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smer

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lane 1 and storm on pba
« on: April 04, 2009, 07:03:13 AM »
I read with great interest the discussion of why you do not see anybody throw lane 1 stuff on the pba. Except for the usual "lane 1 just sucks" posts,there were alot of good points on both sides. The main point that seemed to come out the most was that Storm "matches up" with the oil patterns this year and Lane 1 does not. So, a question? Is there anyone who throws Storm equipment only and is not matching up? Not to pick on Jeff Carter{who is a great bowler and seems to be a really nice guy} but he has struggled this year using only Storm stuff{won using a plastic Ebonite}. I do not know what every pro throws on tour. But I see Barnes[Columbia], WRW[Morich],Tommy Jones[Ebonite], Parker Bohn, Rash[both Brunswick]around the top of the points list. When Mallot was on tv every week it was the Cell that was awsome.I have not seen him in a couple of weeks now[and do not know where he has finished in last few tourn], so is the Cell now no good. If you throw only Storm and still bowl bad, are you a really bad bowler. So is it the ball or the bowler. Does throwing Storm make Wes Mallot a great bowler, or is Wes Mallot a great bowler who just happens to throw Storm equipement[for whatever reason]?
This may not be the right forum for this question, but it is the forum where the origional question about lane 1 and Storm on the pba started, thus the post here
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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2009, 03:15:48 PM »
Some manufacturers seem to match up better with certain bowlers, but make no mistake about it............Balls do not make the bowler, especially at the pro level!
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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 03:29:35 PM »
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I read with great interest the discussion of why you do not see anybody throw lane 1 stuff on the pba. Except for the usual "lane 1 just sucks" posts,there were alot of good points on both sides. The main point that seemed to come out the most was that Storm "matches up" with the oil patterns this year and Lane 1 does not. So, a question? Is there anyone who throws Storm equipment only and is not matching up? Not to pick on Jeff Carter{who is a great bowler and seems to be a really nice guy} but he has struggled this year using only Storm stuff{won using a plastic Ebonite}. I do not know what every pro throws on tour. But I see Barnes[Columbia], WRW[Morich],Tommy Jones[Ebonite], Parker Bohn, Rash[both Brunswick]around the top of the points list. When Mallot was on tv every week it was the Cell that was awsome.I have not seen him in a couple of weeks now[and do not know where he has finished in last few tourn], so is the Cell now no good. If you throw only Storm and still bowl bad, are you a really bad bowler. So is it the ball or the bowler. Does throwing Storm make Wes Mallot a great bowler, or is Wes Mallot a great bowler who just happens to throw Storm equipement[for whatever reason]?
This may not be the right forum for this question, but it is the forum where the origional question about lane 1 and Storm on the pba started, thus the post here




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So maybe it's a little thing called  MONEY.

Maybe Lane One can not afford to pay out the big bucks like an Ebonite or Storm.

And last time I checked,  the lanes on the PBA tour, were not wide enough to handle some Lane One balls.    OOPS

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2009, 03:44:25 PM »

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2009, 04:03:58 PM »
Bowler or the ball? One month everyone wants to know what i'm throwing.  The next month no one cares what i'm throwing.  The reason being the inconsistency of the Bowler and not the ball.  When my approach and release is sound, i can pick any one of my lane 1 balls and throw a 200 with ease on any house shot.  I can play any condition of a worn out house shot, over under, carry down, flying backends, and drier heads. can't throw any ball on these conditions, but know which ball to throw on said condition, this is where bringing 4-6 balls to the lanes come in handy for me.

However, when my timing is off... I've made the EU &Pink Raspberry look bad, both balls i have 300's with.  I leave corners can't throw a single Hambone!

That's why before i make changes to a ball that's not working, i make sure that it's not me.  Unfortunately, it's always ME that makes the balls look bad when it comes to the 40+ Buzzsaws that i own.  Unfortunately, i've seen alot of bowlers who can't see that it's them.

Have you ever seen an 70-80 year old man with a HIGH PERFORMANCE ball, lol!  I bet you didn't want to go buy that ball, cause he makes look bad (I love old people)

My point is i've seen more than one WHITE DOTS thrown by high rev players that have won many pots!  So i do believe that if WES, WRW, BARNES where throwing Lane #1 they would continue to be in the winners circle.  Bowlers makes Balls look good!

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2009, 04:17:42 PM »
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If you throw only Storm and still bowl bad, are you a really bad bowler.


It's not possible to throw only Storm and bowl bad.
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smer

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 07:51:29 PM »
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I kinda agree about the advertizing that lane 1 does. But is it any different than columbia remaking the same ball, slapping a new name on it and saying its the brand new big hooker on the block. Or any company saying "we took the old faithfull core, added a different density flip block to make it longer, which means a higher transfer of energy at the pin deck, resulting in better pin carry". They just do not say 20% better carry , but they suggest that their ball will carry better, thus higher ave. I do not see anyone going ape sh!t over that type of advertising, even though the difference in the core is so small it's laughable. Please do not think I am a Lane 1 fanatic. I have a combination of Ebonite Lane 1 and Storm equipment and each has it's place
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 10:58:36 PM »
I have to disagree with the pro going with what he "believes" will help him win, and I have an factual account (first hand mind you) to this.  I was at the bowling expo as a Lane 1 guest, and got to meet so many of the pros, one of which was someone I have admired, Walter Ray.  I was there when Richie was talking with him and his "agent" regarding him using Lane 1.  

Richie told him he would like to see him, a great bowler, using the what many consider the greatest equipment.  WR responded with, "what would they (Lane 1) be able to offer him, as if free equipment and other benefits were not enough.  Richie stated that while their monetary offer could not match other companies, the money he believe WR would bank in winnings would be more than with others.

I got a chance to speak with the agent, and I told him I was sad, as I would love to see what WR, whom I believed was one of the greatest bowlers, could do with what I believe to be the greatest equipment.  He replied with the comment that money has alot to do with it, to which I replied, "you mean greed."

So you see, he could have tried their offer, to at least see what their equipment would do for him, BUT it was MORE about what Lane 1 could PAY him.  He NEVER even found out if they would have matched up better than anyone else, so while there may be "some" pros who actually do that, more often than not it comes down to the number of zeros on a check.

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 01:23:09 AM »
I think everyone is missing the fact (or at least I have heard this somewhere)
that Lane #1's claims are for the typical house hack, 180-190 average bowler. Not saying the balls are not for pros to use but the guys that are going to see the most out of the "claims are going to be the everyday bowler....
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FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2009, 01:23:11 AM »
I think everyone is missing the fact (or at least I have heard this somewhere)
that Lane #1's claims are for the typical house hack, 180-190 average bowler. Not saying the balls are not for pros to use but the guys that are going to see the most out of the "claims are going to be the everyday bowler....
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FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

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Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!
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FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

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Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2009, 11:38:30 AM »
But MoRich is a small company too. And they can apparently afford to pay pros and sell their balls closer to mainstream prices. Why can't Lane #1 figure this out and do the same?
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smer

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2009, 02:17:23 PM »
I hope that lane 1 isn't going the "if it costs more it must be better" route. I have heard that was[is] the theory Elite uses, and it might cost them dearly[if true].
Where did Richie work before he started Lane 1? I know he was a wheel somewhere, can not remember where.
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smer

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2009, 02:17:52 PM »
I hope that lane 1 isn't going the "if it costs more it must be better" route. I have heard that was[is] the theory Elite uses, and it might cost them dearly[if true].
Where did Richie work before he started Lane 1? I know he was a wheel somewhere, can not remember where.
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holland1945

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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2009, 02:44:08 PM »
They are though, or at least they were. MANY people claimed the premium price was the "price of entry" to get the "superior" diamond core. That's when the disdain for the company and its fans began.
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Re: lane 1 and storm on pba
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2009, 03:06:53 PM »
Here's my 2 cents:

There's been a ton of discussion lately about how Lane #1 equipment doesn't match up to the pros. Common sense tells us this is not true. How many thousands of bowlers (league, amateur, pro, etc ...) use Lane #1 equipment? Is it possible that the 100+ or so guys competing at the national level ALL have different releases, rev rates, etc ... ? Not likely.

It all comes down to money. Larger companies like Brunswick and Ebonite produce less expensive equipment. Lane #1's products cost more. So during this week's US Open Mike Scroggins drilled 12 balls. I'm guessing the average price for Lane #1 equipment for pros is about $125 per ball or $1500 plus drilling. So he would have spent about $2000 for one tournament. When you include food, lodging, transportation, and expenses, Scroggins would have to make it to the top 15 to break even. How many guys make the top 24 every week?

Also, the other manufacturers have ball reps on tour authorized to give away equipment. My guess is Scroggins probably paid for five or six of the 12 balls he drilled.

The idea that pros match up to the equipment is just marketing. Remember the Plastic Ball tourney a few weeks ago? Scores were in the stratosphere with pancake blocks in polyester balls. Everybody threw the same ball with the same core.

It's all about the money! If Brunswick is guaranteeing you a paycheck every week, you throw Brunswick equipment.

Finally, I find it funny that so many people hate Lane #1 equipment and their advertising. They are a small company making a quality product. If you don't like it, don't buy any. Moreover, if Lane #1 is ignoring the PBA in favor of selling a ball to the 2.6 million league bowlers in the US, maybe they know their business better than we do. Outback Steakhouse doesn't have a 99¢ menu, but I don't hear anyone protesting.

Of course, you just can't argue with the Philistines ...

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