Post by: bowlingmsy on May 28, 2008, 07:17:02 PM
ball that I can use on short 25 to 27 foot light oil
pattern. Drilling suggestions as well. Bowling stats
is in my profile. Thank you in advance.
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Post by: Grayson on May 29, 2008, 03:32:39 AM
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Post by: bowlingmsy on May 29, 2008, 03:50:56 AM
lay this pattern out, even in tournaments.
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Post by: Grayson on May 29, 2008, 05:32:38 AM
My H2O it too aggressive. but I am sure when you drill this ball smoother... not neccessarily weaker.... - It should work.
Another possibility from the current lineup could be the evo... but I have no clue. (sorry just seen the evo is discontinued...)
you need something that stores energy without taking off of the dry.
Is the pattern oily or more dry? and do you have a drier outside ( like THS) cause the the XXXL really could be a possibility then... though the ball doesn't like any oil at all imho
Other ideas?
c'mon guys ... chime in and give your knowledge!
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Post by: ibowled286 on May 29, 2008, 11:37:09 PM
Post by: BigWillyStyle on May 29, 2008, 11:51:31 PM
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to add to mm2004's post a urethane would be good to help carry down some oil. If you want lane one i'd go with a liberator, might still be a little strong, but I think it would even out the over under.
over/under on 25 ft. of oil? I was under the impression that over/under happens when a ball is having difficulty with its breakpoint due to oil in the same area. If someone's breakpoint is at 25 ft., then they should be shooting for a hook-set motion, in which case you wouldn't really run into over/under to begin with. I'm not trying to be rude, just trying to understand.
As for the original post, don't you own the XXL. And isn't it a Urethane? I would attempt to use it, and if that isn't working, then go with your XXXL or Crystal Diamond (Crystal might work a lot better if it has a bit of tracking on it, as it will hook up a bit more in the oil, giving it more power in the pocket)...just my thoughts.
Big Willy Style
PS...I have a Uranium Pearl that I got a control drilling on, and I feel that it would work wonders on what you're describing...just another idea for ya.
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Post by: JessN16 on May 30, 2008, 12:48:18 AM
The XXL or even the XL would be great picks, too, as would the original XXXL. The Starburst's cover is so slick that I wouldn't recommend it unless you can rev a boulder.
Jess
Post by: mrbowlingnut on May 30, 2008, 01:01:36 AM
Post by: bowlingmsy on May 30, 2008, 01:42:56 AM
a used XXL Buzzsaw, so haven't tried it out that much
on this pattern. This ball's a 15 pounder, and I normally
use a 16 pounder, so it's a bit light for me.
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Post by: Grayson on May 30, 2008, 05:50:53 AM
quote:
Thanks, for all the replies. Just recently acquired
a used XXL Buzzsaw, so haven't tried it out that much
on this pattern. This ball's a 15 pounder, and I normally
use a 16 pounder, so it's a bit light for me.
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even better.... will get down the lane a tad faster then I guess.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on May 31, 2008, 11:43:23 AM
I have a Tsunami drilled 2" pin to PAP and the mass bias under the thumb. This ball is extremely controllable on a short/ light shot. You do need to watch your feet and make sure you keep the angle right as you will get minimal help on the backend with a drilling as such.
The XXL you just picked up is VERY strong for a urethane ball...even if it is a pearl.
Just a question...is this shot laid down on wood or synthetics? That could make a huge difference.
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Post by: bowlingmsy on June 01, 2008, 09:15:48 AM
pearl resin on the current Lane #1 line will fit in?
The choices that have been suggested to me are the Liberator
and the new THS.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on June 01, 2008, 09:59:16 AM
Your best bet with the new stuff would be the 2 you have been suggested. Of course some surface prep is going to be needed as well as a good layout.
For the Liberator I'd start with a 1000 grit finish with some polish on top. If that's too much I'd go to 2000 grit and then polish. Still need more length? Go 4000. If the 4000 & polish is too long, hit the polished cover with the 4000 pad lightly just to take the shine off.
My experience with the THS is limited to my label drill but I can say that even on 3 day old lanes this ball performs well OOB.
Layout for teh average guy I'd say 5-1/2" pin to PAP with the CG somewhere near grip center. If you have a strong release, go the other way...pin near PAP and cg kicked back towards grip. Try to get a ball with specs to avoid a weighthole if you can.
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Post by: bowlingmsy on June 01, 2008, 10:08:36 AM
Have asked for one with 2 to 4 inch pin. I do have a strong
release. Which layout will be the best for each of
these, 2 - 3 inch pin and 3 - 4 inch pin? My PAP is
4 1/8 over and 1/2 inch down.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on June 01, 2008, 01:38:45 PM
Surface? go with the regimen I stated for the Liberator.
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Post by: golfnutFL on June 01, 2008, 11:50:03 PM
Now that's a job for a masochist!!quote:
Of balls you can actually find right now, a Liberator polished up would sound good to me. Personally, I think you can take a G-Force Evolution and kill that shot if your speed is good enough. That's one of the best balls for dry conditions that I've found.
The XXL or even the XL would be great picks, too, as would the original XXXL. The Starburst's cover is so slick that I wouldn't recommend it unless you can rev a boulder.
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Post by: JessN16 on June 02, 2008, 01:06:08 AM
On another note, there's a guy selling an inventory of 99 NIB Uranium HRGs on eBay for around $100 shipped. That would do the trick and I'm convinced an Evolution with a weak drill would, too.
Jess
Post by: Steven on June 09, 2008, 10:44:33 AM
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OMG!! Have you tried to polish the Liberator?? Now that's a job for a masochist!!
I had heard this, but polishing the Liberator is not that big of a deal.
First, take the cover up to 4000 grit abralon. I went 1000, 2000, then 4000. Then, hit it with a polish that meets your objectives. I didn't want to go overboard, so hit mine with 3M Finesse-It II Rubbing compound. The ball has very nice shine.
If I actually encounter a condition where this setup is still too aggressive, I'll hit it with a coat of Lane#1 (Bean's) Secret Sauce.
Anyway, don't be afraid to alter the Liberator cover. You can always readjust as needed.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 09, 2008, 11:04:24 AM
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I didn't want to go overboard, so hit mine with 3M Finesse-It II Rubbing compound.
Steven, that is all I have used for polish of any kind for several years until a couple of years ago when I started using some Brunswick Factory Gloss on a couple of Lane 1 balls, but I still use the 3M Finesse-It II most of the time. Tried the Beans Polish and for my weaker hand and low revs and my style, it made my balls skate thru the break point regardless of what sanding grit or how light I polished them. From what I hear and read, it appears to be great stuff, but it doesn't seem to match up for my style.
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Post by: bowlingmsy on June 09, 2008, 11:15:09 AM
Starburst XXXL in this pattern. I had to bring
the surface down to 600 grit and polished it with
Ebonite Extended Polish. I'll see whether I can
use the new THS Buzzsaw on this condition, with
layout recommended by Doug Sterner.
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Post by: Steven on June 09, 2008, 11:16:41 AM
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Steven, that is all I have used for polish of any kind for several years until a couple of years ago when I started using some Brunswick Factory Gloss on a couple of Lane 1 balls, but I still use the 3M Finesse-It II most of the time.
Hey, Jim. You hit the nail on 3M Finesse-It II. It's a great all around polish/compound. I too now use it for most of my polishing needs.
As far as the Secret Sauce, I too have found you have to be careful how you use it. Too much, or not enough underlying grit, and the ball does tend to skate. I've found my best success with the Sauce when I've applied very little.
I referenced the Sauce on the Liberator because if 4000 grit and the Sauce doesn't get you through the toast, the lanes are really in bad shape. Luckily, I've only hit this a few times over the past few years.
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Post by: Roy Munson on June 09, 2008, 11:16:58 AM
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My suggestion is to find one of their weaker pearl resins or urethane and drill it pin axis or semi-pin axis.
. . . Single Drill ball was used 3 games max
. . . drilled semi-pin axis
. . . span is around 4 1/4 from cut-to-cut
. . . specs before the drill were: 15.26 lbs, 3.2 tw, 1-2" pin
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Post by: bowlingmsy on June 09, 2008, 11:22:14 AM
whether I do need another one or not. If it is in
16 pounds, I might buy it right away.
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Post by: Roy Munson on June 09, 2008, 11:24:18 AM
. . . it's 15lbs
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