i understand that not all pocket hits are gonna carry, but i just wanna know why?  as in why the huge discrepency between league night and tonight. i threw a very similar shot.  if anything my entry angle tonight was a little sharper.
i read once that the optimal entry angle is something like 6 degrees?  i dunno but i'm positive that tonight it was well beyond 6 degrees.
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Yes. It is all about entry angle and the line you play. If the lanes dictate a certain style, you'd better know how to adjust. This can make a tremendous change in scoring. Either changing your target or even moving up and down the approch by some inches can make a big difference, especially when you have a solid/stable game.

Biggest wonder I met was in summer league, when the laneman put out surprisingly much oil. The strongest ball I had with me was an X-Factor RE-Loaded. The lane was bitterly slick, everbody was struggling, and I was playing 3rd arrow as per usual, my favorite line. results were so so, 150 and less. Then my team mate suggested moving to the righ and playing across 2nd arrow for a down-and-in shot. Nothing to lose I tried, and the next game became a 200+ because I was able to hold the line - but the entry angle into the pins became steeper and the ball carried much better. Since then I am very cautious about ball reaction in the backend, and the entry angle of my balls.
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Sorry to hi-jack your post(nice shooting by the way).

Does lane condition and the amount of oil plays into the carry game?
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thank you for all of your invaluable comments up to this point.

tonight i have another league, i'm gonna throw some practice shots from my original position (heals over the edge) and some from the first row of dots
and see if i come up with the same results.  

last night i did go bowl by myself, but i had 2 lanes.  as far as ball speed, rev rate, and entry angle....  i think i throw between 17-18.5 mph
my rev rate is high, btw i have no idea how ppl come up with an actual rpm #, but i would like to know how to calculate it. so if anyone can provide info. on that, it would be great. my entry angle at times can be very sharp well beyond the supposed optimal 6 degree angle.  

here is a link to 2 clips of my throwing the HDB

if the vid looks blury or something please try to change the view width
i found it to be viewed best at 320 from my computer

http://media.putfile.com/HDB-no-Carry
http://media.putfile.com/HDB-Carry

after viewing it, any thoughts as to why one of them didn't carry
dunno if you can do it at putfile, but on my computer i replayed both of the shots in slow motion, it looks like the 2 shots hit at a almost similar entry angles, ball speed, and rev rate.  

to me, this has been the most confusing aspect of my game, similar shots, but 1 carrys and 1 doesn't.  these vids were not of last night but any critique of my shot is welcome as well as any comments on the videos.

thanks again for all the replies, keep them coming.

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The one where you didn't carry looks like it didn't get out to the dry enough and stayed in the oil too long. The turn on the ball could have been slightly different also.

It looks like you had more side turn on the ball that didn't carry, this means it slid farther down the lane, losing carry.

The one where it carried, looks like it was thrown farther outside, into the dry, so it gripped better and had better angle and gripping action into the pocket.

More angle doesn't mean more 10 pins. Less angle usually means less carry. =:^D

Okay, here's my opinion - take it for what it's worth: Moving up/back will generally change the ball speed slower/faster respectively.  The faster speed especially when combined with the inside line will change the angle of attack.  Now while the video does not necessarily show a faster speed for the no carry shot it does show it to be shallower(sp?), possibly rolled out and deflected more.  The path of the ball for the carry shot shows the ball driving the 1 left, 3 right, then straight back into the 5-8-9 entering the pit in the center of the lane.  The no-carry shot enters lighter and drives the 3-pin back into the 9-pin, following the 3-pin back the ball trips the 5 into the 8 and clips the 6-pin too shallow for it to get the 10.  The ball drops into the pit where the 9-pin was.  

From this I would suggest one of two things: if you like the inside line slow the ball down or keep your speed and let the ball get outside. Either way you will be letting the ball "grab" the lane and get into it's roll and strike the pins with more authority!  

Before you do anything check where your foot stops on the approach and exactly where your ball is landing. This might help you decide how to adjust your ball speed and your line.  


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