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Nicanor

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Lane 1 Arsenal
« on: December 28, 2005, 11:53:39 AM »
I wrote the same thing on the Ebonite website and its not meant to compare companies and I probably will inter mix the companies bowling balls but I just wanted some others advice.

My Lane 1 arsenal is:

Super Carbide Bomb
Super Carbide
Bomb Pearl
Enriched Uranium
XL
XXL
XXXL

I hope I can get some feedback.  Some of these bowling balls are outdated but still great equipment.



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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2005, 08:35:36 AM »
I hope to see some comments because I am not familiar with some of those bowling balls and I hope to fill some holes in my Lane 1 arsenal.  I have been leaving a ton of 10 pins with the XL but its probably me.


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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 08:49:49 AM »
Nicanor:

If you are leaving a ton of 10 pins, you just need a minor adjustment in your stance. My experience is that when I do leave 10th pin, my ball enters the 1-3 pocket (rh) light. My adjustment would be to stand 2-3 boards more to my right and hit the same target. See if it helps.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2005, 09:05:38 AM »
Thank you Roy (Noel).  I'll try that next week.


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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2005, 10:31:13 AM »
Nicanor:

Just watch out when you leave the 4 or 5 pin - which means you hit the pocket a little high. Adjust accordingly.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2005, 12:28:32 PM »
Nic, if you're leaving tons of 10's and you're using CG out drillings, go to pin out drillings. If you're using pin out drillings and leaving 10's, use CG out drillings. =:^D

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2005, 12:40:48 PM »
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Nic, if you're leaving tons of 10's and you're using CG out drillings, go to pin out drillings. If you're using pin out drillings and leaving 10's, use CG out drillings


not again...
someone get BrunsRicH!

dood, get a clue, watch this video...
CG Video
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2005, 12:48:57 PM »
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not again...
someone get BrunsRicH!

 


Pleaseeeeeee.....Don't start that crap again. It's been beat over and over and over and etc. again.

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2005, 12:55:10 PM »
im glad brunswick made the video, when someone says CG matters, i just slap the link on, and people can see the empirical proof.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2005, 01:38:04 PM »
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im glad brunswick made the video, when someone says CG matters, i just slap the link on, and people can see the empirical proof.


Mav: Brunswick reps here on the boards have also said repeatedly that the "CG Don't Matter" mantra applies to Brunswick equipment, and they don't speak for other manufacturers.

In this light, CG does matter on Lane#1 balls. If you don't believe that, you haven't thrown, or at least experimented with different layouts on Lane#1 balls.

You're in the wrong forum for trying to stir up the CG argument.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2005, 01:50:04 PM »
T-GOD,

Most of the drillings I have with regards to LAne 1 are pin near the ring finger, some up a little some down a little but the CG is usually kicked toward the VAL.  Almost between the thumb and VAL.  Is it possible that the ball is not retaining enough energy or going into a roll to early (burning up, rolling out, whatever the right discretion is)not saving enough energy to carry the 10 pin.  I have a couple of stacked leverage (thats the XL with pin about 3/4 inch above the finger line).

Is there a drilling that I can put on the Enriched Uranium that will help with this problem and I did read your post with the two recommendations with cg out and cg in the middle of the palm.

I don't know about Brunswick's opinion on CG and there are several pro shop operators that agree including Alvin Lou, but I think that Lane 1 has a different opinion noted on their website.  If CG doesn't matter then why doesn't USBC stop with the drilling restrictions/ side/top/and bottom weight restrictions?


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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2005, 02:05:14 PM »
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CG does matter on Lane#1 balls


its easy for you to say that.
prove to me that CG does matter.
center of gravity is the same regardless of company, brunswick pours lane #1 covers and punches the CG mark.
you can talk about personal experience and "this rolled different than that".
but you're not proving anything without empirical evidence.
and last time i checked brunswick has that evidence.
if you say you swing the CG out, and have an x-hole to cover the static weight rules, you're not taking into account the effect that the x-hole has on reaction, in comparison to a ball without the x-hole and same pin position.
there are many ways to argue this point, and with all the bullheads around here it will never be a resolved argument.
if you want to prove your point make a credible video and show that CG does matter, using 1 variable, CG.


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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2005, 02:25:40 PM »
Mav:

 
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its easy for you to say that.


Actually, it's not. It took time, experimentation and expense to create repeatable results and come to the "CG Matters" conclusion.

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center of gravity is the same regardless of company, brunswick pours lane #1 covers and punches the CG mark.


That's probably why Lane#1 provides explicit instructions for locating the CG, regardless of where the mark is on ball. It would seem silly to go through all that trouble if it doesn't matter. Or maybe it's because it does??

 
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you can talk about personal experience and "this rolled different than that". but you're not proving anything without empirical evidence. and last time i checked brunswick has that evidence.


Like many things in bowling, there isn't a substitute for personal experience. Maybe when you get the time and inclination, you might try the same. Besides, this is also Lane#1's belief as emphasized in their drilling instructions. Maybe they just inject CG to make things a little more challenging?? Naa. I don't think so.

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2005, 02:41:50 PM »
Nicanor, have you tried any 1:30 label drillings with lane one equipment? I have my enriched drilled that way & 10 pins don't seem to be a problem. I get decent length & a strong backend.
So, do you bowl at Parkway? I haven't seen Alvin in years.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2005, 03:13:22 PM »
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you can talk about personal experience and "this rolled different than that".
but you're not proving anything without empirical evidence.
and last time i checked brunswick has that evidence.
 


Mav, I don't intend on getting involved in this argument as I am not a specialist in that field, but as you say...."Brunswick has that evidence." Thats true, they do, but only on Brunswick balls. I'm not saying they don't, but to my knowledge, Brunswick has no evidence on the balls of other companies. That is what Steven is telling you and that is.....Only on Brunswick balls....Not Lane 1 balls. Or any other balls for that matter that I am aware of. I've watched the viedos as others have and they are all Brunswick balls so you need to prove your point the same as you asked Steven to do.



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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2005, 04:55:16 PM »
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It would seem silly to go through all that trouble if it doesn't matter. Or maybe it's because it does??


it does matter, CG is the superficial point to where the center of gravity of the ball is located on a plane between the surface and the center of the ball, thus, that same point is the heaviest point on the ball in comparison to the rest of the surface, we call it top weight.

the closer to the surface the center of gravity is, the higher the top weight.

the punch mark matters, because it eliminates the guess work/ machine work of finding where the heavy spot is on the ball, other wise without any CG measurement, it would be a pure guess to where the driller needs to take weight out of the ball to make it USBC static legal (drilling the finger holes or x-hole).

 
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Like many things in bowling, there isn't a substitute for personal experience


there is no substitute for a controlled experiment to determine the effect of variables on an outcome.
personal experience is often naive and biased.
there are many variables when it comes to bowling.
all of them except for 1 need to be controlled to get a respectable result.
correlations and inferences cannot substitute control and experimental variables.


 
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Maybe when you get the time and inclination, you might try the same.


im not making it personal here, and ill give you the benefit of the doubt of that not being a malicious comment.

but i will tell you using common sense and my education as a guide that 1 net ounce of top weight after drilling on the side of a rotating object that weights 255 times that amount has a very marginal effect on the trajectory of that object.

if you think CG differs from company to company, you're not only kidding yourself, you're also disregarding LAWS of physics.
cores are cores, just different shapes, same laws of rotational objects.

let me ask you something... if a ball had a 100% round core, perfectly centered in the ball, undrilled, where would the center of gravity be on the surface of the ball?

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