM
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1) Lane #1 does not pour its own stuff. Therefore, I don't expect them to price anything they sell equal to Brunswick, Storm or Ebonite.
How does MoRich do it?
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At the shops I've frequented over the years, Lane #1 and MoRich are consistently more expensive by anywhere from $10 to $50.
My local proshop and buddies both price MoRich the same as Lane #1. Perhaps your shop is using some sort of scarcity angle to price MoRich higher, I don't know.
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2) The backlash against certain Lane #1 fanboys has taken on a life of its own to a point where people aren't given an audience to make a legitimate case for the quality of the goods themselves.
When the company puts out marketing that guarantees an increase in average, necessitates wider lanes, etc., the no-nonsense types that most bowlers tend to be are going to be annoyed with that. Other companies promise more hook, more back end, more length, etc., but none make the claim that your average will go up because of their equipment or that the core hits "20% harder".
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So the question becomes, how do you communicate that? As bad as being a fanboy is, it's equally as bad for Lane #1 haters to sit on the sideline and allege the company makes crap when they won't throw it for themselves to test.
I've never said they make crap. I think some of their pieces were not good based on their own marketing videos, but other videos have shown me that other products are good. And I loved my XXXL and will be getting a Starburst at some point. I'd buy an XXL if they remade it, too.
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In the years since, I've found that I tend to average higher, have better control over adjustments and am able to set up an arsenal more easily without overlap between the balls. So my question is, should I ignore this just because I might be lumped into the same box as the fanboys?
Absolutely not, because you seem to grasp that different things work for different people. Brunswick nor Ebonite nor Lane #1 is the answer all the time for everybody.
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My very long-winded point is that the balls need to stand on their own merits rather than be concerned about who is recommending them and who isn't.
Agreed.
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Post by: JessN16 on March 30, 2009, 11:37:21 AM
What's going to end up being funny about Lane #1's infamous "20 percent" stuff is I'm about to literally "halfway" prove it. If the season were to end tomorrow, my average would have gone up from 178 to 195 since switching over two years ago. That's an increase of 9.55 percent. Of course, there's a lot of other things going on, led by the fact that I'm finally healthy again. But I haven't averaged this high in five years.
Jess
Post by: mrfox101 on March 30, 2009, 11:41:49 AM
I started mainly with AMF equipment, then went thru a bunch of Brunswick, Storm, Colombia, Track, Hammer, etc...You name a ball company, and I've probably thrown something with thier logo on it. It was nothing to open my closet and find 10-15 balls stacked on the floor. (Damn things are like rabbits, they just seem to multiply on thier own).
While I primarily throw Lane #1 now, I can say that I was just as proud of my Hammers, Zones, Rhino Pro's, Cobra's, XL's, Pirannha, El Nino, etc...while they were seeing thier time on the lanes. They all had thier good points and thier bad. I shot very well with some and not so well with others, but I must have liked them all, or I wouldn't have laid my hard earned money down for them...and I buy my equipment to throw, not to collect.
While I understand that not everyone is a fan of what I currently throw, I also understand that they work for me...and that's the only results and/or opinion that I need.
It's unfortunate that a post asking a simple question, and asking for input and opinions goes off the path thanks to some who feel the need to bash others to cover thier own short-comings.
And Clay-West...the Teal THS is about as "medium" as you could find. It's pretty much the first ball out of my bag whenever I'm not sure of what the lane conditions are going to be.
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Throwin' Saws...
Buzzsaw THS x2
G-Force Evolution
G-Force Supernova
Dirty Bomb x2
Buzzbomb
Crystal Clear
and some other random stuff...
Hammer - No Mercy
Track - Rising SE
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Post by: AK47 on March 30, 2009, 11:53:40 AM
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DYNAMO
AGENT ORANGE
NEBULA
CHAINSAW BB/R (pin near track)
STARBURST XXXL
Post by: Roy Munson on March 30, 2009, 01:18:37 PM
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Post by: bowlerdawg on March 30, 2009, 02:25:31 PM
back to the mans question
if you like pearls then I say get an XP
great benchmark ball for me
If you like solids then I say get a buzzbomb
another great ball for me
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Post by: Gixer on March 30, 2009, 03:21:24 PM
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Post by: charleyball on March 31, 2009, 12:13:07 AM
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Grip it and Rip it!!!!
Current arsenal:
Lane #1-Buzzbomb/R
Lane #1-Supernova XP
Storm-Attitude Shift
Storm-Trama Recovery
Columbia-Wrath SF
Columbia-White Dot
AMF-Radar
Post by: bowlerdawg on April 28, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
i don't think so
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Post by: albrahal on April 28, 2009, 10:28:26 AM
Post by: bowlerdawg on April 28, 2009, 11:31:04 AM
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Spend your money elsewhere! Lane #1 are overpriced and "oil soaking sponges." Mid priced Brunswick or Storms last longer and will make you happier in the long run!
you must not have used yours correctly
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Post by: SleepOnIce on April 28, 2009, 11:41:12 AM
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Spend your money elsewhere! Lane #1 are overpriced and "oil soaking sponges." Mid priced Brunswick or Storms last longer and will make you happier in the long run!
So they absorb 20% more oil?
I've seen a couple of people throw the Buzzsaw THS, and it was really even rolling. I'd get one if I didn't already have a ball like that.
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Post by: Steven on April 28, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
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Join the club..
Neither can I...
When we get that 'inverted' release worked out, the Lane#1 thing will make more sense. Keep your head up.....
Post by: Gazoo on April 28, 2009, 02:57:23 PM
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Post by: Steven on April 28, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Mine has been very durable so far. I'm really liking the covers out of San Antonio.
Post by: Steven on April 28, 2009, 05:50:20 PM
Post by: bowlerdawg on April 28, 2009, 07:03:04 PM
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