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Title: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: 302efi on April 21, 2008, 04:28:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HYGwaXrAok&feature=related

Can anyone verify this ?
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: jbruno6 on April 21, 2008, 12:32:19 PM
Was there a referee around?  Alot of double dribbling going uncalled.
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Mighty Buffalo on April 21, 2008, 12:37:06 PM
It would be hard to verify the lane conditions, but with the way he was lofting and double dribbling, not hitting the same spot over and over again I would doubt that it is a 39 ft sport shot.  Those balls hanging on the 1 board would have been in the gutter if it were, and that was a lot of room for error which doesn't exist on a sport shot.

The only way I would say it is a sport shot was that it was oiled, and then had 1 full set of league on it, and everyone was playing 15 or 20 out to about 5.  The the pair would have possibly been broken down enough to get the ball to have that much room for error.

Just my opinion though...
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: JMORRIS on April 21, 2008, 12:44:47 PM
The fact that it says it's a 5 to 5 sport shot, makes me believe BS.  Never seen a sport shot advertised as being flat from 5 to 5.  

Defeats the purpose of a flat shot, really.
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Joe Jr on April 21, 2008, 12:55:07 PM
Sport Shot? lol
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: novawagonmaster on April 21, 2008, 02:07:44 PM
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The fact that it says it's a 5 to 5 sport shot, makes me believe BS.  Never seen a sport shot advertised as being flat from 5 to 5.  

Defeats the purpose of a flat shot, really.


I did not watch the video, and I am not defending anyone. I just wanted to comment on the remarks above. If you have a 3:1 ratio (sport compliant), you could have 15 units from 5 to 5, and 5 units outside of 5. The ratio is the important factor in determining a legitimate pattern. Sport patterns are rarely completely flat...just alot flatter than a THS pattern!
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: JMORRIS on April 21, 2008, 02:11:32 PM
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I did not watch the video, and I am not defending anyone. I just wanted to comment on the remarks above. If you have a 3:1 ratio (sport compliant), you could have 15 units from 5 to 5, and 5 units outside of 5. The ratio is the important factor in determining a legitimate pattern. Sport patterns are rarely completely flat...just alot flatter than a THS pattern!



I agree with you.  Watch the video...Must be negative units outside of 5!  LOL!

Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Strider on April 21, 2008, 07:29:20 PM
Absolutely not.  The guy has three boards of area and they all have arrows on them.  Of course, according to some, those kind of revs are all that matter, so maybe he's able to make a hard shot look easy.  
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: BigKevyD1 on April 21, 2008, 09:16:46 PM
if that was a "flat" pattern no way he'd have the amount of area as he did in that video. Guy didnt come within 5 boards of the previous shot at the breakpoint. So my answer would be there is such thing as 39ft, pattern with 1:1 ratio but this would not be it
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: 302efi on April 21, 2008, 09:49:13 PM
...and to think of all people in THIS THREAD (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=195684&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5") are crying USBC make a sportshot the regular lane condition ..lol
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: strikealot on April 21, 2008, 09:50:03 PM
inverted your wrong...its the 2.0 oz of top wt that makes this madman strike so much....
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: 302efi on April 21, 2008, 09:51:46 PM
Pin under ring with CG kicked, correct ?
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: BigKevyD1 on April 21, 2008, 09:52:31 PM
actually not at all, me being for one that i am not "crying" about usbc to make a sport pattern a regular league condition. It would make it better in tournaments yes to show your actual abaility but in leagues would never work. Too many people wanna average 230 and not practice,thats what that comes down to
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: KennyRambo on April 21, 2008, 09:53:01 PM
If it's oiled 5 to 5, it's not flat.
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: abrown on April 21, 2008, 10:00:41 PM
on a flat pattern those gutter bumps wouldn't be bumps they would be simply channel balls. i don't care how many revs you got on a flat sport pattern getting that far out at halfway down the lane it ain't gonna come back. i doubt many pros could get that reaction from that far out.
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: icefiction on April 21, 2008, 10:15:43 PM
i thought sport shot mean 2:1 ratio, anyways it could be guardian surface is way high friction so i would be surprised if it plays like that on that surface, plus no lane machine touches the one board so with that much revs on a high friction surface it could happen, but who knows?
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: lsf_21 on April 21, 2008, 10:23:23 PM
ITS A LANE 1 BALL PEOPLE. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH A LANE 1 BALL!!!!!
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Strider on April 22, 2008, 07:08:25 AM
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...and to think of all people in THIS THREAD (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=195684&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5") are crying USBC make a sportshot the regular lane condition ..lol
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And what in the world does that have to do with anything???  This clown is obviously NOT throwing on a sport shot.  He can throw it anywhere from 10 to 2 and strike.  I think ONE person said that sport shots should be the norm, not the majority.  This is the problem that some of us have with house shots.  This guy isn't the least bit accurate with his line, release, launch angle, and probably speed or revs.  But because he flails it with revs, he probably has a handful of honor scores and averages 220.  Like many said, but few heard on the other post, nothing wrong with bowling on a THS if that's all you want.  Most people don't want to work every time they bowl.  Nothing wrong with a nice easy THS in general.  However, some of us want more, and it's nice that the powers that be are making it a little easier to find challenging shots for those that want them.
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: 302efi on April 22, 2008, 08:54:24 AM
Strider I think it has to do with alot in that topic !

This vid is being considered a Sportshot. People in the other thread are wanting this to be the normal shot to replace the THS.

Does this kinda shot really look any better then THS ???????
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Edited on 4/22/2008 8:54 AM
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Dan Belcher on April 22, 2008, 09:00:51 AM
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Does this kinda shot really look any better then THS ???????
No, it looks exactly like a THS.  Hmm...
Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Grayson on April 22, 2008, 09:04:37 AM
just a thought:

this is a promo vid
these are just strike shots... and we do not know how many washouts and brooklyns and gutters were shot between those

just a thought.

is it a sport shot... I cannot tell... I have never faced one

is it important?

and if... is it for you?
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: OddBalls on April 22, 2008, 02:36:14 PM
This is the house where all the lane 1 promo vids are shot..

That should tell you something..
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: Steven on April 22, 2008, 03:21:33 PM
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That should tell you something..


I'm not sure it says anything. Different surfaces, oil volumes, etc., can make huge difference in reaction.

Look at your own experiences. You bowl in at least one house where balls can violently hook at 20-25 feet in heavy oil. Now to most of us, that makes no sense at all. It actually sounds ridiculous on the surface. It just goes to show how reaction can vary due to any number of variables.
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: themachine300 on April 24, 2008, 09:45:58 PM
The comment about norm and the us open shot was ridiculous.  If you watched the freakin show, you would have seen if norm didn't hit 10 DOWNLANE it didn't strike.  He is that good.  Loschetter hit 8 and left the washout.  That is a sport shot.  A flat shot would never have that much recovery as this clown did.
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Title: Re: Is this really a 39ft flat sport shot ?
Post by: urbanshaft on April 24, 2008, 10:37:05 PM
u guys shouldnt call sandy a hack he avrgs 230+ in multiple leagues .