Author Topic: Lane 1 and the PBA (Read 8855 times)

Gixer · « **on:** March 30, 2009, 07:34:44 AM »

A thought occured to me while watching the PBA show yesterday. Why haven't I seen any Lane 1 stuff on TV? I've seen practically everything else even Elite but no Lane 1. I'm not trying to start anything here just curious thats all..

Reverendwaz · « **Reply #31 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:11:22 AM »

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Lane 1 stuff is never on TV because their equipment blows.

That's a very educated response to the topic. I'm by far not the best bowler in the area but I have had some very good runs with lane one equipment ( silver diamond, pearl cobalt, buzzbomb). Just like every other company they have their place just as well they have their time. Storm has been a force on the tour for many years and I don't see that changing anytime soon. As far as rg goes they are somewhat new to the show over the last 3 or 4 years. Ask this where is the lane masters and legends product ? The small time companies can not compete with the mammoths of the sport. But just saying their equipment sucks come on use your head.

Steven · « **Reply #32 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:48:08 AM »

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I still don't see your logic by saying that they would need to invest $1000's to change equipment. Where are you getting that? You buy A ball, put your favorite drill on it and throw it during competition, you like it so you buy another one with a different drill and surface. You don't need an 8 - 10 arsenal UNLESS you feel that this company gives your game the best chance of winning and matches your game.

What am I not seeing here??

If you're talking about just a few Lane#1 balls to supplement what you're generally using, then maybe it's not that big of an investment.

However, that's not the behavior I generally see. The up-and-coming Regional guys who have ball contracts use only the line they're tied to (btw, a contractual requirement). More important, going outside the 'majors' umbrella is not part of their mentality. They came up through the ranks with free or reduced price equipment, and that's their thought process. I bowl scratch leagues with many of these guys in the West Region, and they look at my Lane#1 equipment with curiosity -- but they're not curious enough to go through the effort to try it out. Many have Holland/THB's mentality -- if you have to pay good money for it, it's not worth the effort.

Unless I'm missing something, I don't believe the majority go through the trial-and-error process you've suggested.

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #33 on:** April 01, 2009, 12:37:43 PM »

Fun reading .. even if I don't see STEVEN'S comments .. perhaps that's to my advantage!

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tekneek · « **Reply #34 on:** April 01, 2009, 12:58:05 PM »

Joe, care for a Heinken and some peanuts, going to the "frig" to retrieve another green bottle??
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Charles · « **Reply #35 on:** April 01, 2009, 01:26:46 PM »

Danny Wiseman WAS throwing Morich. He still likes some of their stuff. Having talked with a few former exempts (Rick Lawrence, CJ, and other here in Dallas area), it is not hard to get your hands on something if you want to try it. Lane #1 just has not ever really gotten good reviews from most that I ever talked to in a personal conversation. Of course on tour, you will get the standard answer that doesn't down the company like "They make some decent equipment." or something along those lines. but in a different venue, the bigger companies always win out due to more capital for research and development and better quality control. Just my $.02 which isn't worth $.02!

JOE FALCO · « **Reply #36 on:** April 01, 2009, 02:22:31 PM »

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If you do it again, all bets are off regarding me mentioning you in posts. I'll feel free to publicly make you an example of some of the major things wrong with bowling.

Fellow bowlers .. without trying to distract from this subject ( I currently own 8 Lane 1 balls) I'd like to know .. if you received the above message from someone who doesn't know you .. would you consider it a THREAT?
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JOE FALCO · « **Reply #37 on:** April 01, 2009, 02:57:29 PM »

Thanks for your thoughts .. sounded to me like a HITLER syndrome!
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Steven · « **Reply #38 on:** April 01, 2009, 03:08:07 PM »

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So, why don't they?

Because, Steven, it doesn't give them, for whatever reason, the look or reaction that they want, like or feel comfortable with. End of story. If they did preform the acclaimed miracles boasted by Richie and the rest of the lane#1 crowd, then every pro would use them, no??

Inverted: I don't know for sure. I pointed out valid cost/logistics reasons why it doesn't seem to happen at lower PBA levels. If you're certain the majority of 'free agent' touring players take the time to try Lane#1 out and decided it's not for them, then so be it. It would be helpful if you could point to specific players/instances where this has happened. Otherwise, I guessing it's wishful speculation on your part.

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Elite even has two PBA titles and they are an extremely small market co. In fact, I think that they make lane#1 ads look honest when compared to them.

You know exactly what happened here. They paid Robert Smith (what I'm assuming is big money) to throw their product. The same way Morich throws big money at WRW to throw their product. You don't know the same results would be achieved with Lane#1, and neither do I.

This is all very interesting, but frankly it has nothing to do with the success or failure that you and I experience in our own hack worlds.

I've personally had my best success with Lane#1. I know that's a pimple on the azz of bowling in the greater scheme of things, but still more than 90% of what most amateurs accomplish. I'm satisfied with that.

Steven · « **Reply #39 on:** April 01, 2009, 04:41:11 PM »

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It's not wishful speculation, it's logical. You're telling me that you're not going to use whatever you think/believe is going to give you an edge? Isn't that the reason that you use Lane#1 balls?

Inverted: As much as I like Lane#1, if I have free (or almost free) equipment at my disposal, that's what I'm going to use. There is a lot of good equipment out there. If I had the talent for the tour, and with the help of a rep, I'm sure I could put together a competitive arsenal with almost any brand.

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No matter how anyone dances with this, the plain fact is you don't see them on the national tour that often. Why? One assumes that, at the national level with the skill sets the bowlers have, it's not going to give them any type of edge to use them.

Given that we basically see the same players week after week, and that most are locked up by Storm, Roto Grip, and Columbia, I'm not sure what we see tells us anything. BTW, I'm also not seeing Ebonite, Hammer, or Brunswick. Does that mean these are hack brands? Don't think so. You like to use logic, so maybe look at the players instead of balls. Mallott was successful with Columbia then Roto. Previously, Duke ripped them up with AMF, but now it's Storm. The guys with real talent will score with anything, so it's really a matter of which company is the highest bidder.

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Didn't they have Rudy Rev's out on tour with his $50,000 hummer and an endless supply of lane#1 balls? How did he do? Right....

Again, focus on the player. Do you think Rudy would have faired any different with Storm?

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As far as Elite goes, your excuse that they paid him a shtload of money to use it? It doesn't work. They may have paid him money to throw the ball along with Norm Duke, but the ball still has to work for them and it did.

LOL. Again, focus on the player. If you don't believe he'd score with any brand, then it's time to put down the joint. Several years ago when he was SoCal based, Robert bowled in our local scratch league when he wasn't on tour. One summer, just for the challenge, he threw a Storm plastic basketball. He finished at about 240.

I appreciate your crusade, but in this case, I think my logic beats up your logic.

Everything that happens in the PBA is driven by the dollar, and the smaller companies (for the most part) are not in the equation.

holland1945 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 01, 2009, 05:21:57 PM »

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Ok, ...so why is this just a Lane 1 argument, because it's on the forum?

You can discuss this with ANY smaller company and get the same results....Lane1 just so happens to have a cult following

And, NO, I'm not a Lane1 basher...just pointing out the obvious.

p.s. I've never seen so much converstation about a ball company than Lane1. You bring their stuff up and BOOM....the thread goes nuts!
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holland1945 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 01, 2009, 05:31:17 PM »

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I appreciate your crusade, but in this case, I think my logic beats up your logic. Everything that happens in the PBA is driven by the dollar, and the smaller companies (for the most part) are not in the equation.

So why doesn't Lane #1 do as other companies have done and throw a bunch of money at a good pro (i.e. not Rudy Revs)?

They charge more per ball, and for what?

1. Minimal R&D costs - 900 Global covers and the same basic core for a decade
2. Marketing - no staffers, no TV

Brunswick and Ebonite do benefit from the economies of scale it's true, but only so much. How do they charge LESS per ball while having pro staff, regional sales reps, way more marketing, and much more R&D?

The only thing Lane #1 has when taking the ball itself out of the equation is a better product return policy (that Elite has even better, not that anyone would want to throw them) and, I'm judging from anecdotal evidence, better customer service. I don't think that makes up the difference + more in the areas where they fall short.
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Steven · « **Reply #42 on:** April 01, 2009, 06:05:54 PM »

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No, you don't see them because, for whatever reason, they are NOT matching up with the lane conditions you're seeing out there now. Not hack companies or bowlers, just not a match up that going to produce a WIN (not scores) which is my point!!!.....................

Barnes is sticking with columbia and I'd be willing to bet you that if he wasn't under contract, he'd throw Storm right now because the ball is getting results in a lot of bowlers hands, not just one, but quite a few.

Dude..please..you're really backing yourself up with nothing..

Inverted: Keep your cool. Don't pull a CRD on me.

Your back to phrases like 'for whatever reason' and 'I'm willing to bet you' instead of dealing in hard cold facts. You don't have all the information, and neither do I. We both have day jobs where we have to earn an honest living and we're reduced to speculating about this stuff.

If it makes you feel better to believe Lane#1 is not on TV because they don't match up, then have at it. In reality, there could be some truth to it, but nothing you've offered is much above pure speculation.

This really isn't a hot button for me, because it has no relevance to my own bowling. If you can figure out the final answer that drips some truth, I'm all ears.

idriveahonda · « **Reply #43 on:** April 01, 2009, 11:13:06 PM »

I'll put a little bit of my input in.

I own the following:
Buzzbomb
Supernova
Enriched Uranium
Cobalt Pearl x2
Cobalt Solid
Nebula
THS x2

Here is my input:
- I do not match up with the Buzzbomb...marshmellow
- My Supernova is the biggest dud I've ever seen
- Enriched Uranium is the strongest ball I have...and is quite reliable on a heavy house shot
- The Cobalt Pearl is probably the ONLY ball I really enjoy. I had a 1'' pinned, lots of TW (within regulation) one, and I wish it didn't get screwed up
- Not a fan of the Solid model
- Nebula is okay on FRESH
- THS stacked w/ polish is great, THS label @2000...not so hot

I know you will all ask...Why so many Lane#1 balls if you suck with all of them? I actually just took the game semi-seriously, and am making "repetitive" swings with the balls whereas before I was everywhere (push, pull, grip, loose, rev, flat hand).

Almost every one (yes, every one) has the EXACT same reaction. VERY rolly. I have tried soooooooooooooo many layouts to get a ball to go downlane and then get a hard turn...doesn't happen. EVERY ball picks up an early roll, and are very speed sensitive.

Needless to say, I'm now starting to open up my arms to some other stuff. I think I'm going to start off with a Hot Sauce or Cell Pearl...and then go from there.

And that is from someone who is not biased toward any company.

JessN16 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 02, 2009, 12:43:05 AM »

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I'll put a little bit of my input in.

I own the following:
Buzzbomb
Supernova
Enriched Uranium
Cobalt Pearl x2
Cobalt Solid
Nebula
THS x2

Here is my input:
- I do not match up with the Buzzbomb...marshmellow
- My Supernova is the biggest dud I've ever seen
- Enriched Uranium is the strongest ball I have...and is quite reliable on a heavy house shot
- The Cobalt Pearl is probably the ONLY ball I really enjoy. I had a 1'' pinned, lots of TW (within regulation) one, and I wish it didn't get screwed up
- Not a fan of the Solid model
- Nebula is okay on FRESH
- THS stacked w/ polish is great, THS label @2000...not so hot

I know you will all ask...Why so many Lane#1 balls if you suck with all of them? I actually just took the game semi-seriously, and am making "repetitive" swings with the balls whereas before I was everywhere (push, pull, grip, loose, rev, flat hand).

Almost every one (yes, every one) has the EXACT same reaction. VERY rolly. I have tried soooooooooooooo many layouts to get a ball to go downlane and then get a hard turn...doesn't happen. EVERY ball picks up an early roll, and are very speed sensitive.

Needless to say, I'm now starting to open up my arms to some other stuff. I think I'm going to start off with a Hot Sauce or Cell Pearl...and then go from there.

And that is from someone who is not biased toward any company.

If you want angular in the backend, and if you ever buy another Lane #1 ball, try a Supernova XP. I didn't think this company could make an angular ball until that.

Of the 12 or so Lane #1 balls I have (and 59 overall currently drilled to fit me), the three most angular I have are a Storm Dark Thunder Pearl, Storm Xtacy Domination (an overseas ball) and the XP. The XP has just a boring ol' label drill on it, but I did take it to 2000 plus polish.

It's almost angular enough to be uncontrollable if the backends are hot. It's the most unique of all the Lane #1s I have.

Jess

bestbudzs24 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 02, 2009, 02:16:56 AM »

ok after reading all the posts here on this topic. i will chime in with my 2 cents.the original question was about pros using lane #1 balls. its seems we all have are opinions as to why lane #1 isnt on tv(some are valid opinions while others are just ridiculous).its a fair estimate that at least 90% of us on this site are NOT pros and Never will be so who really gives a crap if the pros are using lane #1 or not.most of us here couldnt hit the same mark for an entire game anyways.i mean really if you are buying a ball based on what it does in a pros hand than you are not really being honest in you choice of purchase. it is almost guaranteed that it will not react like the pro you saw throwing it.so my logic is the loyal saw throwers will base their purchase more around research and what it does in the average bowlers hand cause there is no other way cause no pros are throwing it.and to the person(s) who said all lane #1 stuff basicly rolls the same and are more rolly. cmon put the dam crack pipe down for just a minute.lane #1 makes equipment that covers all the shots while making some of the most angular equipment out there.pearl cherry c/2,enriched uranium,golden nugget,cherry bomb,colbalt bomb pearl,ect.ect. the list goes on and on.so before you go shooting your mouths off about lane #1 do some research,dont just throw the how come no pros throw there equipment card out there.
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