Author Topic: My point about Lane 1 stuff (Read 1998 times)

HamPster · « **on:** February 14, 2004, 10:56:04 PM »

Those Brunswick coverstocks . . See what happened to Rick Steelsmith? My Lane 1 stuff does that. Then you try to get around it, and it overhooks or hooks early. Guess I just have to find a longer pattern or a ball that doesn't roll out . .
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Bjaardker · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:35:02 PM »

Hamster, IMHO that was just bad choices when it came to Steelsmith.

He was using the Slay/r, a pretty darn weak ball & leaving lots of ringing 10's. It looked like 80% of the time he wasn't burning off enough energy & the other 20% he was simply coming in at a bad angle.

Look at the move WRW made. Up the back of the ball with a heavier particle to make sure he was burning off enough energy. Even then he too left a couple of ringing 10's.

You'll notice that the guy who won the round before (B. Smith) was also using a heavy particle (raging inferno). I think that it's no coincidence that the 2 guys with what seemed to be the best carry today were playing with very similar equipment. (excluding Robert Smith who by sheer force makes any pins carry).

Bottom line, I just dont see that the slay/r was the right ball for the conditions. At times it had a nice hook/stop reaction, but for the most part was inconsistant.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:38:26 PM »

Hamster, face it. Maybe the Brunswick & Lane 1 covers and cores don't match up with you and your style or maybe they just don't match up for you in your house, just like Storm covers and cores don't match up for me in any house. Ditto for Columbia.

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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:14:57 PM »

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Those Brunswick coverstocks . . See what happened to Rick Steelsmith? My Lane 1 stuff does that. Then you try to get around it, and it overhooks or hooks early. Guess I just have to find a longer pattern or a ball that doesn't roll out.

Were you and I watching the same game??
Steelsmith's SlayR was not finishing for him because of his release: too much up the back. Once the game was mostly over, he came around the ball a little more, providing more backend and then he kicked out all those 10 pins. The ball was just not have enough backend for the condition. He was using the weakest ball there and pinged 4 or 5 10 pins. He needed a Red/Black Monster like Ciccone did or a stronger ball.

If your Lane#1 balls are doing that, you need to use a stronger ball or increase your angle of rotation.
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HamPster · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2004, 11:44:51 PM »

I know his release wasn't that great, but the ball wasn't helping at all. If it would have kept rolling at the same angle at the breakpoint as it was the first 40 feet, it wouldn't have been that bad. Smith's Boost picked up and turned the corner. He was coming more around it, granted, but I just don't like that hook/set reaction. I can't change my angle of rotation, because the ball will either overhook, or won't. I'll quit harping on it, but those B coverstocks are a little rough. My Viper outhooks just about anything I have, and that's only because it starts hooking at 35 feet. If my angle of rotation is 60 degrees with it, when it hits the breakpoint, it finishes at 45 degrees or less. My X-Factor rolls at the same angle the entire length of the lane.
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Jeffrevs · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2004, 07:29:20 AM »

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Charlest...are you sure Ciccone was using a Red/Black Monster? I could have sworn he was using a Frenzy...But then again I only saw like 4 balls thrown of the first match...
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2004, 08:15:53 AM »

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Charlest...are you sure Ciccone was using a Red/Black Monster? I could have sworn he was using a Frenzy...But then again I only saw like 4 balls thrown of the first match...
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No, I am not sure. It was red, it said Monster. It could very well have been the Frenzy, which has more red than Black like the "red/black". It rolled pretty early for a Frenzy but that could have been the dry out there at 5 board.

Actually of those 3 red, pearl Brunswick pearls (Frenzy, Red/Black, & SlayR), the Frenzy was probably the best choice for those lanes.
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bamaster · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2004, 09:59:50 AM »

It no longer surprises me that people claim to know that a pro's ball choices are bad. Forget that Steelsmith is an incredibly accomplished bowler who managed to make the show on a pattern where anyone could be beat. Forget that the lanes were transitioning hard.

What's sad is that people say it was the ball's fault. It's no wonder Lane 1 can price their balls the way they do when so many people believe the ball has so much to do with a bowler's success.

The carry was tough. You had to have the right angle of entry. Steelsmith wasn't throwing his best shots and Bobby sprayed it but had the pin action. This is the second title for him this season and both were on E Pattern.

Tony

HamPster · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2004, 10:59:48 AM »

It was a Frenzy he was throwing. The coloring was closer to the Frenzy. And as sad as it is, the ball has a lot to do with a bowler's success. Naturally, many of the good bowlers can take a ball and make it work for 200's, but with today's scoring pace, you have to have THE ball to keep up with everyone else. When you have a ball you have to force, it messes with your mechanics. I'm sick of all this new stuff though, I'd rather just go back to urethane. Everything I prefer throwing rolls about like urethane anyway, it just hooks a little more.
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T-GOD · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2004, 11:23:56 AM »

It looked to me that Steelsmith's ball was burning up too early and rolling out. Based on his hand position, he could have been using the wrong layout, or have a bad weight combination, like maybe bottom weight, who knows.

So, either a different layout with different weights, and/or a change in hand position would've helped his ball reaction and carry. Either way, his ball was rolling out in my opinion. =:^D

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