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Joe Jr

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How much ball is the Liberator?
« on: February 26, 2009, 02:59:38 PM »
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 11:19:54 PM »
Chainsaw is great, it gets through the heads better than the Liberator... The Liberator needs some head oil to get down the lane
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 11:23:08 PM »
yeah go with chainsaw, liberator is early and strong! take a look at the buddies vid, its a lefty vid
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 02:01:46 AM »
Lib is definately strong out of box with that Urethane "Back Off" down lane.

If you shine it the ball will clear the fronts better and give you a little more downlane. Needs dry to be effective. It really excels with one direction change. If you try to go to far left to right it usually will not make it back..

Chainsaw is very clean through the fronts but rolly because of the short center heavy core. Very good nad predictable..

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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 07:36:17 AM »
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 07:38:46 AM »
I love my Liberator. Drilled it with the pin below bridge and cg swung out at about 30 degrees. Ball does need some dry to work, I use it as a ten pin spare ball, but will roll hard. On our ths it blends out the over/under pretty well.
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 11:59:44 AM »
since no one wants or seems able to give frank his answer, I will try to give you a good comparison of the liberator vs the chainsaw

first and foremost out of box
liberator dull, sanded urethane
Chainsaw, polished solid reactive

liberator out of box, it is urethane so it does indeed show that classic urethane move in the mids, wants to start but urethane lacks that reactive portion and as beans said will lay off on the back, just like most urethane solid balls do

Chainsaw is long and saves it all for the backend, very smooth roll tho, and kits fantastic, not an oil ball by any means but those with hand can def hit on it and get some movement

comparison of users, I have seen 3 individuals with different styles throw these two balls (no leftys sorry Frank)

first guy, high rev low speed guy, the libby was too much, surface for him was brought up to 4k abralon and then polished to a mirror like finish, ball still wants to start early and roll out, nature of the urethane, chainsaw, gave him more the look he wanted, out of box it hit the shot for him (this guy typically throws plastic by the end of the night)

guy two, tweener, 16 mph libby for him is also polished, gets a good downlane read, and works very well on spotty lanes, the urethane smooths out the over under, but the chainsaw is for him a much much better ball, it gets length and has plenty of backend movement something he doesnt see on the libby

guy 3 is a power player, 17 mph 400 revs  libby for him just lays off, no matter the surface, ball is money on a fresh shot, but a used up shot, has nothing left, the chainsaw for him comes back from virtually anywhere on med to med dry shots, one of his favorite balls

me personally, i have thrown several different urethane balls from just about everyone, IE gyros, hammers, columbia, and lane 1.  they all seem to have the same distinct roll, and same distinct movement on the back, the exception to this was th xxl from lane 1 (pearl urethane) it had great lenght and moved more like a weak resin ball  the biggest advantage i saw from any one ball was the hit of the buzzsaw, it seemed to me to take the corners out easier, but still had the look of holding off on the backend, fresh was pretty much the only place i could throw it, that and pba patterns where control was the name of the game

I much prefer the chainsaw to any of those urethane balls, except may be the XXL
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 02:09:27 PM »
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I much prefer the chainsaw to any of those urethane balls, except may be the XXL


. . . I was waiting for that
. . . I get both length and movement on my XXL
. . . I have a NIB one for back up
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 02:09:59 PM »
I haven't thrown the chainsaw, so I can't give you any input there. I own 2 Liberators and roll them about 80% of the time. I don't know if my experiences will translate for you because I am a right hand no thumber. First off, Before I owned the Liberator I had no 300 or 800's. In the year I have owned the ball I have 3 300 games and an 812 with the Liberator. As you can guess I'm a big fan.
I have one dull with a fairly strong pin position that I keep 2000 dull. That ball is money on freshly oiled and stripped lanes. I have another poished with a longer pin position that is great when I need to get deeper and swing the ball a little more because there is more dry.
I always throw one or the other unless there isn't a ton of free hook. On those rare times that I need more backend, I'll throw a resin instead.
If you need to control backend the Liberator is ideal. If you want long and strong but just less hook look elsewhere.
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2009, 11:56:36 PM »
Yup....and the LIB is a HUGE PITA to polish...did I say HUGE!

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yeah go with chainsaw, liberator is early and strong! take a look at the buddies vid, its a lefty vid
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 07:55:17 AM »
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Yup....and the LIB is a HUGE PITA to polish...did I say HUGE!


It takes a bit of work to polish up the Liberator, but it's doable and depending what you're looking for, could be worth the effort. I followed the following steps:

1) Take the cover up in grit with Abralon going through the steps of 1000, 2000, 4000.
2) Hit the cover with you're favorite polish/compound.

I wanted to experiment a bit, so my first polish was conservative -- 3M Rubbing Compound. With the 4K Abralon finish and the 3M, the Liberator definitely got through the heads a bit cleaner, and had a bit more pop on the backend. I wanted more push, so I then hit the cover with a light coat of Beans Secret Sauce. That gave me the additional push I was looking for.

Regardless of how you decide to polish, the trick with polishing the Liberator is to take the cover to 4K first. Trying to polish this Urethane cover OOB is a lot of work.

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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2009, 09:20:57 AM »
Now Steven, that was a great post.  


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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 02:47:36 PM »
Thanks Nic. BTW, I'm glad to hear you've recovered from your motorcycle injuries, and back to good bowling. Hope it all continues.

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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 02:58:58 PM »
My liberator did'nt really shine on the lane's until I put some of Bean's sause on it,now its a monster on dryer lanes
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Re: How much ball is the Liberator?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 04:55:40 PM »
I have gotten Liberators to mirrorize by hitting the surface with a higher grade paper or abralon.

Then putting it on the Cook Sphere with the Secret Sauce.

"MIRROR"

I have also done it on a spinner as it takes a little longer. Secret Sauce works the best..

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