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Gazoo

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It the Diamond core or
« on: February 04, 2009, 01:05:40 PM »
The coverstocks that make the difference?
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 10:25:40 PM »
core gives you the consistant roll characteristics, IN MY OPINION......

someone stated just the other day that he did not like the cores because they were too SIMPLE....??? huh?
I would think that you would want simple for obvious reasons.
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 10:38:26 PM »
Well, it's pretty easy to test in Lane #1's case...

Buy whatever Brunswick/Columbia/900Global ball has the same coverstock, then get a Lane #1 ball and test side by side. Throw whatever matches up to your game better.

Core/coverstock combo is a big deal. Coverstock plays the most decisive role, IMO, due to friction, but the core is more important than some people want to believe. Otherwise, you could put a French poodle inside the ball as long as it had Activator or SuperFlex around it and get similar results.

Lane #1's Diamond cores seem to promote a heavy midlane roll characteristic that I like very much. But I don't seem to match up very well with their Bomb cores at all.

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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 10:53:35 PM »
Both are equally important....the core provides the dynamics to get the ball to change direction while the coverstock provides the traction to make it happen.

Pretty simple analogy....racing.

Which is more important? Big horsepower or grippy tires? Truth is you need both.
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 10:46:35 AM »
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Both are equally important....the core provides the dynamics to get the ball to change direction while the coverstock provides the traction to make it happen.

Pretty simple analogy....racing.

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Doug,

While I dont doubt the core dynamics play an important part of the motion of the ball, the cover has to have the most influence of the balls reaction simply because it's in direct contact with the lane surface.

You can use a reactive resin ball with a simple pancake core and have great results with it even on todays lane surfaces.

A plastic ball with a dynamic core in it is still a plastic ball and will react like one.



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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 11:31:18 AM »
I'll bowl you with a XXXL and you use a white dot...

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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 11:34:33 AM »
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A plastic ball with a dynamic core in it is still a plastic ball and will react like one.


Throw a Blue Dot and a XXXL side-by-side and confirm if you still stand by that assessment.

I have medium hand, and I can throw a XXXL up the THS outside dry boards and get the ball to the pocket. With my Blue Dot (same target/angle), I'm lucky to hit the 3 pin.

Is the plastic on the respective covers the reason, or is the core coming into play?
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 11:44:24 AM »
Lets take that same cover on the Rayzr and put a diamond in it.

Then lets compare?

It's apples and oranges..

Core matters..
Coverstock matters...

Some cores match up better with certain covers and certain covers match up better with other cores...

Compare a Big Deal(Sorry Frankie,The whole Deal line sucked,sorry I couldn't remember what Deal ball with the 2 month shelf life was),Big Blue and Black Widow...

All Gasmask cores...

Why did the Widow perform so much better?? Better Cover

Take all The Storm Accu-Tread balls... Why did some out perform others 2 to 1???
 Some had better cores...

It's an argument that can't be won by either side...

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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 12:03:30 PM »
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A plastic ball with a dynamic core in it is still a plastic ball and will react like one.


Throw a Blue Dot and a XXXL side-by-side and confirm if you still stand by that assessment.

I have medium hand, and I can throw a XXXL up the THS outside dry boards and get the ball to the pocket. With my Blue Dot (same target/angle), I'm lucky to hit the 3 pin.

Is the plastic on the respective covers the reason, or is the core coming into play?


Steven (oops),
I didn't say the core doesn't matter, what I said was the cover has a bigger influence on how it reacts on todays lane surfaces.

You can't sit there and tell me that the core is as important as the cover or surface prep when it come to reactions.

Yes, a plastic ball will move better with a dynamic core than one with a pancake core. But it's still a plastic ball and will behave like one.

If you have a medium THS and have a choice between a plastic ball with a dynamic core or a reactive resin ball with pancake core, which one are you going to use? The plastic one?? I don't think so..
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 12:06:09 PM »
It's like talking to a monkey!
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 12:09:35 PM »
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 12:19:57 PM »
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Yes, a plastic ball will move better with a dynamic core than one with a pancake core. But it's still a plastic ball and will behave like one.

 


Vince: No-one in their right mind would make an argument cover doesn't matter. If you don't have an appropriate cover and lane surface match, the core isn't going to help you much.

In the overall scheme of things, it's the combination of cover and core. In reality, most medium THS lane conditions we face can be attacked with equipment ranging from shiny pearl to duller reactive. You see that with range of balls on any given pair. The core/drill combo is what determines hook shape and is a large determining factor in how well you score.

Remember, you said earlier:

"A plastic ball with a dynamic core in it is still a plastic ball and will react like one."

I understand what you were trying to get at, but since it's a fact that plastic with a dynamic core does move better, it's not accurate to dismiss the difference.
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2009, 12:22:47 PM »
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Yes, a plastic ball will move better with a dynamic core than one with a pancake core. But it's still a plastic ball and will behave like one.

 


Vince: No-one in their right mind would make an argument cover doesn't matter. If you don't have an appropriate cover and lane surface match, the core isn't going to help you much.

In the overall scheme of things, it's the combination of cover and core. In reality, most medium THS lane conditions we face can be attacked with equipment ranging from shiny pearl to duller reactive. You see that with range of balls on any given pair. The core/drill combo is what determines hook shape and is a large determining factor in how well you score.

Remember, you said earlier:

"A plastic ball with a dynamic core in it is still a plastic ball and will react like one."

I understand what you were trying to get at, but since it's a fact that plastic with a dynamic core does move better, it's not accurate to dismiss the difference.


True dat..

But since you got what I was trying to get at, we are in agreement..

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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2009, 12:26:47 PM »
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Still raining where you're at?
 


LOL, yes. Ventura County is all wet. Seems to be the same north and south. I'm glad I didn't have to hoof it to Orange County today. Traffic was probably nasty.
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Re: It the Diamond core or
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 04:00:00 PM »
Well you state all plastic reacts the same and cant snap I beg to differ my xxxl will make a pronounced arc off the dry and my purple sumo will turn even harder when it comes off the oil.
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