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lefty50

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First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« on: April 13, 2008, 06:14:03 PM »
I was going to just sit back and not jump in, but since all the hype cost me $200 plus a lot of pain, I finally decided I just can't sit here and give the BustBomb a free pass.

This review is short and sweet. It is neither for the Lane 1 lovers nor the Lane 1 haters. Both are fringe groups whose opinion doesn't really matter.
This is for the normal guy, like myself, who heard all the build up and may be on the sidelines waiting to buy... Here's an honest review from my first Lane 1 purchase....

There is nothing special about this ball. Save your money. This ball is DOA 99% of the time. I believe I gave it an honest shot. I tried it in four houses plus Nationals, after a 2 week wait for the ball. I tried every possible option, 2 different drills, and every possible surface level from 600 to 4000.
It was at all times a purple marshmellow.
Look back through these threads and you'll even see where I tried to help people figure this thing out before drilling mine. Why oh why was I stupid enough to drill it up after hearing all the bad news? Like I said... no one's fault but my own. Caveat emptor, right?

For me, the BuzzBUST was a total waste of time and money. Another experiment gone bad. Props to the Lane 1 hype crew, you got me. I was tired of Big B and wanted to try something new. I did. I paid for it in more ways than one. So now, it'll go on Ebay this week.

There is, of course, no magic ball.

Funny thing though. After losing big time on the BustBomb, I talked myself into trying another new ball from another new company I've never thrown. Still had courage to try a new company I guess. But this time, I chose a ball based on percentage of positive reviews from average people not associated with the brand and stayed away from choosing balls where there was massive controversy. Wow, what a ball... OOB, it turns out to be what I expected from the BuzzBust. I'm headed to the Roto Grip forum now to give it the props it deserves. I need to give time to the positive as well as the negative.
Lane 1 lovers, write your garbage below this. It won't matter. I'm not going to be back on this forum, so will "regrettably" never see it.

I'm out.
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »
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Maybe I am doing things wrong....

Before I buy a ball, I go to the Manufacturers Website and read up on it.  I look at all the info on the ball including the drill sheets.  I may even take in a video or 2 of someone throwing the ball (if avail).  If I know anyone that has the ball I ask if they like it.   I then decide whether to buy the ball or not.

Once I have the ball and get it drilled with the pattern I want <--- (keyword here) I throw it and begin surface adjustments.  I have not plugged a ball in years.  If I don't like the reaction after surface adjustments I usually park the ball.  I am fortunate in the fact that I do not usually pay for equipment, my ball driller and I have the same span/finger/thumb.  I usually take the stuff he doesn't like.

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Ahh...
Keep in mind that if you took the same layout and put it in every single ball you buy. You would be able to see the differences in the balls reaction better. What we do is always pick a ball. Then pick a layout and howmany times have we seen a few balls in our arsenal look the same even thought the specs are totally different??

There are way too many variables to take into consideration..

Good Post!!

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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2008, 08:46:59 AM »
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Problem here Steven, he bought into the hype, paid a premium for the ball and was disappointed in the performance of the ball. Now he's expressed that disappointment in this forum. I'd hardly call that being a troll.
 


Yes, he expressed his disappointment under the guise of a so called review. I don't recall seeing a review at all in terms of what actually didn't work for him. I guess the reader is supposed to read between the lines to figure that out. Instead, this so called review was littered with illuminating decriptions such as 'BuzzBUST', 'BustBomb' and 'purple marshmellow'. Throw in a strategic sprinkling of 'Props to the Lane 1 hype crew', and there clearly an agenda here beyond a 'review'.


Since Lane#1 markets the ball as:
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Lane #1 inroduces a new force in the bowling industry that outhooks all others. The BuzzBOMB is packed with our all new double sided Dommsday Bomb2 core. This Doomsday double Bomb core generates double the torque, creating double the hook on the backend. Surrounding this nuclear power plant is our all new Sure-Grip solid reacive coverstock. This new formula grips the lane on the heaviest oil. You won't believe your eyes when you see this midlane Hook Monster explode with a Huge Backend. Hear the Buzz, see the Hook, watch your High Scores double with the BuzzBOMB!!!


If he didn't see that with 2 different drillings and multiple cover changes, I don't see a problem with a couple of play on words.


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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2008, 08:53:31 AM »
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Beans.  My Buzzbomb did not live up to the hype.  It is not a hook monster and I generate plenty of revs.  What it does do for me is make its steady move in heavy oil and then hold pocket like no other ball I have ever thrown.  As far as being a hook monster in oil, I have many balls that outhook it on heavy oil (such as the Storm Vertigo). It is a solid ball and I truley have no complaints, I just don't think it lived up to the hook monster hype.


My point exactly.

Steven -
Every ball company hypes it's balls to some extent. In the case of the Fury, the new Torsion core and the Octane cover SHOULD HAVE made a great hooking ball. But, for the most part, it didn't. Sales declined when the ball failed to produce the hype that was out there for the ball even though *some* bowlers had great success with it (answering Beans question here). For the most part, it was NOT a user friendly ball.

The same fate lay ahead for the Buzzbomb. *Some* bowlers will match up just great with the ball, most won't IF it turns out to be as drill sensitive as it's looking to be now.

The greatest bowling ball that any company can produce is the one that can appeal to the widest number of bowlers on the broadest of lane conditions. The Buzzbomb doesn't seem to be in that category..


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The only problem with the Fury is that Brunswick even says in their marketing:

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Coverstock
High Octane Coverstock is Brunswick's latest development in Solid Color Coverstock Technology. The Ultimate & Scorchin' Inferno balls were the humble predecessors to the new performance standard of FURY. More aggressive than Activator or ActivatorMAX, High Octane coverstock provides more traction in the oil and is better able to handle the combination of hard synthetic lane surfaces and the carrydown created by today's high-tech lane oils. FURY is the highest hook potential non-particle ball Brunswick has ever produced and is our best ever combination of high hook pontential, great mid-lane recovery combined with strong and continuous back-end reaction.

Core
The Torsion core is a new core shape concept that involves applying a computerized torsion or twisting process the high-tech shapes. Brunswick testing has shown that the Torsion core should quickly become known for its high hook potential, easy revving and powerful, but controllable breakpoints. Static pictures don't do the Torsion shape justice so we direct you to the Fury video @ BrunswickBowling.com to see the Torsion core in motion. The first Torsion core is a symmetric version that requires no unique drilling techniques. Brunswick has twisted the core on the inside of the ball so you can twist up more on the lanes.



I guess they can get a pass on that since they did say "should."

Seems that a lot of companies hype their newest releases.......strange!

I guess a company wouldn't sell a whole lot of balls if they came out and said "Here's our new ball.  It's really condition and drill specific.  It might not work for everybody, but some people will like it."
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2008, 09:25:11 AM »
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There's a ocean of difference between *should* and *will*..
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Couldn't agree more!  I don't understand how companies manage to release balls that have these issues.  I would think there are plenty of staffers, pro shops, and average joes that would jump at the chance to test the balls.  

Have them sign a confidentiality agreement, send them a test ball (or 2 or 3 - depending on how many different combinations of covers they are considering), and have them experiment and give their honest opinions.  Take a deposit to make sure the balls get returned if you are worried about somebody selling them.  Ebonite claims that they test releases in different evironments (different lanes, patterns, houses, etc) before they actually release a ball.

I know that my style doesn't match up with certain things, and I don't expect that every ball will be the best for me.  I've thrown a lot of balls and have never really had one that didn't hook.  Might not have been the best ball for me (my style, conditions, particular house), but have always been able to get something out of them.  Of course, I'm a lower average recreational bowler.


Side note:  I find it funny that Buddies and 123bowl.com have yet to correct the misspelling on the BuzzBOMB description!  "Lane #1 inroduces a new force..."
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2008, 09:26:42 AM »
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There's a ocean of difference between *should* and *will*..
 


Yes, it's the difference between understanding your product enough to say with some certainty what it can or can't do. It's an easy out to say *should*. You then have a built in excuse when things flop. In any case, I find it hillarious that after three years of intense R&D, the best Brunswick can do is say the Fury *should* perform a certain way. It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in their engineering ability.
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2008, 10:30:04 AM »
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Because, Steven, they know that it *will* not work for everyone, but it *should*. As opposed to L#1 lies that it *will* work for everyone.


For any product (bowling balls or otherwise), there is an implied advertising assumption that a product will work a certain way if used properly and with the prerequisite necessary ability.

An exercise machine 'will' work if you're healthy and operate the equipment according to instructions. A Porsche 'will' effectively operate at speeds in excess if 150 mph if the driver has the experience and training necessary.

Along these lines, in the context of this thread, the BuzzBomb 'will' work as advertised if the ball is used for it's intended purpose and used by a bowler who's at the level necessary to utilize the ball's potential.

All the independent proshop reviews I've been able to find say this is true. Beans has repeatedly documented his accomplishments at the regional (and otherwise) with the BuzzBomb. Many others here, including myself, have documented their successes with ball.

Yet with all this, we have lefty50, who has generated another 'dump on Lane#1' thread with an out of control rant that has little substance. If you look at his profile, he's a 200 average bowler severely limited by a bad knee. Additionally, he freely admits other limitations that make his 'opinions' suspect. He indicates he's never had any luck with pin above fingers, and that polished/pearls have typically been useless for him, skidding past the breakpoint. I'm sorry -- that doesn't inspire confidence in his ability to accurately evaluate any piece. The comment by lefty50 that closed the deal for me was the following he made in another thread:

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I hated the Resurgence and absolutely love the Cell. The difference in hitting power is unreal.
My $.02.


Anyone who can find serious fault with both the BuzzBomb and Resurgence has bigger bowling issues to fix.

Keep the criticisms is context.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2008, 10:56:14 AM »
Lefty DIDN'T like the BuzzBomb or the Resurgence but he sure did like the CELL! Seems like a LOT OF PEOPLE liked the Cell ..don't think Lefty can be TOO FAR OFF! The fact is there have been a number of people who found fault with the BuzzBomb .. perhaps there is something to their complaint.

I have the BuzzBomb and I'm sure if I say that I'm NOT THRILLED with it .. that you'll find out  I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BOUGHT THE BALL IN THE FIRST PLACE .. but if I tell you I'm thrilled with the LevRG/Solid LevRg; the Cell; the Code, the Super Nova .. you'll tell me I'm a BALL WHORE! I guess what ever suits your ego will make you happy.

I join the ranks of those who DON'T LIKE the BuzzBomb .. to the fact that I'd call it a REAL BOMB!  
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2008, 11:46:44 AM »
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In league last night .. as expected there was plenty of oil .. had my LevRG and a first try with the BuzzBomb.

Started with the BB and struck the 1st frame followed by a good hit leaving a converted one pin spare. Next .. in the pocket (unmake-able split). Fourth and fifth frame repeat frame 3. Put the ball away in the sixth frame and finished with 182. Second and third games were 220 and 224 .. looks like the BuzzBomb will sit on a shelf for a while!


So Joe, after throwing a total of 5 frames with your BuzzBomb, you've decide the ball should sit on the shelf for a while. On the other hand, most credible bowlers will throw many, many games on several different conditions before making any sweeping conclusions.

Yet you've had the final revelation on the BuzzBomb after five frames on one THS condition. Congratulations on your insights.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2008, 01:35:11 PM »
Thanks for your congratulations! Considering it was ideal conditions for the ball I did make that decision .. some people learn FAST and others are SLOW .. guess you fall in the SLOWER category! Thanks again for the congratulations!
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2008, 04:23:33 PM »
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Beans,

Can you tell me at what grit or how much polish you typcially put on the Fury? Mine is at 2000 abralon and there are times that I can see it wanting to make the turn and just doesn't do it.  My polished Ultimate Inferno hits harder which makes me wonder if I need more polish. It does have a strong drill on it and oob just hooked at my feet. I have a feeling you put a lot more revs on the ball than i do (tweener).  thanks.


When I was throwing my Fury I had it at 1000 Abralon and the Secret Sauce. The same combo I use on both my BuzzBOMBs. Check your statics. If you have a weight hole in the ball. The ball may be flaring to much. You can plug the weight hole and move it closer to your grip and that will help close the flare rings a little. This should help it in the backend as well.

Hope this helps.  beans
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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2008, 04:37:39 PM »
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I had it at 1000 Abralon and the Secret Sauce


Mine is at 1000 Ab + Rough Buff + the 'Sauce'

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Re: First Lane 1, last Lane 1, Bye bye BuzzBust
« Reply #72 on: April 18, 2008, 12:50:05 AM »
First off, lets stop the stupid back and forth stuff. The haters and lovers sound like they are married

As far as Lefty's review, thanks for the review

I don't agree with the review because I have had different success with my BuzzBomb.

My BuzzBomb is what it was advertised to do and that is to hook and hit in a flood. On a Medium THS, it is not the best ball to have (even polished - sry beans). My Dirty Bomb will out hook and out hit the Buzzbomb on this condition. But that is what the Dirty Bomb was designed for. However, get the BuzzBomb on a flatter sport shot and you cant convince me of a better ball to have in my hands PERIOD. The ball recovers nicely. It reads the midlane really well. It comes off the breakpoint really sharp and with a lot of power even when the high crankers cant get their stuff back to the hole. In comparison to the Dirty Bomb, well needless to say the Dirty Bomb makes a great ten pin ball on this shot.

I have noticed that there is some people that feel the need to bash Lane 1 every chance they get especially during their work breaks. Maybe some have reasons to do it, but I am pretty sure most are just out there trying to feel inferior. I would prefer these forums to be informative. Maybe some day........

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