Post by: DukeHarding on September 18, 2008, 09:01:29 AM
Anyone, roll one, what was your impression of the ball?
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Post by: novawagonmaster on September 18, 2008, 05:52:25 PM
It rolled over the fingers with two different drillings that I have had absolutely no trouble with on other balls. The bowtie (flare ring intersection) was way below where it should have been on both layouts. That ball was the biggest disappointment I had in all of the Lane #1 balls I owned. The Tsunami was a close second
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Post by: DukeHarding on September 18, 2008, 05:58:39 PM
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Mine was defective/mis-marked.
It rolled over the fingers with two different drillings that I have had absolutely no trouble with on other balls. The bowtie (flare ring intersection) was way below where it should have been on both layouts. That ball was the biggest disappointment I had in all of the Lane #1 balls I owned. The Tsunami was a close second
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Edited on 9/18/2008 5:52 PM
Jon,
Hopefully, my ball will be A-1+...
Haven't rolled a Lane 1 since a Silver Diamond, when they first came out.
I'm going up in weight 2#...couldn't stand leaving flush 5 pins.
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Post by: bowlingnut07 on September 18, 2008, 06:08:40 PM
ball rolls even and hits hard u will love it
and the tsunami a bad ball 2? that ball was great !!!!
Post by: zeusjr on September 18, 2008, 06:21:10 PM
A few months back Brunswick dumped all of Lane#1's stuff they had laying around, and allot of these balls had issues like Nova stated.
Personally the C+ is one of favorites and remains in my bag every week...
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Post by: novawagonmaster on September 18, 2008, 07:09:07 PM
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great ball. dont listen to the first guy.
ball rolls even and hits hard u will love it
and the tsunami a bad ball 2? that ball was great !!!!
There were bad batches of BOTH the C+ and the Tsunami. Ask Lane #1. They will be happy to tell you that it is true and it was Brunswick's fault
I stand by my statement. My C+ was mismarked, and my Tsunami had a coverstock issue. I fully understand that there were plenty of people who had both of these balls, had no issues with them, and call them two of their favorite balls (often first out of the bag). That's great...I'm happy they got their money's worth. I was not so lucky. I have owned all but a couple of Lane #1's products, and most of them performed to my expectations. My C+ and Tsunami were both defects.
Duke, I sincerely hope you got a good one!
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Post by: T-GOD on September 18, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
I sure hope you sent yours in for replacement..? If you still have it, I'm sure Lane #1 will take it back and swap you for something new. =:^D
Post by: novawagonmaster on September 18, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
Thanks for backing me up.
As for replacement, I sold the Tsunami before I heard about others having problems with them. I had another Tsunami that worked fine.
As for the C+, I drilled it up and noticed the unusual location of the bowtie. I contacted Lane #1, and they offered to replace the ball at no cost. Me, not wanting to be proven a fool over a bad layout, decided to plug and redrill with a completely different layout (and a higher pin position). To my dismay, the same problem existed, and the ball did not roll any better. I never did send the ball in. I had so many other balls to throw at the time that worked very well. I kept that ball for a few months, then gave it away.
Lane #1 customer service was always very good to me. I never had any issues getting questions answered, and they did replace a Cobalt Pearl that cracked on me.
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Post by: 3835 on September 18, 2008, 07:51:45 PM
Maybe you should apologize to Nova, as HE KNOWS what he is talking about and you are the one who has no clue. There was a few bad batches of balls made by Brunswick for Lane 1 as pins were filled in and 2nd fake pins were drilled into the ball by the old Brunswick plant. Heck, even BrunsNic admitted to this and had pics of Uraniums he drilled where the cores were way off. Some were cut in half to show there were 2 pins, the real one, and the fake one drilled into the ball after production. Why? Lots of short pins off the line, Lane 1 did not want short pins, one guy on the Brunswick line decided himself, with no direction from corporate, to drill a 2nd fake pin into the ball and drill out the first pin so there were less blems or less balls that had to be thrown away or whatever happens when they come off bad.
3835
Post by: bowlingnut07 on September 18, 2008, 08:01:26 PM
i was just saying ive had both with no issues.
and the c+ should be a great ball.
Post by: DukeHarding on September 18, 2008, 08:09:44 PM
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bowlingnut07
Maybe you should apologize to Nova, as HE KNOWS what he is talking about and you are the one who has no clue. There was a few bad batches of balls made by Brunswick for Lane 1 as pins were filled in and 2nd fake pins were drilled into the ball by the old Brunswick plant. Heck, even BrunsNic admitted to this and had pics of Uraniums he drilled where the cores were way off. Some were cut in half to show there were 2 pins, the real one, and the fake one drilled into the ball after production. Why? Lots of short pins off the line, Lane 1 did not want short pins, one guy on the Brunswick line decided himself, with no direction from corporate, to drill a 2nd fake pin into the ball and drill out the first pin so there were less blems or less balls that had to be thrown away or whatever happens when they come off bad.
3835
3835,
Now I'm a little concerned.
Beans told me his inventory sheet, had 0-1" & 1-2" pins listed.
He would sned the longest pin he had.
I hope these aren't 2nds.
I bought the ball for a great price ($119.00 shipped).
Hopefully, Lane 1 would warranty the ball, even though it was bought on-line.
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Post by: Strider on September 18, 2008, 09:44:58 PM
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Post by: 3835 on September 18, 2008, 09:57:35 PM
Duke,
Don't know if you could have abad one, however, I do know the problem was drilling out short pins and making them longer, such as 2-3 and 3-4 instead of what should have been a 0-1 or a short 1-2. If you ordered a short pin, I do not think you will have an issue as they redrilled the short stuff tomake longer pins, thus why when Nick drilled into the Uraniums he hit a different part of the ball than what was expected due to the fake pin.
3835
Post by: DukeHarding on September 18, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
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Duke,
Don't know if you could have abad one, however, I do know the problem was drilling out short pins and making them longer, such as 2-3 and 3-4 instead of what should have been a 0-1 or a short 1-2. If you ordered a short pin, I do not think you will have an issue as they redrilled the short stuff tomake longer pins, thus why when Nick drilled into the Uraniums he hit a different part of the ball than what was expected due to the fake pin.
3835,
Thanks...Now I understand better. If the pin is short (which isn't important to me), that isn't the problem....it's the false pin position.
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Post by: BeansProShop on September 18, 2008, 11:58:17 PM
Duke,
Ball will be shipped on Friday as it was packed tonight. 1-2" pin. I have drilled about 6 out of this batch with no problems. No worries...
Beans
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Post by: JessN16 on September 19, 2008, 03:08:59 AM
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Sorry for the hijack, but was was the defect with some of the Tsunami's? I like mine a bunch, but the cover was much weaker than what most people describe. I bought a new one as a back up some time ago (from Beans via eBay) and wonder if one or both might have an issue. Can you tell anything from the serial number? I'd hate to have one sitting around for several years, finally drill it up, and find out it's a dud.
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Post by: DukeHarding on September 19, 2008, 08:30:03 AM
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Well with the amount of balls I have drilled along with selling online. I think the problem lies with miss marked balls. Ball that were actually 1-2 pins were purposely marked as 3-4's. I have never hade the problems with any short pin balls. It was always the 3-4 pin balls that I had flare problems with. As T-God stated I sent all the balls back for replacement everytime. Richie even called me about the Solid Uraniums back then.
Duke,
Ball will be shipped on Friday as it was packed tonight. 1-2" pin. I have drilled about 6 out of this batch with no problems. No worries...
Beans
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Thomas,
Thanks...I wasn't worried, after reading the explanation by 3835.
Thanks for the quick shipping.
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Post by: bigsexyhammer on September 19, 2008, 10:09:05 AM
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Why? Lots of short pins off the line, Lane 1 did not want short pins, one guy on the Brunswick line decided himself, with no direction from corporate, to drill a 2nd fake pin into the ball and drill out the first pin so there were less blems or less balls that had to be thrown away or whatever happens when they come off bad.
3835
Being in manufacturing, I can assure you this was not the case. One guy on the line didn't make that decision... Brunswick management did. I would bet a lot of money on that.
When you produce massive amounts of a product that your customer doesn't want, and you yourself cant use... some heads are going to roll.
Oh BTW Duke, I have the C+. It's my only Buzzsaw. I practically have to stand in the next lane to get far enough left to use it... and I have no hand.
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Post by: DukeHarding on September 19, 2008, 10:27:00 AM
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Oh BTW Duke, I have the C+. It's my only Buzzsaw. I practically have to stand in the next lane to get far enough left to use it... and I have no hand.
I'm a lefty, 62-y-o, w/o much hand...more speed dominant.
It should be a good ball, for those occasions, I have to move inside 15, and swing out.
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Post by: AK47 on September 19, 2008, 10:58:07 AM
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Post by: Grayson on September 19, 2008, 11:37:06 AM
For me the ball is a med-oil ball... not for more
Same strenght on the midlane as my Machine but more about backend so just a tad stronger but not for oil as the layout is not for oil... sadly...
Why am I stressing that it is not for oil... cause it was promoted as this... and BigB screwed up the thing from what I heard
For me the ball is all or nothing... when it works it is unstoppable
whe it does not... I find it hard to make it work for me.
I need to adjust the cover. now I have it at a nice 600dull... but will try it with some nice polish... SeCReT SauCe
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Post by: 3835 on September 19, 2008, 08:19:19 PM
While you may have manufacturing experience, I have bowling industry knowledge, and I can tell you without a doubt Brunswick high ups lost their arse because of this, lost the Lane 1 account, and the decision was made by a supervisor to do this. I realize you may think Rico and Nick are prejudice and would not tell the real story, but even Nick stated a line boss made this decision on his own.
3835
Post by: bigsexyhammer on September 22, 2008, 10:06:35 AM
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bigsexyhammer
While you may have manufacturing experience, I have bowling industry knowledge, and I can tell you without a doubt Brunswick high ups lost their arse because of this, lost the Lane 1 account, and the decision was made by a supervisor to do this. I realize you may think Rico and Nick are prejudice and would not tell the real story, but even Nick stated a line boss made this decision on his own.
3835
No, no... I have no reason to doubt Rico or Nick... heck I had never even heard the story before now. I was just thinking about how hard this would be to pull off in my plant. Granted, with us (tires) peoples lives ride on our product... LITERALLY! With bowling balls, no lives at stake, just egos! LOL
Regardless, amazing story.
Man that guy's balls must have been as big as... well... Bowling Balls!! LOL!!!
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