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JessN16

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I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« on: June 11, 2009, 07:19:10 PM »
Given that I have a fairly neutral drill pattern on my Chainsaw, I'm going to try everything I can before I plug it (because I'll probably just sell it at that point). I need some help here.

This thing has been touchy from day one, either very good or very bad without a lot of in-between. So last night I knocked the polish off it and took it to 2000 Abralon. I figured if nothing else it would read earlier and be smoother and I could adjust from there.

Nope.

If anything, I killed it. Dead. It's about as strong as my XXXL now, except my Starburst actually flares more.

And I hate to ever blame a scoring issue on a ball, but I'm going to do it. After leaking oil in the last half of our third game tonight in draft scratch league, I basically had to go spare-spare-strike to close in the 9th, 10th and bonus frame. In the ninth, I put it down in the dry outside 5 and watched it come in weakly and leave the 2-5. Convert that with another ball, now I need 9/X in the 10th.

First shot in the 10th, I move a little further into the dry and almost leave the 2-8, but the 8 falls out at the last second. I convert. Now I need X, but I'll take a 9 to tie and salvage a half point, so I basically throw it in the same place, maybe just a tick less speed (a 10th of a mph, maybe) -- and the thing jumps left downlane like it had been shot and I leave a 4-6. Opponent steps up, goes XXX and beats me by one.

I'm getting about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch of flare out of this ball, tops. So I'm thinking a flare-increasing hole would be a good pick. I'll take suggestions on that.

I also need a suggestion for surface. I've got a full complement of Abralon, ScotchBrite, sandpaper, etc., along with several polishes.

Drill pattern is basically pin over ring, CG on the negative side of the midline in a line from the thumb to the middle finger. Basically label, I guess, which is usually a great drilling for me with Lane #1 stuff. Don't know ending statics as I have no scales at the house.

Jess

 

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 04:47:11 AM »
what i was led to believe is that the chainsaw was a small flaring ball,designed more for fried back ends or giving you more options with playing straighter hence the ends of diamond cut off........( guess work) probably wrong......with this in mind if you have a basic drill pattern you normally stick with then this should be pretty weak compared with all the other weapons of choice........i am able to play alot straighter and i have a short pin under ring with cg out on a 45 degree angle......i would first attack it in sequence with abralons from 1000 to 4000 polish no polish,,,but dont forget ,why you bought it,,,,,,,dry dry dry..........you may not see its benefits until you really need it...........good luck with it........i have rolled mine twice and after wasting 8 frames in practise,came out firing staying behind the ball straight down 5 board....seems to hold forever then moves in for the kill
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bowlerdawg

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 08:47:25 AM »
honestly Jess you have me stumped
I can't believe that the layout has that big of an influence on this ball, due to the much smaller core

I had a couple instances of my c'saw seeming erratic, but as I said before, I know it was user error i.e. too strong on release, and I got soft w/ the speed.

I will add that unless you are the iceman, under pressure, sometimes people get tight, and any little extra tension on release especially with a slower ball speed will cause your ball to roll differently, and often times not carry the rack.

I had lane damage on my c'saw last week in my track, and had it fixed.
Took the underlying grit to 4-5 hundred, and polished it back up. Not a mirror finish, more of a slight sheen, and the ball rolled as good as new, and the reaction was the same as OOB.

OOB this ball is sanded to a low grit w/ a higher polish to bring the grit up and take the sanding lines down.

most all the layouts I see on c'saws are either of a stacked variety or a cg out variety, and most are pin under bridge.

mine is probably the best ball in my bag, because I know exactly what it will do and what to expect from it 99 times out of 100
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JessN16

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 01:55:51 PM »
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what i was led to believe is that the chainsaw was a small flaring ball,designed more for fried back ends or giving you more options with playing straighter hence the ends of diamond cut off........( guess work) probably wrong......with this in mind if you have a basic drill pattern you normally stick with then this should be pretty weak compared with all the other weapons of choice........i am able to play alot straighter and i have a short pin under ring with cg out on a 45 degree angle......i would first attack it in sequence with abralons from 1000 to 4000 polish no polish,,,but dont forget ,why you bought it,,,,,,,dry dry dry..........you may not see its benefits until you really need it...........good luck with it........i have rolled mine twice and after wasting 8 frames in practise,came out firing staying behind the ball straight down 5 board....seems to hold forever then moves in for the kill
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pearl carbide
xxxl starburst
h20 buzzsaw
solid uranium
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uranium hrg
supernova solid
wanted single drill right hand blueberry 15 lb
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My problem with it right now is even though I did buy it for dry, I can't get a consistent reaction on dry. My XXXL is a million times more predictable.

If it was just doing one thing, I could live with that. But it's not doing the same thing twice from shot to shot. One second it's ignoring both dry and oil, the next shot it's reacting hard off the spot.

The one thing I can say for it is that it's got pretty good hold -- at least until I knocked the shine off it. The 4-6 I left in the 10th last night might as well have been thrown with an oil sponge. Unfortunately, taking the shine down didn't help it make a move in heavier oil.

It's a conundrum for sure.

Jess

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 02:06:47 PM »
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honestly Jess you have me stumped
I can't believe that the layout has that big of an influence on this ball, due to the much smaller core

I had a couple instances of my c'saw seeming erratic, but as I said before, I know it was user error i.e. too strong on release, and I got soft w/ the speed.

I will add that unless you are the iceman, under pressure, sometimes people get tight, and any little extra tension on release especially with a slower ball speed will cause your ball to roll differently, and often times not carry the rack.

I had lane damage on my c'saw last week in my track, and had it fixed.
Took the underlying grit to 4-5 hundred, and polished it back up. Not a mirror finish, more of a slight sheen, and the ball rolled as good as new, and the reaction was the same as OOB.

OOB this ball is sanded to a low grit w/ a higher polish to bring the grit up and take the sanding lines down.

most all the layouts I see on c'saws are either of a stacked variety or a cg out variety, and most are pin under bridge.

mine is probably the best ball in my bag, because I know exactly what it will do and what to expect from it 99 times out of 100
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In retrospect, I should have stacked it. I wanted to keep it fairly neutral because I didn't want it to do what other so-called "dry-lane balls" I've owned in the past have done: Drill it anywhere close to strong, and it's going sideways in the back whether you want it to or not.

When I first saw the picture of the core in this ball, there were some red flags that went up in my head but I chose not to listen. There isn't really much to the core in the Chainsaw. With the ends of the diamonds clipped, it's practically a circle. As a result, the differential numbers are low. Then add the tame coverstock to it and what you've got is something that rolls about like the old AMF "Magic Line" balls.

And that's fine if you're bowling on a completely -- and I mean completely -- scorched shot, such as the U.S. Open shot after two shifts. Guys who are hooking this ball a ton in box form obviously have hand enough to hook a glass marble if they wanted to.

If I could change anything about the ball, I'd beef up the core differential a little more somehow. If you choose this tame a coverstock, the core needs to create a little more flare.

I'm going to polish it a little bit and see what I get, but I can't keep counting on this thing in competition only to have it give me an unplayable reaction.

Jess

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 02:15:14 PM »
surface, surface, surface is all i can say
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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 02:49:54 PM »
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THIS IS A JOKE!!!

Did you check your static weights? Maybe you need to shave 123/133 oz off your bottom weight and 1203/1403 side weight? That should make to ball come ALIVE!!
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No way man, Jess obviously doesn't have the CG kicked out far enough.

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 03:11:18 PM »
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THIS IS A JOKE!!!

Did you check your static weights? Maybe you need to shave 123/133 oz off your bottom weight and 1203/1403 side weight? That should make to ball come ALIVE!!
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again, useless waste of stored data, get back in your hole
sometimes your just a dipsh!t, and it gets real old
go flog a sheep or something
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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 03:12:46 PM »
quote:
quote:
THIS IS A JOKE!!!

Did you check your static weights? Maybe you need to shave 123/133 oz off your bottom weight and 1203/1403 side weight? That should make to ball come ALIVE!!
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No way man, Jess obviously doesn't have the CG kicked out far enough.


what are you basing your generalized opinion upon ? oh enlightened one
do you have a chainsaw ?
I didn't think so
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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 03:20:16 PM »
I'm at a loss.

I've only thrown one set with my c'saw and it did exaclty what I got it for.

Pin under ring, cg out.  I actually used it on a fresh league shot and it was great.  The house I bowl at (wood lanes) seems like very light oil and dries up fast, more so durring the summer than it did in the winter.  So far the C'saw seems like its the perfect ball for my house shot.


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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 03:20:34 PM »
In BTM's Chainsaw review (February 2009), they said "It will also be difficult to control on wet dry conditions, which can be overcome with a touch of surface."

I've watched my friend struggle with his Chainsaw for the last month.  This is a guy who knocks 'em dead with his Bullet playing the same line.

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 03:27:47 PM »
jess , unfortunately the only way i think you can get am honest answer to this problem is to pm tgod or email chuck at lane 1 with a photo of the layout or better yet email beans . This way you can get constructive advice about your problem . Dont get me wrong , the joking and replies here are good and in good humour too . But if its serious answers you want without the name calling , that is the way to go . Me , i enjoy all the input , good or bad .  Relax everyone , i am not knocking anyone at all here , just my opinion , lol .
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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 03:40:06 PM »
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In BTM's Chainsaw review (February 2009), they said "It will also be difficult to control on wet dry conditions, which can be overcome with a touch of surface."

I've watched my friend struggle with his Chainsaw for the last month.  This is a guy who knocks 'em dead with his Bullet playing the same line.


I think operator error (or better yet, operator inability) is the leading cause of the problem here. Low-diff balls and me are usually not a great combination.

What works best for me is taking something made around 1992-1998 that was made for mediums back then (Ebonite Matrix Conquest, AMF Ultra/C Pearl, Hammer Nova Pearl, etc.) and drilling it neutral. In that way, you get a medium-to-high-diff core with a cover that, back then, was aggressive but nowadays is pretty tame.

Jess

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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 04:10:04 PM »
the only other thing to try is abraloning the surface to say 500 to try to get it to roll a little earlier . That worked for me with my bullit . 500 sanded then a little polish if needed . You are then taking it away from its intended use . But if you want to throw it on a regular basis then why not . Good luck . It sounds like you have a similar problem to what i had with bomb cores . The only difference probably is that i keep coming back for more pain over and over again lol
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Re: I think I just took the Chainsaw from bad to worse...
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 05:47:54 PM »
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Is this a Silver Diamond for sale?  Saw this on Craigslist, don't know anything about the ball.

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I have 5 bowling balls I don't use anymore, that im looking to sell. i would like $50 for each but willing to take the best offer on a couple. I have a Storm Big Hit, Buzzsaw, Turbo, and a couple beginner balls.

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