Post by: Storm269 on January 11, 2007, 11:37:03 AM
--------------------
My New League Season Arsenal:
Carbide Plus Enriched Uranium Uranium HRG
Maxim Spare
Post by: J_Mac on January 11, 2007, 08:09:28 PM
I've had 2 TPC Players that are listed at .068 diff in 15#s and neither of those compared to my BCB. The way my BCB is laid out the initial flare rings have close to the maximum amount (3/8") of flare separation between them. The layout difference between the Players and the BCB is certainly a deciding factor in that as I don't recall the Players having that much flare ring separation. The Players also had pins in the 1"-2" range, which should have kept them smoother in comparison to ones with a 3"-4" pin out range.
For myself, I've found that keeping the BCB at 2000 abralon makes it an excellent benchmark ball for me. On every lane condition other than the extremes I can make small adjustments and keep the ball in the pocket, but most realize that putting a ball in the 1-3 pocket won't always carry.
--------------------
"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby
"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Edited on 1/13/2007 3:41 PM
Post by: triggerman on January 11, 2007, 09:12:04 PM
--------------------
www.bowlingballexchange.com
Made member of the Lane #1 Mafia
Post by: mumzie on January 12, 2007, 09:08:28 AM
I don't have one to use any more, since mine is 15# and I now use 14.
--------------------
Scratch Doubles results can be found at
www.bowlersresourcecenter.com/scratchdoubles
--------
For all your embroidery, digital apparel printing, and apparel purchases - check us out!
www.strikinggraphics.com
Post by: Gene J Kanak on January 12, 2007, 09:12:48 AM
--------------------
I've only bowled 300, but I've benched 345
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?mp=519&ms=9130&s=2006-2007
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 12, 2007, 09:54:51 AM
--------------------
Brick
Post by: J_Mac on January 12, 2007, 02:38:09 PM
quote:
Can anyone compare the Black Cherry Bomb to the Solid Cobalt Bomb?
--------------------
Brick
It would be a poor comparison of an apple to an orange, heck even the inside of an apple isn't similar to that of an orange.
--------------------
"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby
"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 12, 2007, 03:11:02 PM
quote:
It would be a poor comparison of an apple to an orange, heck even the inside of an apple isn't similar to that of an orange.
J Mac, why even bother to post when you have nothing useful to offer?
I'll re-phrase the question.......
"Can anyone tell me the differences between the Black Cherry Bomb and the Solid Cobalt Bomb"?
--------------------
Brick
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 12, 2007, 05:44:11 PM
Mine is drilled Label 1:30, and like someone above mentioned, it flares like mad (I do not have much hand either). I have used it successfully on both a heavy-ish THS, and a long sport shot. It reads the mids very nicely, yet saves quite a bit of pop for the backends.
My BCB is stronger than my Solid Cobalt by a good margin. The BCB also seems to have more backend.
--------------------
Jon (in Ohio)
CHROME WON'T GET YOU HOME!
F.O.S. Proud Saw user...see profile.
Post by: MegaMav on January 12, 2007, 05:49:11 PM
Post by: MegaMav on January 12, 2007, 06:01:09 PM
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 12, 2007, 06:05:04 PM
--------------------
Jon (in Ohio)
CHROME WON'T GET YOU HOME!
F.O.S. Proud Saw user...see profile.
Post by: a_ak57 on January 12, 2007, 06:15:24 PM
--------------------
- Andy
Post by: MegaMav on January 12, 2007, 06:55:17 PM
quote:
Even if you throw a 30 mph knuckleball, huh?
yes it will, if the lane was 200 ft long, sure thing!
Post by: MegaMav on January 12, 2007, 07:02:06 PM
quote:
Uh, Megamav, nobody claimed that the BCB is the only bowling ball ever made that flares. They just said it flares a lot even if you don't have much hand. It's not crazy to say a really high flare ball will flare more than something with a diff of .025 or whatever.
nor did I imply that.
but what was implied was this...
quote:
Flares close to 6" for me... and I don't really have that much hand either.
and this...
quote:
Mine is drilled Label 1:30, and like someone above mentioned, it flares like mad (I do not have much hand either).
amount of "hand" has little to do with flare on a ball, if you're going to skate the ball and not allow it to roll, thats one exception, but in general the ball will always flare the same way, thrown flat or with rotation put on by the bowler. If you drill it in a leverage manner, then it will always flare at its widest margin. You can have a "ton of hand" and have the ball drilled with the pin on PAP or track, it will still flare at a minimum.
Edited on 1/12/2007 8:02 PM
Post by: Rabiddog135 on January 12, 2007, 07:19:23 PM
--------------------
Cobalt Pearl,Tsunami,XL,XXL,XXXL,
Black Raspberry
Thats Just What I Carry In The Bag
And In Storage
Cobalt Bomb (NIB),BCB(X2-1 NIB),
Original SD(X2,NIB),
Golden Nugget,
Pearl Uranium
Pearl Cherry Bomb (X3-1NIB 1 is 16Lb)
SCB,
H2O,
Pink Raspberry (X1-16Lb)
Buzzsaw C/Carbide
And Always Looking For More
Lane#1 mafia soldier
F.O.S. To The Bone
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 12, 2007, 11:25:31 PM
--------------------
Brick
Post by: Rabiddog135 on January 13, 2007, 07:16:58 AM
On the shots I tried it out on it just rolled out on me and would not hit because it had nothing left to give on the backend I still have it and a NIB and have been thinking about either plugging the first one and having a weaker layout put on it or drill up the NIB weaker. The one that is allready drilled I might just keep it the way it is for heavier conditions if I ever encounter them.
quote:
Rabiddog, I'm trying to learn something about Bomb Cores. Where was the Pin and CG located on your BCB?
--------------------
Brick
--------------------
Cobalt Pearl,Tsunami,XL,XXL,XXXL,
Black Raspberry
Thats Just What I Carry In The Bag
And In Storage
Cobalt Bomb (NIB),BCB(X2-1 NIB),
Original SD(X2,NIB),
Golden Nugget,
Pearl Uranium
Pearl Cherry Bomb (X3-1NIB 1 is 16Lb)
SCB,
H2O,
Pink Raspberry (X1-16Lb)
Buzzsaw C/Carbide
And Always Looking For More
Lane#1 mafia soldier
F.O.S. To The Bone
Post by: Rabiddog135 on January 13, 2007, 07:22:23 AM
Hope all this helps you out
--------------------
Cobalt Pearl,Tsunami,XL,XXL,XXXL,
Black Raspberry
Thats Just What I Carry In The Bag
And In Storage
Cobalt Bomb (NIB),BCB(X2-1 NIB),
Original SD(X2,NIB),
Golden Nugget,
Pearl Uranium
Pearl Cherry Bomb (X3-1NIB 1 is 16Lb)
SCB,
H2O,
Pink Raspberry (X1-16Lb)
Buzzsaw C/Carbide
And Always Looking For More
Lane#1 mafia soldier
F.O.S. To The Bone
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 13, 2007, 12:47:13 PM
--------------------
Brick
Post by: novawagonmaster on January 13, 2007, 02:18:34 PM
quote:quote:
Even if you throw a 30 mph knuckleball, huh?
yes it will, if the lane was 200 ft long, sure thing!
I have not run into that condition yet.
Forgive me for not realizing that we were talking about fantasy bowling where you can make up the parameters to suit your argument.
I have some balls that flare more than others. I have also thrown the same ball as a fellow bowler, and witnessed his ball flare more than mine. Doesn't it stand to reson that every revolution will add a flare ring until the point the ball rolls out? I was merely stating that even with my higher speed and lack of revs, the BCB flares alot. Maybe I am having a bad day, but it seems to me you look for any reson to contradict everybody. How does that help anyone?
--------------------
Jon (in Ohio)
CHROME WON'T GET YOU HOME!
F.O.S. Proud Saw user...see profile.
Post by: J_Mac on January 13, 2007, 02:28:54 PM
quote:quote:
It would be a poor comparison of an apple to an orange, heck even the inside of an apple isn't similar to that of an orange.
J Mac, why even bother to post when you have nothing useful to offer?
I'll re-phrase the question.......
"Can anyone tell me the differences between the Black Cherry Bomb and the Solid Cobalt Bomb"?
--------------------
Brick
Don't you think your inquiry would also be better suited to a new topic? You're on the brink of hijacking a topic just like the "punks" here that everyone loves to hate...
--------------------
"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby
"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Post by: MegaMav on January 13, 2007, 07:41:30 PM
quote:
I have not run into that condition yet.
Forgive me for not realizing that we were talking about fantasy bowling where you can make up the parameters to suit your argument.
Quoting the knuckleball scenario supports the above.
Who outside of 8 year old kids with plastic, knuckleball it?
you get what im saying, thats all that matters.
watch the brunswick video, it will further illustrate my point.
Post by: Steven on January 13, 2007, 08:54:58 PM
Well, after watching the video several times, that 'not much difference' is in fact a subtle but measurable difference. The ball drilled to generate additional flare created a small amount of additional backend reaction, which in the hands of a good bowler can translate to another 10 pins a game.
The BCB is a ball with high flare potential, which in the hands of the right bowler can lead to enhanced reaction. That's all many here are trying to convey.
Based on all this, I'm not sure what you're point is.
--------------------
"Sometimes, the best move is the one we don't make"
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 13, 2007, 09:10:16 PM
quote:
Don't you think your inquiry would also be better suited to a new topic? You're on the brink of hijacking a topic just like the "punks" here that everyone loves to hate...
J Mac, it's too late for me to hijack it because you already beat me to it here.
--------------------
Brick
Post by: MegaMav on January 13, 2007, 09:29:19 PM
My Last Word:
Put some turn on the ball, see where it flares.
Throw the ball flat, see where it flares.
"Hand" has nothing to do with it, it flares the same.
Post by: J_Mac on January 13, 2007, 09:43:20 PM
quote:quote:
Don't you think your inquiry would also be better suited to a new topic? You're on the brink of hijacking a topic just like the "punks" here that everyone loves to hate...
J Mac, it's too late for me to hijack it because you already beat me to it here.
--------------------
Brick
Meh, like most posts here it got all jacked up. I added more information to my original post in hopes to make up for my less helpful additions to the topic.
*shrug* No one's perfect...
--------------------
"A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby
"Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."