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Nicanor

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Lane 1 Arsenal
« on: December 28, 2005, 11:53:39 AM »
I wrote the same thing on the Ebonite website and its not meant to compare companies and I probably will inter mix the companies bowling balls but I just wanted some others advice.

My Lane 1 arsenal is:

Super Carbide Bomb
Super Carbide
Bomb Pearl
Enriched Uranium
XL
XXL
XXXL

I hope I can get some feedback.  Some of these bowling balls are outdated but still great equipment.



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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2005, 05:12:05 PM »
Sheesh megamav, at least I didn't hijack people's questions about their arsenals to aruge about the damned thing.....
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MegaMav

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2005, 05:28:17 PM »
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those balls they show in that video are far from the same every time


i agree with you, they do CHANGE, but that is because ThroBot throws over the exact same spot every time, tracking up the oil much more efficiently than us error prone humans, thus the ball looks different each time because there is less and less oil to hinder the ball reaction.
if you look at the graph corresponding to the video it shows the AVERAGED trajectories, there are negligible differences.

 
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at least I didn't hijack people's questions about their arsenals to argue about the damned thing.....


i think you can blame t-god of injecting ignorance and grandiose ideas into the conversation, forcing corrective action.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2005, 05:49:03 PM »
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but when cg is used to locate even a small mass bias, then the cg does matter for drilling purposes


well said i agree.
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a_ak57

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2005, 05:55:47 PM »
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see Andy, there is always some common ground to be found lol.  Thanks for the vote of somewhat agreement there MegaMav.
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But hasn't *everyone* said that mass bias > CG??

I still reserve to the theory that most people are inconsistant enough that debates between drilling a ball 4 x 4 rather than 4.5 x 4.5 doesn't matter as much as we make it out to be, but that's another can of worms.....
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2005, 06:04:21 PM »
But trigg, most of us are at a level where we're happy if we go an entire game or set without screwing up the release at least once.
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2005, 06:04:27 PM »
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Sheesh megamav, at least I didn't hijack people's questions about their arsenals to aruge about the damned thing.....


Andy: I've tried with you, and obviously failed -- my bad. However, please don't bring your baggage into the Lane#1 forum. You've probably never seen one, or much less have touched one or thrown one. You took to "CG don't matter" like a toddler takes to a shinny new rattle. That's all well and fine, but I'm not amused. Go play somewhere else where someone cares.

Mav: All I can tell you is that over the past two years, I've done experiments on several pairs of symmetric balls with identical specs; Ebonite Low-Flare Stingers, Columbia Pearl WOW's, and Lane#1 Cranberry's. All with 1.5" pins, 1:30 and 10:30 drills, respectively, in the grip, and no extra holes.

In all cases, the 1:30 drills produced noticeably extra length with more pop on the backends. And while I'm not a professional, I average in the 225-230 range, and get more than average revs on the ball, and can easily vary tilt for different roll. In other words, I understand roll and breakpoint over different conditions, so it's more than just what I want or 'think' I should see.

You can believe this or not. There is no video because I wasn't trying to prove anything to anyone but myself. I honestly had no preconceived notions. My only goal was to acquire better understanding of cause/effect drilling relationships.

So forgive me if I don't fall all over myself after viewing the results of the Brunswick video. I trust few things unless I verify them myself.
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a_ak57

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2005, 06:12:12 PM »
I'm very sorry Steven.  And you can count on it that I won't be buying Lane 1 anytime in the future...And even ask trigg (when we talked in the catbox) or lane1bowler, a tsunami was to be my next purchase after I had thrown the ball at a trade show and liked the reaction.  But I'm obviously too much of a child to handle anything regarding this company, so screw that.

It's now quite clear to me the "you're a bright but misguided kid" tone you took in the PM you sent me was indeed, a bunch of BS.  I can't help but laugh at your double-faced approach to life.  Hope you don't treat your family like that...
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2005, 06:20:28 PM »
Andy: So you verify that Lane#1 is not part of your bowling arsenal, yet you feel free to offer advice in the Lane#1 forum -- how perplexing.

In a gesture of good will I sent you a PM, and got no response until you decided to take a shot at me in this thread. And you have the gonads to call me two faced? Get real.

If you have something to add, be it real world advice on Lane#1 arsenals or drillings, or some real input to the CG issue, that's fine. But again, if your intent is to continue to be a pest, take it elsewhere.
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a_ak57

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2005, 06:23:36 PM »
What the heck are you talking about?  I took a shot at you AFTER you bashed me in here.  And I didn't "offer advice in the lane 1 forum without owning a lane 1 ball", I told megamav there was no need to hijack nicanor's topic to start up the debate.  I know you hate me but for crying out loud, come up with a LOGICAL reason to insult me.  You are just making yourself look as foolish as I did during the other arguments...
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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2005, 06:26:57 PM »
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 until you decided to take a shot at me in this thread


last time i checked, you were the one calling andy a child.
get over yourself steve-o, name calling and coercion is for 5 year olds.

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #41 on: December 30, 2005, 06:36:14 PM »
Mav-o: I'm sorry you didn't want address what we were talking about. I gave you some real world experiments I attempted for further discussions, and you choose to take a detour and delve into Andy's little world. Fine.


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MegaMav

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2005, 06:45:56 PM »
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I gave you some real world experiments  


what you stated wasnt an experiment.
give me some facts, results, baselines and control balls and we'll talk about what you've found, you're only making inferences and corrolations.
not results from a true experiment.

im done with this thread, its about to complete its 1st circle.
good day, and good layouts to all.
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a_ak57

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« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2005, 06:48:28 PM »
I just noticed your one post Steven.  How come you never before mentioned your actual testing?  I've reread the powderkeg threads, and I didn't see you list the specifics of it, only that you knew of the CG's significance out of personal experience.  How come you never told us the specifics of your experiment earlier?  It would have resolved a lot of headaches, since it appeared that you were just talking out of a hat.  The only mention you made of any kind of experiment was telling me to do one, in which you mentioned weightholes which threw the entire discussion off.  It's hard to refute someone who did an experiment as you described.  (EDIT:  Unless you are megamav of course )  The only counter-argument would be that it was merely a placebo effect, but that isn't likely.

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2005, 07:14:29 PM »
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I wrote the same thing on the Ebonite website and its not meant to compare companies and I probably will inter mix the companies bowling balls but I just wanted some others advice.

My Lane 1 arsenal is:

Super Carbide Bomb
Super Carbide
Bomb Pearl
Enriched Uranium
XL
XXL
XXXL

I hope I can get some feedback.  Some of these bowling balls are outdated but still great equipment.



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Steven

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Re: Lane 1 Arsenal
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2005, 07:25:07 PM »
Andy: After doing the Columbia WOW test a year or so ago, I did post a thread discussing what I experienced. Much of the feedback I received was similar to Mav-O's; not scientific enough, not adhering to specific testing guidelines, etc.

That's cool. I understand the doubt and the questions. I offer the tests I conducted for what they are worth, and if some people here choose not to believe, I get it. I'm not a physicist, and I don't claim to understand the the mathematical motions of cores. What I do understand are tests that yield predicable results. That's all I was trying to convey.

What I don't get is bowlers who won't try a personal test themselves, yet form an opinion based on a single video. Especially since there isn't absolute consensus among the different ball companies. The same thing goes for the the cover vs. core debate. I see endless debate based on what's been read and researched, but when you ask about specific personal tests, what you get back is the 'sound of silence'

Bowlers are an interesting breed.
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